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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts) Wed Mar 14, 2012, 12:27 PM Mar 2012

En el cambío climático. [View all]

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So the other day there was a freak hail storm in Mexico City. Yes, hail has historically fallen in the city, but this one was just weird. It does not matter the mechanism, but in some areas they got 30 centimeters, in one a meter, before all was said and done.

Next day they had another one.

So I went looking. Since 1999 these freak storms have spiked.

Unlike us, Mexicans are not in denial about global climactic change. They have been living it for about two decades...floods, century storms, droughts, freak hail storms. It is not theory, it is every day life.

We are starting to live with the consequences. But by the time we collectively decide it is real, it might be beyond the point of no return. The ones I feel sorry for are my nieces and nephews, the mess they will inherit. Worst case the end of the worlders might be partially correct. Sorry guys, extinction is forever.

To speak plainly in a language some very religious people may understand...god promised not to destroy the earth by flood again. That promise has nothing about humans doing it themselves. Global climactic change is real, and potentially could be an extinction level event for apex species, which includes us.

Greed is not good, and we will not be given a last second reprieve. Those who do not help themselves...

Suffice it to say deniers are not just the very religious, those I almost get it. It is who we, very provincial, and at times not understanding the most basic of math or science, people are. (Yes, there is data on how behind we are other countries in math and science) It's hurting us, not just in competing on the world stage, but in understanding that climate is indeed changing. It's not a mild spring, that is weather. It's not a weird hail storm, that is weather...it's an increasing series of them over the decades. It is measurable data, such as increase in global surface ocean temp, and atmospheric temp. That is what climactic change is. And it is real.

Nadin

Donning my nomex.

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En el cambío climático. [View all] nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 OP

Don't worry...you'll have lots of company in your bunker. guardian Mar 2012 #1

Classic denial post nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #2

If the world is doomed guardian Mar 2012 #6

Second classic response nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #8

Please be consistent. guardian Mar 2012 #16

Well scientists are doomers I guess nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #18

It is simple libtodeath Mar 2012 #23

So the highly "intelligent and educated scientists" guardian Mar 2012 #33

My question is do you even understand what we are talking about nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #40

Who said it was doomed? There's a whole spectrum of bad between "nothing" and "end of the world" sudopod Mar 2012 #21

And if we go extinct, 99% percent of species have, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #25

That's...kind of a depressing view. :p nt sudopod Mar 2012 #29

Well we are the last tenth of a second of the last 4 billion years nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #32

Per the OP guardian Mar 2012 #30

You go on and prep ok nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #31

Are you just trolling nadin or what? :/ sudopod Mar 2012 #37

I'm just trying to figure out if the OP is serious. guardian Mar 2012 #43

Sigh. sudopod Mar 2012 #45

Small words nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #46

LOL!! greytdemocrat Mar 2012 #24

So Global Warming is just a Conspiracy Theory? fascisthunter Mar 2012 #3

This poster only posts in GW threads to spew Denier nonsense. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #107

Does that mean you deny Climate Change? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #151

Climate change is settled science libtodeath Mar 2012 #4

It is just not republicans. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #7

There will always be some same as those that oppose OWS from the left libtodeath Mar 2012 #12

Regarldless on this issue nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #13

Which gets us to why wingers libtodeath Mar 2012 #15

It is not just wingers nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #17

even if they have financial reasons, that still means they are stupid or crazy fascisthunter Mar 2012 #9

Fundies I get it. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #10

How much libtodeath Mar 2012 #19

That is part of it nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #22

That last sentance says it all libtodeath Mar 2012 #26

Very true libtodeath Mar 2012 #14

Its Sixty Freaking Degrees in Upstate New York on March 15 and going into the 70's next week Liberalynn Mar 2012 #5

It i82 freaking degrees here in North Georgia. RebelOne Mar 2012 #163

That is quite a bit higher than normal. Liberalynn Mar 2012 #165

The People Who Laugh at Global Warming are the Minority of Imbeciles fascisthunter Mar 2012 #11

"Climactic." Brickbat Mar 2012 #20

Actually I am using the term correctly nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #27

I suspect the word the UN uses is "climate" or sometimes "climatic." Brickbat Mar 2012 #34

That would be correct. zappaman Mar 2012 #35

I suspect the term is cambio climatico, and climactic change nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #38

Actually, it was a very gentle observation that you used the wrong word. zappaman Mar 2012 #39

SOP... ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #50

You're welcome! Brickbat Mar 2012 #42

Of course you don't. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #44

maybe learn to take a suggestion of how to better your post ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #51

Actually, you made a minor spelling error, MineralMan Mar 2012 #71

Are you sure "Climactic" is not another accepted version? jsmirman Mar 2012 #85

No, it is not. You can look it up in any online dictionary. MineralMan Mar 2012 #86

This would not be a matter of consulting an "Online Dictionary" jsmirman Mar 2012 #87

Oh, dear... MineralMan Mar 2012 #88

It was in the *title* of these scholarly articles jsmirman Mar 2012 #94

Even scholars make mistakes. MineralMan Mar 2012 #102

Would you like to know jsmirman Mar 2012 #106

No, not especially. MineralMan Mar 2012 #116

I won't trouble you with them, then jsmirman Mar 2012 #118

Here's a use of the term in the NY Times jsmirman Mar 2012 #99

In general, blogs get less attention from copy editors than MineralMan Mar 2012 #103

In general, I find that the NY Times makes plenty of mistakes jsmirman Mar 2012 #104

Thank you for your thoughtful, fact-filled posts. I should point out though, that you sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #157

so, your mindset seems to be that correction to the factual ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #159

Not at all. No sexual content is involved. MineralMan Mar 2012 #161

Good thing the poster isn't a male zappaman Mar 2012 #162

! Quantess Mar 2012 #183

you can't handle the truth, old man! those old fashioned "facts", proper use of words, ect... dionysus Mar 2012 #135

I know. I'm outmoded now. People spelling words any way they MineralMan Mar 2012 #141

i can help! start saying "ur" instead of "your". make a few wild claims unsupported by facts. dionysus Mar 2012 #143

o noes!!11! mpls l b gon. MineralMan Mar 2012 #149

did you really just post your SAT score? wow... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #90

That's right jsmirman Mar 2012 #96

i try not to lean on something i did 20 years ago ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #100

I've done plenty in the last twenty years jsmirman Mar 2012 #101

i think the word is being misused but could certainly see the 'climax' take on it as well ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #105

I would certainly agree with your last point jsmirman Mar 2012 #111

nice play on words...or perhaps my mind today is occupied with less than pure contemplations ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #115

No, I tend to string connected language together jsmirman Mar 2012 #117

maybe i should have listend to the woo brigade who claims tests don't accurately measure these dionysus Mar 2012 #136

not really sure why you're talking about the 'woo brigade' ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #147

i know, it was a flat attempt at humour... it didn't work.. dionysus Mar 2012 #150

sorry i missed it... ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #152

yeah, or my joke really *was* that lame... dionysus Mar 2012 #153

i suppose that COULD be it... ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #155

i admire you for being able to read this thread with a straight face... dionysus Mar 2012 #123

Who says I have a straight face? MineralMan Mar 2012 #124

I think it was obvious that your face is far from straight. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #158

Goodness. The word climax has many meanings, and I MineralMan Mar 2012 #160

Looks like poor translation to me. Brickbat Mar 2012 #89

It may be, it may not be jsmirman Mar 2012 #98

You mean like "nukulur"? kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #95

you need to look up climactic... it has to do with a climax, not climate,... dionysus Mar 2012 #92

Is that the best you can do? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #113

first off, yes, pointing out that you think you know better than the dictionary is all i need to do. dionysus Mar 2012 #119

Yup, after all you have been what you have been for a decade or so nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #120

and furthermore, laughing at hyperbole intended to draw attention to oneself, is not "denying" dionysus Mar 2012 #122

So you think global warming, to use a term you might be more familiar with, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #125

of course global warming exists. it's the far out, hyperbolic stories on a variety of topics dionysus Mar 2012 #129

So I guess the churubusco special effects studio was busy nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #132

you do realize torrential rain will wash most of that into low points in piles right? dionysus Mar 2012 #134

Thanks I feel so honored nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #137

you seem to be arguing a totally seperate point. no one in the thread has claimed freak dionysus Mar 2012 #142

Cambio climático nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #144

Covering your tracks again, eh? zappaman Mar 2012 #156

Shouldn't that then be cambio climactico?...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #168

So, what happened to "global warming"? I don't see that term used much anymore. SlimJimmy Mar 2012 #36

It changed because small minded people have a problem understanding sudopod Mar 2012 #47

No, I am not one of *those* people. But think it's quite confusing to the general public to keep SlimJimmy Mar 2012 #56

It's a good thing. Anti-climactic change would be a let-down. slackmaster Mar 2012 #76

Well played! zappaman Mar 2012 #82

This whole thread is very anti-climactic...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #28

and on DU, Sid, some folks even claim to know better than the dictionary... dionysus Mar 2012 #93

thank you Kali Mar 2012 #41

Got any comment on the substance of the OP? n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #154

I already did! Brickbat Mar 2012 #164

So what do you suggest we do? raouldukelives Mar 2012 #48

How about solar panels on every roof in the US? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #52

Solar sounds like a much better idea raouldukelives Mar 2012 #83

Where exactly did I encourage people to go get a new toy? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #84

My bad. I totally misunderstood. raouldukelives Mar 2012 #126

I use newer gear but I am aware of where they come from nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #131

I didn't know we had climate deniers here on DU. Rex Mar 2012 #49

Climate denial is common in the us nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #53

I just meant here on DU. Rex Mar 2012 #54

it's the anti-left brigade fascisthunter Mar 2012 #55

On this subject it is deeper than that nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #57

true true... I'll keep that in mind fascisthunter Mar 2012 #58

At this point I just smile. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #59

On a brighter note...there seems to be fewer people Rex Mar 2012 #60

True...I am still not convinced nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #62

True, even from the very first day it was. Rex Mar 2012 #65

Northern Mexico, same biome as Texas nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #67

I am not surprised, the weather is so unpredictable. Rex Mar 2012 #69

Right now they are bringing food and water nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #72

Hi nadin. I no longer call it climate change, but instead Pathwalker Mar 2012 #61

I use the UN term which is also accurate nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #64

Until I started posting on DU, I had no idea Rex Mar 2012 #63

Well many of our right wing blue dogs nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #66

It is a strange reaction imo. Rex Mar 2012 #68

It is strange, but that last one nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #70

I know a few people that are afraid (why?) of socialized medicine Rex Mar 2012 #73

Well if it's bad enough we'll join dinosaurs nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #74

I like your idea of solar panels on everyones roof. Rex Mar 2012 #78

They are trolls that hang out in Environment/Energy. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #108

I call it paid trolls. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #121

We saw a lot of that around here when Rex Mar 2012 #128

We have them in droves nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #139

Ah, thanks that is why I was puzzled. Rex Mar 2012 #127

A meter of hail? Sorry, I don't think so. TheManInTheMac Mar 2012 #75

It does not matter what you personally believe or not. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #77

Whoa! I'm sorry, I missed the vid. And for the record, I have no friends I'm aware of. TheManInTheMac Mar 2012 #79

In fact two vids. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #80

since I'm just a dumb carpenter I'd have to say onethatcares Mar 2012 #81

kick for total misuse use of the word "climactic" dionysus Mar 2012 #91

Oh! Chorophyll Mar 2012 #97

Go talk to people in the streets nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #110

Don't know where you are, but I haven't talked to any "deniers" in a long time. Chorophyll Mar 2012 #130

I don't know where you are, but I have nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #133

In the Jury room last May, there were 3 of us who believe in it, but Pathwalker Mar 2012 #179

It's supposed to get to 72F in FARGO, tomorrow! Odin2005 Mar 2012 #109

thank you for your post Locrian Mar 2012 #112

I give it five years at most nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #114

C L I M A C T I C change ??? ananda Mar 2012 #138

I love the people who get stuck nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #140

Gracias por la corrección. MineralMan Mar 2012 #145

eh, it's still in there twice though... dionysus Mar 2012 #146

No matter. Never mind. MineralMan Mar 2012 #148

Totally agreed, nadin. Don't forget: We're the only part of the world which doesn't use the metric TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #166

There are words running through my mind nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #167

LOL yeah I bet I can guess some of those words TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #169

Yup, the second thing after the impressive vids nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #170

You're so right, nadin TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #174

Unattached to outcomes nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #175

I said that phrase the other day ("the commons") to a Republican-leaning friend TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #176

It took us two generations to get here nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #177

Right as usual, nadin TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #178

ahhh...that's right ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2012 #171

Play the bullie and stalker? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #172

LOL n/t zappaman Mar 2012 #173

B..but Nadin! Spelling errors are DANGEROUS! Climate change... Pathwalker Mar 2012 #180

Thanks nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #181

Thank you, will do. It helps that hubby was a Boy Scout. Pathwalker Mar 2012 #182