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In reply to the discussion: Atheists, Work With Us for Peace, Pope Says on Christmas [View all]cpwm17
(3,829 posts)114. Sam Harris (and Hitchens, outspokenly) support for the neocon's aggressive war agenda
and his lack of interest in US's past bad behavior towards the Muslim world, indicates that I am justified in interpreting Sam Harris' writings as written:
What will we do if an Islamist regime, which grows dewy-eyed at the mere mention of paradise, ever acquires long-range nuclear weaponry? If history is any guide, we will not be sure about where the offending warheads are or what their state of readiness is, and so we will be unable to rely on targeted, conventional weapons to destroy them. In such a situation, the only thing likely to ensure our survival may be a nuclear first strike of our own. Needless to say, this would be an unthinkable crimeas it would kill tens of millions of innocent civilians in a single daybut it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe.
I can read.
I'm an atheist, and one privilege of being an atheist is that I have no pope. Well known and outspoken atheists that support positions that I don't like should be condemned. It's not an attack against me.
Atheism isn't what makes people better, though atheism eliminates religion, and religions often interfere in the process.
I avoid Sam Harris. The little I've heard from him is enough to let me know I have no use for him. Hitchens seems to think that religion is the number one evil in the world, and the main cause of war. Religious war mongering is one of Hitchens main points Hitchens uses to condemn religion obviously lacking self awareness.
Selfishness, greed, and bigotry (all related) are the main causes of evil in this world. Hitchens and Harris are extremely bigoted and that is why they support aggressive war.
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"forever" clause aside, Marx's "opium of the people" quote deserves a second look
0rganism
Dec 2013
#112
do you really think the profiteers from the military industrial complex are actually "religious"?
KittyWampus
Dec 2013
#10
So when you went and read the Popes message he was strictly lecturing atheists?
el_bryanto
Dec 2013
#15
how does that change whether they are religious, like the duck dynasty piece of shits , they
JI7
Dec 2013
#26
You might put Franco in Spain in the category of a 'Catholic war'
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2013
#131
Many of us have been for years. Years that the church has been dealing with hiding
LuckyLib
Dec 2013
#4
Dear pope, most atheists I know have always worked for World Peace…it is kind of our thing.
Tikki
Dec 2013
#11
Where has Sam Harris called for a preemptive nuclear strike on the Muslim world?
MNBrewer
Dec 2013
#39
I've always admired Hedges, but to find that he's slandering Harris is disturbing
MNBrewer
Dec 2013
#49
Calling for something vs. positing it as a likely US response are not the same thing
MNBrewer
Dec 2013
#93
Sam Harris (and Hitchens, outspokenly) support for the neocon's aggressive war agenda
cpwm17
Dec 2013
#114
I must check to see how often Gandhi buttressed his callls for pacifism with "Bullshit!"
rug
Dec 2013
#68
He was still working that religion thing…he saw himself as the ultimate authority...
Tikki
Dec 2013
#33
Some say the catholic church in the last 100 years targeted the even more venerable..
Tikki
Dec 2013
#37
Those compare with the tens of millions killed by Stalin and Hitler and Mao and Pol Pot?
former9thward
Dec 2013
#82
I guess you don't recall Mao and Stalin, both atheist. What the last number 2-3 million
demosincebirth
Dec 2013
#62
north korea worships the fucking dear leader who is supposed to be some higher power type
JI7
Dec 2013
#74
and they still aren't killing non atheists in the name of atheism , it's mostly their own who are
JI7
Dec 2013
#125
maybe he was thinking of the Ayn Rand worshippers although most of them are not atheist
JI7
Dec 2013
#17
geez I can't believe how many posts on here don't appreciate the inclusiveness.
liberal_at_heart
Dec 2013
#55
Here is what Francis has actually said about marriage equality. Inclusive?
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#90
No, you were thinking and all but saying, "Shut up about raped kids already."
Demo_Chris
Dec 2013
#73
There's a lot of RW war mongering self-identified Christians just like George W. Bush out there.
Zorra
Dec 2013
#71
Here is what Francis has actually said about marriage equality, someone explain
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#85
to "invite even nonbelievers to desire peace" might sound a bit condescending
mountain grammy
Dec 2013
#88
Here is what Francis has actually said about marriage equality how is it 'inclusive'?
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#92
Me too. I'll work (no exceptions) with any religion calling for peace. (nt)
anti partisan
Dec 2013
#132