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el_bryanto

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30. none atheist?

Wed Dec 25, 2013, 07:38 PM

Dec 2013

Well first of all, atheists aren't organized the way Religions are - so determining on whether not an Atheists donates or supports a cause isn't as easy as you suggest it is.

Secondly, Wikipedia isn't necessarily the end-all and be-all of human knowledge, and in this case I think they are wrong; more over you are wrong in that you are suggesting that Atheism caused Nazisms murderous tendencies.

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Atheists, Work With Us for Peace, Pope Says on Christmas [View all] jsr Dec 2013 OP

Pretty sure it's not atheists that are the source of most world conflict... SidDithers Dec 2013 #1

Well, I'll give him one thing... Wounded Bear Dec 2013 #2

They are still a small minority. I'm sure they cause conflict pnwmom Dec 2013 #3

small but growing passiveporcupine Dec 2013 #119

Given that China and Russia were atheist forever, no one gets off. Everyone roguevalley Dec 2013 #6

Russia and China were atheist forever? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #36

State atheism SpartanDem Dec 2013 #40

and that was forever? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #46

"forever" clause aside, Marx's "opium of the people" quote deserves a second look 0rganism Dec 2013 #112

+100 demosincebirth Dec 2013 #56

Did they war in the name of atheism? Nevernose Dec 2013 #70

+ a million Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #8

do you really think the profiteers from the military industrial complex are actually "religious"? KittyWampus Dec 2013 #10

Yes , they just don't really believe in anything but $$$$$$ orpupilofnature57 Dec 2013 #51

Yes...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #91

So when you went and read the Popes message he was strictly lecturing atheists? el_bryanto Dec 2013 #15

Name any modern "catholic wars". Matariki Dec 2013 #19

how does that change whether they are religious, like the duck dynasty piece of shits , they JI7 Dec 2013 #26

If you follow the thread you'd be able to answer your own question Matariki Dec 2013 #29

i don't view being a corporate capitalist separate from being religious JI7 Dec 2013 #31

The purpose of modern wars is more or less profit - not to kill non-believers Matariki Dec 2013 #38

+1000 CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #53

You might put Franco in Spain in the category of a 'Catholic war' muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #131

What part of 'Let us all unite" do you find exclusive of Catholics? Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #75

Fault, it sounds like . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2013 #79

Ugly post. n/t Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #126

I find religion ugly...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #128

Maybe so 1awake Dec 2013 #133

Many of us have been for years. Years that the church has been dealing with hiding LuckyLib Dec 2013 #4

As an Atheist, I don't need Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #5

he is making a gesture toward everyone that has been missing from his roguevalley Dec 2013 #7

His "gesture" although probably well-meaning is condescending. Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #13

Yup "even" atheists HERVEPA Dec 2013 #103

The perpetually offended will be offended. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #127

Same here. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2013 #22

Maybe the church should lead by example before asking for my help. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #9

Dear pope, most atheists I know have always worked for World Peace�it is kind of our thing. Tikki Dec 2013 #11

There is nothing inherently anti-war about atheism CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #18

+1 Matariki Dec 2013 #21

There is nothing inherently pro-war about atheists either... Tikki Dec 2013 #23

Where has Sam Harris called for a preemptive nuclear strike on the Muslim world? MNBrewer Dec 2013 #39

It's in his book "The End of Faith" CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #41

So you lied when you said he called for a pre-emptive nuclear strike, then. MNBrewer Dec 2013 #43

Care to expound on that utterly nonsensical remark? CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #44

Even more on Sam Harris, this time in his OWN words MNBrewer Dec 2013 #45

Yes, I've read his backpedalling drivel. Got anything substantive? CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #48

I've always admired Hedges, but to find that he's slandering Harris is disturbing MNBrewer Dec 2013 #49

Chris Hedges was clearly exactly right cpwm17 Dec 2013 #65

Calling for something vs. positing it as a likely US response are not the same thing MNBrewer Dec 2013 #93

Sam Harris wrote it as a fantasy cpwm17 Dec 2013 #95

Baloney! There is a HUGE difference, even IF your characterization were true MNBrewer Dec 2013 #100

Sam Harris (and Hitchens, outspokenly) support for the neocon's aggressive war agenda cpwm17 Dec 2013 #114

Reading and comprehension are distinct things MNBrewer Dec 2013 #122

Actually I don't follow Harris much. MNBrewer Dec 2013 #50

most people don't know who those 2 are and they don't have much influence JI7 Dec 2013 #47

Bullshit. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #60

"Bullshit. Atheism is peaceful." rug Dec 2013 #63

Oh right. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #66

I must check to see how often Gandhi buttressed his callls for pacifism with "Bullshit!" rug Dec 2013 #68

Grow up. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #72

Wise up. rug Dec 2013 #89

Atheism is inherently anti-war Major Nikon Dec 2013 #81

+1 progressoid Dec 2013 #96

No it is not hack89 Dec 2013 #106

I spent 10 years in the military with atheist on my dog tags Major Nikon Dec 2013 #109

Sam Harris is a fraud and the defenders of his pseudo intellectualism LittleBlue Dec 2013 #120

I know many conservative atheists from my time in the Navy hack89 Dec 2013 #105

Me too... Tikki Dec 2013 #113

As an atheist, he should be asking Christians to desire peace. Vinca Dec 2013 #12

Shouldn't atheists being doing those things also? former9thward Dec 2013 #14

That's not historically accurate and pretty offensive el_bryanto Dec 2013 #16

How hard? former9thward Dec 2013 #28

none atheist? el_bryanto Dec 2013 #30

atheists don't have churches and other organized groups the way others do JI7 Dec 2013 #32

He was still working that religion thing�he saw himself as the ultimate authority... Tikki Dec 2013 #33

Nazis were religious. earthside Dec 2013 #34

You are stretching back into the Middle Ages? former9thward Dec 2013 #35

Some say the catholic church in the last 100 years targeted the even more venerable.. Tikki Dec 2013 #37

Seriously? earthside Dec 2013 #69

Those compare with the tens of millions killed by Stalin and Hitler and Mao and Pol Pot? former9thward Dec 2013 #82

Still, the totality ... earthside Dec 2013 #98

I guess you don't recall Mao and Stalin, both atheist. What the last number 2-3 million demosincebirth Dec 2013 #62

north korea worships the fucking dear leader who is supposed to be some higher power type JI7 Dec 2013 #74

They are still Atheist. demosincebirth Dec 2013 #124

and they still aren't killing non atheists in the name of atheism , it's mostly their own who are JI7 Dec 2013 #125

Dictators set themselves up as gods or godlike figures. nyquil_man Dec 2013 #118

Sorry, not valid nt demosincebirth Dec 2013 #123

I'm glad to see someone's making the best of the discussion board. nyquil_man Dec 2013 #130

Do we have a big gold A on our atheist uniform? Tikki Dec 2013 #20

also there have been a few cases where help from atheists was rejected JI7 Dec 2013 #24

Me, too... Tikki Dec 2013 #27

Wow - I'm astonished at your comment. Vinca Dec 2013 #76

Christian militias have killed tens of millions? former9thward Dec 2013 #83

Did you know Adolph Hitler considered himself a Christian? Vinca Dec 2013 #97

No he did not. former9thward Dec 2013 #99

Read "Mein Kampf." Vinca Dec 2013 #101

I have. former9thward Dec 2013 #102

I don't think so. And where, exactly, did I say tens of millions? Vinca Dec 2013 #104

#36 former9thward Dec 2013 #115

You've reminded me why I stopped posting here and I'm wondering why I returned. Vinca Dec 2013 #121

Hitler certainly enlisted Christianity in his efforts Major Nikon Dec 2013 #107

Atheism was the state religion of the Soviet Union and Communist China. former9thward Dec 2013 #116

All of those regimes murdered a lot of people Major Nikon Dec 2013 #117

I would argue that Communism was the state religion of the USSR and China UtahJosh Dec 2013 #135

Congratulations! progressoid Dec 2013 #80

Another attempt to ignore history. former9thward Dec 2013 #84

maybe he was thinking of the Ayn Rand worshippers although most of them are not atheist JI7 Dec 2013 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #25

Or how about, we'll work for peace, inclusively ... ananda Dec 2013 #42

Imagine if we really did learn to ALL work together for the common good CrawlingChaos Dec 2013 #52

Most of us already do Warpy Dec 2013 #54

geez I can't believe how many posts on here don't appreciate the inclusiveness. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #55

The Pope is taking away their thunder. demosincebirth Dec 2013 #58

no shit...it really is getting bad madrchsod Dec 2013 #78

Here is what Francis has actually said about marriage equality. Inclusive? Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #90

+1 MNBrewer Dec 2013 #110

We're way ahead of him. Hey Pope, stop sheltering child rapists. Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #57

Everyone has moved past that except, maybe, you. demosincebirth Dec 2013 #59

I'm funny that way. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #61

I wasn't thinking "funny." demosincebirth Dec 2013 #64

No, you were thinking and all but saying, "Shut up about raped kids already." Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #73

Yeah. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #67

Moved past child rape? Tien1985 Dec 2013 #77

Jesus said Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #87

Really? Is that a subject we should just "move on" from? theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #111

There's a lot of RW war mongering self-identified Christians just like George W. Bush out there. Zorra Dec 2013 #71

Here is what Francis has actually said about marriage equality, someone explain Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #85

As an atheist I disagree with him on every fundemental edhopper Dec 2013 #86

to "invite even nonbelievers to desire peace" might sound a bit condescending mountain grammy Dec 2013 #88

Here is what Francis has actually said about marriage equality how is it 'inclusive'? Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #92

Be nice if you could provide a link and/or a date.. mountain grammy Dec 2013 #94

He hasn't changed. theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #108

I applaud the sentiment. Oakenshield Dec 2013 #129

Me too. I'll work (no exceptions) with any religion calling for peace. (nt) anti partisan Dec 2013 #132

In context, I don't think it was condescending muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #134