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melm00se

(5,161 posts)
68. in some aspects yes.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:13 AM
Mar 2012

Where you and I (apparently) differ is that I look at the media landscape in its entirety and see how it has progressed over the last several decades.

Lets look at the media landscape from 1949 (inception of the Fairness Doctrine) to 2011 (the final end of the FD):

In 1949, as a consumer of information, your electronic sources of information was limited to AM band radio broadcasts and that was just about it. While TV and FM bands did exist, they had not come into their own as sources of information (that came much later). So at this point in time, the Fairness Doctrine made a certain amount of sense.

Less than a decade later, TV began to become a household staple. During the period ca 1950 - 1976(ish), the vast majority of Americans were limited to 3 stations (local ABC, NBC and CBS) and possibly a local PBS outlet. So, once again, the information consumer was still limited to a relatively small numbers of outlets and the Fairness Doctrine had a role to play.

(Before I continue, you will notice that I have omitted the FM band - I do this because the vast vast majority of FM stations provided music only formats due to the superior sound quality possible on the FM band. FM stations as news outlets is a relative new phenomena) .

Now, in 1976, a true electronic revolution began. In Atlanta, Ted Turner formed what would become a staple of TV today: the nationally broadcast TV superstation: TBS. TBS, as it was uploaded via satellite and made available to local cable companies brought non-local programming into local markets. TBS was followed up (from an entertainment POV) with numerous other "superstations" some of which survive in their original forms (WGN out of Chicago is one) but others have morphed rather dramatically.

Out of the 1st superstation came the next big advancement and that was CNN which in turn spawned numerous other news/information outlets.

So what does this all mean?

By the mid-1980s visionary folks began to see the writing on the wall: the electronic media landscape was going to change from a small limited number of outlets to a larger number of outlets providing a wide range of view points on innumerable topics. So the Fairness Doctrine began the march down the path of superfluousness. During this time period, the average consumer went from 12 stations or so to having access to 20-30 (thanks to the now ubiquitous cable box).

As we continue the march towards the current day, the 1980's visionaries were proven right but on a far larger scale than even their wildest imagination could come up with. Today, the consumer has potential access to several hundred (the dreaded cable box capabilities march onward) and I can't count how many news type outlets - the Fairness Doctrine continued to move further and further back in the closet of useless things.

the one thing that the 80's visionaries couldn't really imagine the explosive growth of an entirely new medium: the internet.

The internet brought something to the electronic media universe some that mere cable/satellite providers couldn't do. It brought the consumer:

1) Current and relevant print media sources from not only their small piece of the world but also from the world at large. In pre-internet days, you might have seen out of town newspapers but generally only their Sunday editions and then it might have been several days after the fact. Ditto for magazines. Don't even start on internationally produced/published sources.

2) Video sources. The internet brings far more video sources than any cable/internet provider could imagine bringing in and from far far more places.

3) Blogs/independent commentary. The internet gave voice to uncounted numbers of commentators and their analysis. Take DU as an example: in the pre-internet days could you imagine a 150,000 progressive voices meeting on a daily basis to discuss issues and share information?

4) the future. Who knows what the internet will bring 2-5-7-10 years from now. Today's internet is almost unrecognizable when compared to it's iteration from just 2 years ago.

All of these factors and the evolution of electronic media frontier does something that the Fairness Doctrine could (and did) never do: brought to your doorstep opinions from across the political and social spectrum on issues from the 4 corners of the globe.

While all of this was happening the Fairness Doctrine continued to diminish as a needed public policy and it was finally removed from the books as unneeded and unnecessary regulation.

Bringing back the Fairness Doctrine as it was would not really have the impact most folks think it would and it, in fact, could take a nasty unexpected turn.

Take FoxNews: they are a cable only outlet and thus exempt from a license threat by the FCC. As to Limbaugh: the Fairness Doctrine, as pointed out above, would not apply to him directly but rather to the stations that carry him. This would require approximately 600 individual actions, most of which (if not all) would be challenged in court delaying any enforcement of the rules and the USSC (where it would ultimately end up) has traditionally sided on the free speech side and if that case is successfully argued the enforcement action goes down in flames - - meanwhile Limbaugh would continue to blather on. There is also the distinct possibility that he moves off the OTA and ensconced himself on the internet which is no longer limited to a physical location with the advent of mobility devices (iHeart radio/Pandora/Live365 all come to mind - which all can be received on a smartphone or via the internet).

Now what about that nasty turn? It the fervor to ensure "fairness" Congress might very well reach to write the law/regulation to encompass not only OTA media outlets but also the internet. How could they do that? the FCC has some regulator control over telephone lines that make up the internet and a little prest-o-change-o, the FCC now can extend it's neo-Fairness Doctrine tendrils out on the web. Then the door is truly open - places like DU could be forced to allow for alternative viewpoints. Would you really want a bunch of freepers posting? it could happen

My final point is: if all you do is focus on this 1 small sliver of the electronic media pie of which talk radio is an even smaller slice of the pie (there are approximately 15000 radio stations in the USA but only 1861 are classified as "News/News-Talk or Talk" formats - that is less than the number of Country stations - source and Limbaugh is on 590 of those - 4% of the radio spectrum and then for what? 3 hours a day) you run the risk of looking petty and fall into the Republican trap/meme of trying the silence them and/or taking away their 1st amendment rights.

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yes diane in sf Mar 2012 #1
yes, I tried to register an online complaint last night Tumbulu Mar 2012 #2
I think it is time the FCC needs restructuring. Great Caesars Ghost Mar 2012 #3
I'm going to write my representative and Senators and suggest just that! shcrane71 Mar 2012 #7
I believe all broadcasting either through airwaves, digital, or satalite should be tiered regulated. Great Caesars Ghost Mar 2012 #63
You make perfect sense to me GCG. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #66
Regulation can take many forms onenote Mar 2012 #67
Thanks, didn't know about this. K & R. freshwest Mar 2012 #4
Let's get him off of AFN first and THEN worry about the FCC. HopeHoops Mar 2012 #5
Why not work on both? It would be difficult for AFN to justify keeping Rush's show if the FCC shcrane71 Mar 2012 #8
Good point. HopeHoops Mar 2012 #16
FCC is mandated to handle "obscene and indecent" EFerrari Mar 2012 #18
Yeah, the AFN thing is a stronger case from the perspective of disrespect for the CIC. HopeHoops Mar 2012 #19
There should be no place libtodeath Mar 2012 #6
Nice way to sneak in the Ron Paul advocacy. Welcome to DU!!! msanthrope Mar 2012 #9
My post says nothing about support for disbanding the FCC. I just want the FCC to work, shcrane71 Mar 2012 #10
Of course you want the FCC to work. Which is why you've used the latest meme..... msanthrope Mar 2012 #12
lol...wtf??? I have no idea where you're coming from, but have a good day (after you reread the OP) shcrane71 Mar 2012 #13
I am coming from the place where I question why-a low count poster might bring up the latest msanthrope Mar 2012 #14
Thanks for the vetting rather than responding to the post. Why not place me on your ignore list? shcrane71 Mar 2012 #15
The Janet Jackson FCC fine was thrown out in federal court DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #38
yes, of course! librechik Mar 2012 #11
Yes, of course it does. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #17
Certainly seems to describe the current situation. calimary Mar 2012 #20
No. onenote Mar 2012 #21
Yes. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #22
Still no. onenote Mar 2012 #23
Still Yes. You're stretching, and you're missing the point. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #26
How am I "stretching" by citing the applicable law? onenote Mar 2012 #28
So you're saying that it's NOT regulatory capture that the FCC is failing to enforce the shcrane71 Mar 2012 #30
The FCC isn't failing to "enforce" the FD. The FD doesn't exist anymore onenote Mar 2012 #34
If the Fairness Doctrine doesn't exist anymore, why did lawmakers try to get rid of it in 2011? shcrane71 Mar 2012 #36
The FCC declared the FD was no longer in force in 1987 . onenote Mar 2012 #42
The FCC Doesn't Regulate Content... KharmaTrain Mar 2012 #24
Rhandi Rhodes is a false equivalency. She wouldn't be if you could name a non-subscription station shcrane71 Mar 2012 #25
Interesting... KharmaTrain Mar 2012 #27
You're not entitled to your own facts. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #29
LPFM Wasn't Legal Til 2000... KharmaTrain Mar 2012 #31
K, I'll go back and tell the community stations that said they started out as LPFM shcrane71 Mar 2012 #32
Not The FCC's Mandate... KharmaTrain Mar 2012 #33
Under FCC legal definitions and regulations, Rush did no wrong. MadHound Mar 2012 #35
What is considered obscene is not static. Women vote. Women can be appointed to the FCC. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #37
Actually, what is considered obscene by the FCC is pretty static MadHound Mar 2012 #39
You're correct. It has been static, but these are unprecedented times, and precedents have been shcrane71 Mar 2012 #44
As I've shown, before you can enforce the FD you need to get it reinstated onenote Mar 2012 #46
You've not shown it until you provide a link to the news article. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #55
Here you go. onenote Mar 2012 #57
Thanks onesie. You have my apology. Did you see this: shcrane71 Mar 2012 #58
I have mixed feelings about bringing back the FD onenote Mar 2012 #59
The fairness doctrine need only cover public / non-subscription stations. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #62
These are unprecedented times, but not in the way you are thinking onenote Mar 2012 #52
It may not be static, but it is governed by what is in the Constitution. onenote Mar 2012 #43
If that is the definition, then yes imo. Rex Mar 2012 #40
This is one of those melm00se Mar 2012 #41
There are not many times that I long for the "good-ol' days" of the 50s or 60s, but shcrane71 Mar 2012 #45
can't enforce what is no longer on the books. melm00se Mar 2012 #47
It's still on the books. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #49
WRONG. onenote Mar 2012 #51
Link please. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #53
Here you go. onenote Mar 2012 #56
Not since August 2011 melm00se Mar 2012 #60
High time to bring it back, don't you agree? n/t shcrane71 Mar 2012 #61
its not a popular opinion here melm00se Mar 2012 #64
The Left has ceded a monopolization of public airwaves to the Right for decades, and we see shcrane71 Mar 2012 #65
in some aspects yes. melm00se Mar 2012 #68
Thanks for the long, meandering justification for the Left handing the public airwaves to the Right. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #69
you know melm00se Mar 2012 #70
huh??? AM radio carries jazz?? Where you from?!?! And, you're missing the point. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #71
I am near unionworks Mar 2012 #72
Oh, you lucky dawg... 1. It's beautiful up there. 2. Canadians are really nice aren't they??? shcrane71 Mar 2012 #73
If the thugs win unionworks Mar 2012 #74
Take me with you!!! I want to live amongst the Canadians and their good AM radio shcrane71 Mar 2012 #76
I will send you unionworks Mar 2012 #78
That would be great! Thank You! shcrane71 Mar 2012 #79
Well put,melm00se. onenote Mar 2012 #77
If ever Americans resolve the issue of regulatory capture (the FCC rolling over while giving the AM shcrane71 Mar 2012 #80
I think its prudent to be scared of undefined "regulation" of speech onenote Mar 2012 #81
I know you want to compare of very different media outlets, but those comparisons don't shcrane71 Mar 2012 #82
I'm not ducking the question: What will this "regulation" you are advocating entail? onenote Mar 2012 #83
LMAO You've ducked the OP question since this thread started. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #84
I've been practicing communications law for 35 years. You have a very flawed understanding onenote Mar 2012 #85
Duck, duck, duck... duck, duck, duck... shcrane71 Mar 2012 #86
You keep digging yourself in deeper don't you? onenote Mar 2012 #87
Reimposing the FD isn't going to be a panacea onenote Mar 2012 #48
Welcometo D.U. unionworks Mar 2012 #50
I really appreciate that. Thanks Unionworks! shcrane71 Mar 2012 #54
Thank you!!! Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #75
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