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ProSense

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Wed Mar 14, 2012, 12:19 PM

Mar 2012

I don't see it as a "conspiracy"

It is a reasonable extrapolation of what they already do.

I agree that we may have to consider that "tolls" are the "right" way to tax the highway system. We've used gas taxes, but if we get what we want on electrics/alternative/mass transit, other funding sources would be needed. And gas taxes aren't particularly any more "democratic" than tolls. Truth is, with electronic systems, it could make it MORE democratic because of course they could adjust what you paid based upon any democratic factors they wish (income, wealth, vehicle size, time of day....)

But one would be foolish not to consider the OTHER activities to which these technologies could be put. Besides the absurd "toll breaks" that I'm sure republicans could dream up (toll breaks for the job creators!!!) the information on these systems alone could be used for the basis of search warrants amongst other intentions. To be quite honest, it is the divorce lawyers that would be the first to go after this data. When our city first installed all of those intersection cameras, they databased the information for months. The divorce lawyers went after it and they finally started deleting the information within DAYS.

...rich. It's not a conspiracy, and it's likely the best way to go, but one would be "foolish" not to consider the conspiracy.

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So they're planning a system of toll plazas on our nation's highways. [View all] woo me with science Mar 2012 OP

May be like the ones in Denver--where you don't stop (and you may well NOT know you've incurred $$) hlthe2b Mar 2012 #1

So we restrict the movements of poor people. woo me with science Mar 2012 #23

goddamn those toll operators. uncle ray Mar 2012 #61

Actuallyfor someone not from the area... they are not... hlthe2b Mar 2012 #66

The TSA. Coming soon to a toll booth near you. Already in Tennessee: think Mar 2012 #2

+1 Exactly. And/or facial recognition technology. woo me with science Mar 2012 #6

Lovely. Fawke Em Mar 2012 #15

As if we didn't know this would happen. But I remember being told we were 'paranoid' by sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #115

It's a ProSense Mar 2012 #3

An expansion of toll roads? I'd call that a conspiracy. Zalatix Mar 2012 #9

Call it ProSense Mar 2012 #11

Trying to characterize it as NOT a corporate conspiracy is beyond clueless. Zalatix Mar 2012 #21

It's absolutely ProSense Mar 2012 #24

Wow, just... wow. Zalatix Mar 2012 #26

Oh ProSense Mar 2012 #27

This is about mass privatization and increasing corporate profits. Simple as that. Zalatix Mar 2012 #32

Again ProSense Mar 2012 #33

And again. It is about mass privatization and increasing corporate profits. Zalatix Mar 2012 #35

Point ProSense Mar 2012 #37

Who do you think is going to manage this toll network? Zalatix Mar 2012 #40

You would think we would know this song by now, woo me with science Mar 2012 #44

Well said. Wish I had thought of it that way. n/t Zalatix Mar 2012 #46

Instead of ProSense Mar 2012 #47

Massive. Corporate. Giveaway. Do you get it yet? Zalatix Mar 2012 #57

If that bothers you, wait till you see this... Major Nikon Mar 2012 #77

Funny, ha hah! Zalatix Mar 2012 #79

Grow up. nt sudopod Mar 2012 #62

Are you ProSense Mar 2012 #63

Because repeating the word "bullshit" three times is childish? sudopod Mar 2012 #68

What ProSense Mar 2012 #70

Wow, your arguments are incredibly myopic. Zalatix Mar 2012 #71

That's ProSense Mar 2012 #74

Fact free? You're the one arguing that this isn't a big corporate giveaway. Zalatix Mar 2012 #75

Because the privatization of Indiana's roads is a small-scale representation? sudopod Mar 2012 #73

Old enough ProSense Mar 2012 #80

It's not a proposal, or even a bill. In Indiana, it's the law. sudopod Mar 2012 #81

It's ProSense Mar 2012 #85

Denial is not a river in Egypt. Zalatix Mar 2012 #86

In this case, willful denial. woo me with science Mar 2012 #96

Lay it out for me. Why isn't it a valid comparison? nt sudopod Mar 2012 #87

It's ridiculous because you say so.. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #109

Where's the conspiracy theory? You have not answered the question 'who is going sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #117

You apparently don't understand the whole premise of toll highways. TheWraith Mar 2012 #30

There are but three words for this bill: massive. corporate. giveaway. Zalatix Mar 2012 #34

Privatize Everything is the motto - TBF Mar 2012 #50

don't we already have some privatized toll roads? newspeak Mar 2012 #56

The government doesn't need to collect tolls to maintain highways. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #110

So you believe all roads should be free... brooklynite Mar 2012 #52

We already have existing means to fund the road system. Zalatix Mar 2012 #58

Exactly. This is regressive, and adds an entire layer of corporate involvement woo me with science Mar 2012 #97

Was there some reason why you didn't just post a link rather than make it necessary sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #116

A "conspiracy" to repair highways? Yeah, that's not at all paranoid. TheWraith Mar 2012 #12

You think this will repair the highways? Zalatix Mar 2012 #22

So you don't think HSA will use the system zipplewrath Mar 2012 #17

Do you ProSense Mar 2012 #18

It's not a conspiracy zipplewrath Mar 2012 #25

That's exactly what it is: a conspiracy theory. TheWraith Mar 2012 #28

It is not a conspiracy theory, it's reality. Zalatix Mar 2012 #39

Look around you. Nobody is buying your argument except TheWraith. Zalatix Mar 2012 #43

It's an extrapolation zipplewrath Mar 2012 #51

Yup. It is hardly conspiracy to anticipate the behavior of Homeland Security, woo me with science Mar 2012 #55

Who is going to profit from this? Who will be collecting the tolls? What about poor people sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #118

Well it looks like the Toll Amendment has been withdrawn, see downthread. You can stop sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #121

This message was self-deleted by its author Mc Mike Mar 2012 #130

The interstate system was supposed to be FREE from tolls, paid by gas tax. Warren Stupidity Mar 2012 #122

+100000 Thank you for the important reminder. woo me with science Mar 2012 #126

More privatization LuvNewcastle Mar 2012 #4

This is a bipartisan bill. It is not only right wingers pushing it. woo me with science Mar 2012 #7

How about The Democrats Make the Rich pay their share in Taxes fascisthunter Mar 2012 #5

Well, that would be the logical solution, wouldn't it? woo me with science Mar 2012 #8

I think you rub tomatoes in your hair under the full moon. TheWraith Mar 2012 #13

I think you like to attack people who don't agree with you. Zalatix Mar 2012 #29

Absurd statements deserve to be called absurd. TheWraith Mar 2012 #38

Imaginary privatization? Yup, your argument is definitely clueless. Zalatix Mar 2012 #41

I think you are correct. nt. SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #42

You see, hyperbolic posts like this are why no one takes you seriously. nt sudopod Mar 2012 #64

Democrats need to start acting like Democrats and not Republican light think Mar 2012 #10

The Centrist Dems want what a lot of Republicans Want fascisthunter Mar 2012 #14

it's called the "new democrats" newspeak Mar 2012 #59

We won't have enough real Democrats until woo me with science Mar 2012 #16

Maybe if they would just use the money nykym Mar 2012 #19

And gasoline taxes, they get tons of money from that. Zalatix Mar 2012 #45

The goal is to make all "interstates" owned privately. Avalux Mar 2012 #20

Eisenhower is spinning in his grave aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #31

No kidding. woo me with science Mar 2012 #100

In a nutshell. woo me with science Mar 2012 #49

And you can't POSSIBLY close a roadway without a toll plaza, right? brooklynite Mar 2012 #53

But you can close a highway with a toll plaza Zalatix Mar 2012 #60

"...that will add $1,000 to a family budget just to get to work.� woo me with science Mar 2012 #69

It's hard to imagine a more regressive tax. sudopod Mar 2012 #127

They'll take the interstates private and sell them to China. Ganja Ninja Mar 2012 #78

Well, Your Link Says That the Toll Plaza Proposal On the Road Mar 2012 #36

Wait just a second here. Zalatix Mar 2012 #65

+ 1 to all your posts here, Zal. Mc Mike Mar 2012 #92

+10000 nt woo me with science Mar 2012 #95

Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" Mc Mike Mar 2012 #131

Are Credit Cards a Government Plot? On the Road Mar 2012 #113

No, because I can get around those. Zalatix Mar 2012 #114

The conspiracy bs being thrown around are embarassing SpartanDem Mar 2012 #48

I don't see it as a "conspiracy" zipplewrath Mar 2012 #67

That's ProSense Mar 2012 #72

no no donkey unionworks Mar 2012 #76

Renaming things is a GOP strategy zipplewrath Mar 2012 #82

SOCIALIST! nt sudopod Mar 2012 #83

And your point unionworks Mar 2012 #84

(Russian accent) Is joke! :D nt sudopod Mar 2012 #88

Allow me... unionworks Mar 2012 #90

.... woo me with science Mar 2012 #99

first we steal atomic plans unionworks Mar 2012 #103

Yeah ProSense Mar 2012 #89

All power is abused zipplewrath Mar 2012 #102

Especially when government policy is bought by corporations. woo me with science Mar 2012 #105

Everything must be smeared as "conspiracy" until it happens. woo me with science Mar 2012 #98

watch out for the black helicopters! dionysus Mar 2012 #54

Why are you worried about black helicopters? No one else is. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #119

worried? i'm laughing at whack ass conspiracy woo.... dionysus Mar 2012 #123

I wouldn't laugh too hard if I were you. Occulus Mar 2012 #129

I'm not too worried about being tracked by this system. JoeyT Mar 2012 #91

It's more about toll booth areas being used as TSA checkpoints: think Mar 2012 #93

Yup. And it's also about a huge corporate giveaway, woo me with science Mar 2012 #94

Biggest issue I have w/ toll roads is safety Strelnikov_ Mar 2012 #101

Hey ProSense Mar 2012 #104

It passed, but the Tolling Amendment is off the table for now. So, I guess the OP was sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #124

Just keeping this up top so there is context for the others. nt woo me with science Mar 2012 #106

Dallas Tollway Authority have already been training its employees at the LanternWaste Mar 2012 #107

Kick woo me with science Mar 2012 #108

Apparently the toll amendment was withdrawn Oilwellian Mar 2012 #111

Oh, that's funny. And there are people in this thread defending it. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #120

It sure ain't the same red/blue game it used to be. woo me with science Mar 2012 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Oilwellian Mar 2012 #112

California made border guards because of the medfly scare Taverner Mar 2012 #125

There is always a "good reason." woo me with science Mar 2012 #132