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Showing Original Post only (View all)Only 22% of Democrats show interest in 2014 voting. Maybe "purists" need to be heard. [View all]
Of course this is an opinion piece, but maybe I am right. Maybe it's time to listen to the growing group of voices that are begging the party leaders to take firm stands on issues.
That percentage is from a recent poll by CNN/ORC International. If the poll is truly indicative, then Democrats need to be concerned. The real reason for the Democratic voter apathy will be spun by everyone on the left or right or center. We may never know.
Just three in 10 registered voters who were surveyed said they were extremely or very enthusiastic about voting in the upcoming elections, which are still nearly a year away. Democrats are less interested, with just 22 percent saying they are extremely or very enthusiastic about voting. Republicans have slightly more interest - 36 percent.
But I have some ideas of my own. Would they work? I don't know. I do know one thing. The more our party tries to accommodate the right wing on fiscal policy, the deficit, cutting Social Security, cutting Medicare, dismantling public schools....the less the enthusiasm from the voters. The more our party avoids speaking out clearly on such issues, taking a stand for the people instead of the corporate right, the more it tries to be like the other side...the less the voters seem to care about casting a ballot.
There has to be a two-party system for a country to survive, and there has to be one side standing up to the radical right. Howard Dean was right in 2004: You can't compromise with extremists. They accept no compromise, they just keep pushing their own values. When they actually do lose a small battle they yell loudly that they have won.
Some thoughts:
Stop using the term "purist" to describe those of us who question party stances.
That sets me off more than any word anyone could use. It angers many, not just me. It is MEANT to anger us, to insult us. That is the worst part. It is a wedge, a warning not to be critical when our party refuses to stand up for the safety nets and for public education. It doesn't work, and it could backfire.
Stop letting a few rich men in think tanks control the destiny of our party. From 2001:
How the DLC does it.
Privately funded and operating as an extraparty organization without official Democratic sanction, and calling themselves "New Democrats," the DLC sought nothing less than the miraculous: the transubstantiation of America's oldest political party. Though the DLC painted itself using the palette of the liberal left--as "an effort to revive the Democratic Party's progressive tradition," with New Democrats being the "trustees of the real tradition of the Democratic Party"--its mission was far more confrontational. With few resources, and taking heavy flak from the big guns of the Democratic left, the DLC proclaimed its intention, Mighty Mouse style, to rescue the Democratic Party from the influence of 1960s-era activists and the AFL-CIO, to ease its identification with hot-button social issues, and, perhaps most centrally, to reinvent the party as one pledged to fiscal restraint, less government, and a probusiness, pro free market outlook.
It's hard to argue that they haven't succeeded.
If they want to get America's teachers on board, teachers whose careers are being destroyed by constant testing....they need to stop Arne Duncan's destructive policies. President Obama needs to recognize the harm his basketball buddy has done and make him step down. Arne's arrogance is surely making many in the education field have a lack of enthusiasm about voting next year. Parents are starting to speak out about the harmful high-stakes testing.
The Democrats who are running for re-election in 2014 need to stop toeing the party line on charter school formations and closing public schools. If not, harm will be done.
They need to be brave enough to stand up proudly and say no cuts to Social Security, preserve Medicare. Perhaps they would win more hearts and souls over by simply saying that the best way to "rescue" Social Security is by expanding it to include more people. The newly added people would pay into the system, thus strengthening it greatly.
I see it this way. I always felt I was a Democrat, not just by name but in philosophy. I felt I was supposed to speak out when I could see the party going down the corporate path, leaving the everyday common people behind.
When many of us did that in 2003, we learned quickly that tactic was unwelcome. Instead of defending their reasons for the rightward turning, many turned their anger on "the left", the "liberals" who were at that time against invading Iraq. Then we fought back against cuts to the safety nets, against privatizing public education. The think tanks began to use the words "elitists" as well as purists. They often used the word "fringe", way too often.
As far I as I know, the budget for next year still includes the Chained CPI, also known as the
Superlative CPI. There is no need for these cuts, and the Democrats running next year need to say so.
Those who call us purists need to stop saying so because we are not. We are questioning policy, which is what the people of any party need to do.
Get seniors and teachers on board by backing off policies that are harming them greatly.
Since appealing to the right instead of the left in the party is apparently not working that well right now.....why not try those ideas that folks like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are tossing out there. When two leaders of a small think tank attack them, let the party's leaders jump to their defense instead of avoiding the topic.
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Only 22% of Democrats show interest in 2014 voting. Maybe "purists" need to be heard. [View all]
madfloridian
Dec 2013
OP
Triangulation or "centrism" was always about chasing the money at the detriment of average
GoneFishin
Dec 2013
#156
Yes, it is. Past time. Oops you just used the words "purity politics". Oops
madfloridian
Dec 2013
#5
by "relax", do you mean "we can fight FOR things, rather than just against things"?
Ken Burch
Dec 2013
#25
What we needed starting a decade and a half back, was More Howard Dean, less Rahm Emanuel.
maddiemom
Dec 2013
#174
After the Democrat is elected, it will be very important to NOT criticize them.
stillwaiting
Dec 2013
#76
Exactly. They, as a group, are precisely the wrong people to achieve anything positive.
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2013
#56
Hopefully the other "80" ott-percent have woken and now see the reality
Left Coast2020
Dec 2013
#140
Our enemies always tell us it's "not time" for us to take a stand on the issues. Just roll over, DC
blkmusclmachine
Dec 2013
#122
The Party apparatus foisted Obama and his "Change!" on us in '08/'12, knowing full well that it was
blkmusclmachine
Dec 2013
#123
the fact of the matter is MOST Republican politicians and professional operatives are movement
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2013
#6
And a total takeover by the GOP helps you further your "progressive" goals, how?
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2013
#7
I don't argue with you. I don't really understand you, but I'm certainly not going to "argue" with
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2013
#17
No, I did NOT argue for a "civil war" in the party. I certainly did not. Not a Nader voter.
madfloridian
Dec 2013
#51
And if you just want a Wall Street supporter for president, then Clinton vs. Christie is
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#61
Arguing by asking question has a name. It's a technique used by faux News.
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#62
Sounds like they'd be worth investigating for you, since you guys are always pissed at Democrats.
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2013
#217
I have absolutely nothing in common with the "trashers", and who says they're "Democrats"? You?
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2013
#231
Aerows has a mad. I'm crushed, but I'll try & pick up the pieces and move on. Thanks for stop'n by!
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2013
#236
No, just Democrats who think their main job is to avoid upsetting the Republicans
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2013
#226
I bailed on Obama in '12 in red-red TX. The DEMS no longer represent my Values.
blkmusclmachine
Dec 2013
#124
Minimum wage sounds like a good issue that will motivate a lot of voters (nt)
reACTIONary
Dec 2013
#113
in 1994 AND 2010, the 'pugs won by firing up their base. Dems lost by triangulating.
Ken Burch
Dec 2013
#22
"Centrism" is the political equivalent of apologizing for your beliefs. A give-away to our enemies..
blkmusclmachine
Dec 2013
#125
That's where I'm at. Working for the liberal candidates in the primaries
mountain grammy
Dec 2013
#64
I've done that for many years, but will no longer vote for Third Way candidates.
polichick
Dec 2013
#98
He should be rotting in one of his private prisons enjoying "food" from private caterers.
mountain grammy
Dec 2013
#66
Go, GOP-lite, cuz the DEMS can't run a viable campaign in FL or TX any more.
blkmusclmachine
Dec 2013
#127
Explain what a "purist" is, please. What issues do they pursue that you disagree with? nm
rhett o rick
Dec 2013
#63
Stick with that attitude. You and the president might get the number into the teens
Doctor_J
Dec 2013
#100
So if 'they' are purist Democrats, and you are not, then you are a diluted Democrat?
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#155
+1. The DEMS aren't "scared." They're BOUGHT. They're just not supposed to let everyone in on that
blkmusclmachine
Dec 2013
#128
Nothing to vote FOR; our party has no direction or plan for anything but helping the 1%. nt
Demo_Chris
Dec 2013
#38
Ironically, the ones who accuse us of being "purists" demand we toe the party line.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2013
#40
Questioning policy good. Drawing lines & purity tests & circular firing squads is bad.
Bernardo de La Paz
Dec 2013
#48
We had a Democratic nominee who only agreed with 51% of normal Democratic values in 1992
Ken Burch
Dec 2013
#50
So? Bush agreed with ~ 90% of Repub values in 2000. See what damage that did to their party. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Dec 2013
#54
The people we are given to vote for do not intend to legislate anything like what the Dems
djean111
Dec 2013
#163
What if it is the nominated Dems' role to PREVENT substantial opposition to the conservative agenda?
HomerRamone
Dec 2013
#59
I'm not extremely or very enthusiastic about voting in 2014, but you can bet that I will!
MNBrewer
Dec 2013
#65
what percent voted in 2010? and could it be GOP is just as disinterested if not more so?
Pretzel_Warrior
Dec 2013
#67
Nailed it on Duncan and seniors is important, the two sellout issues Dems HAVE to stand up
ancianita
Dec 2013
#69
Mad, these folks aren't generally the pragmatists they claim, they are fundamentalist ideologues
TheKentuckian
Dec 2013
#72
People need to realize that pragmatism is for politicians and bureaucrats...
YoungDemCA
Dec 2013
#77
Hell, our so-called DC DEMS can't even be bothered to fix the black box vote changers.
blkmusclmachine
Dec 2013
#132
Yeah, if your restaurant is failing, blame the people who refuse to eat there,
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2013
#103
More like deciding to starve because the only restaurant in town isn't to your liking.
Drunken Irishman
Dec 2013
#136
Stop trying to pass shit on a shingle off as haute cusine and maybe people would be less cynical
Fumesucker
Dec 2013
#143
"You people"? You know what, Drunken? My State had record breaking 2010 turnout
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#158
The people we are given to vote for these days have no fucking intention of doing anything liberal,
djean111
Dec 2013
#164
Then let the Dems campaign on doing things for those who are hurting economically
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2013
#180
Oh, I'll just eat at home. There is always a third choice, and it is not the Third Way.
djean111
Dec 2013
#202
Markos at Daily Kos. "Daily Kos will not enable those who enable Third Way"
madfloridian
Dec 2013
#92
No argument from me. I was of this mindset back in 04. The party had total control in 08 and
adirondacker
Dec 2013
#104
If Republicans were smart enough, they would have invented "voter enthusiasm"
gulliver
Dec 2013
#178
Surely your argument isn't that enthusiastic support of those pushing these policies is going to end
TheKentuckian
Dec 2013
#151
tempted to say you are nuts but I think you are being genuine so I'll leave it at counterintuitive
TheKentuckian
Dec 2013
#204
Let's stop fooling ourselves. The only "firm stances" our so-called DEMS take are all pre-cleared
blkmusclmachine
Dec 2013
#121
Put a few torturers on trial and those voting numbers would double instantly
Corruption Inc
Dec 2013
#139
I am very sorry to say - but the vast overwhelming majority of Americans couldn't care less about
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2013
#172
to be affective advocates for economic justice Democratic politicians and their operatives would
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2013
#142
Thomas Frank said we have two libertarian/Reaganaut factions pushing for social freedom
MisterP
Dec 2013
#210
The reverse to the OP is also true, don't say our candidates are not "Pure" enough.
mikekohr
Dec 2013
#154
Deliberately. To marginalise, minimize, and attempt to somehow shame into licking the same boot.
djean111
Dec 2013
#165
Begging Dems to support the safety nets, public education, help for unemployed....
madfloridian
Dec 2013
#238
Yes. And the candidates who are pushed on us are NEVER going to be liberal. Ever.
djean111
Dec 2013
#201
It's certain that you won't get a lot of votes in Oklahoma running on gay marriage, but...
Lydia Leftcoast
Dec 2013
#221
First, it's corporate SHIT polling. Next, polls mean LITTLE right now. Next, if "progressives"
RBInMaine
Dec 2013
#242