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Pholus

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56. Cue Ackbar: "It's sha trappp!!!!"
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 08:36 PM
Dec 2013

Or at least it's supposed to be. Look, this says more about you than me. Mostly that you seem to live in this black and white world of hero worship.

Let's examine the goals of this thread to illustrate that point.

In YOUR world, the goal is to make party A (let's use the Cryptographer placeholder name Alice) flawless and above reproach. Of course, Alice is actually human and therefore fallible. But we mustn't think this because in fanboi all heroes are above reproach. Kinda what Christianity does when you think about it. But I guess that's how politics has to be.

If Party B (Bob) points out something Alice did that makes Alice not flawless and above reproach an immediate kneejerk response is to make sure Bob's reputation is tarnished so that becomes the story instead of Alice's flaws.

The first way to try to do this is to try to find fault directly. You know, boxes in the garage, the pole-dancing girlfriend, mean to neighbors, school dropout. Whatever. Fling poo and hope some sticks.

But six months of that didn't work, so on to page 2 in the playbook.

Find party C (Carl) who has done something noteworthy and laudable as well. Carl can criticize Bob, possibly for very valid reasons. In black-and-white fairy tale land, this means that we're supposed to pick Carl's opinion over Bob's, therefore keeping us from realizing that oh-mah-god Alice might not be perfect!

If we don't then obviously the comeback is that we repudiated poor Carl after all. Why do we hate Carl?

Seriously, try living in the real world.

Alice has done a lot of good things but as a human being is going to have a few flaws, the massive flip-flop on NSA surveillance being a major (and rather cowardly) one IMHO. Reforms are promised, indicating that there WERE and ARE problems in the system. We'll see if they are made in good faith.

Bob wouldn't be my choice for a best friend, but brought vital information about things being done in our collective names into the public debate. Personality is irrelevant when it comes to action.

Carl's opinion has validity, but it is fairly balanced by other NSA whistleblowers as well as two very respected members of the intelligence committee who were warning us about this for years. Not accepting that opinion is not a general repudiation of Carl.

That is called nuance. I know that political types often times feel they can't afford it to stay on message, but I find it helps out in my life immeasurably.

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Spreading Ever More FUD Regarding Snowden And Greenwald - Could This Simply Be Journalistic Jealousy cantbeserious Dec 2013 #1
Yeah, ProSense Dec 2013 #2
FUD - ACRONYM - Fear, Uncertainty And Doubt cantbeserious Dec 2013 #3
Another supporter of this tripe calls Greenwald "your typical queer jew double agent." last1standing Dec 2013 #4
WTF? n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #5
Where's your ROFL smilie and self referential blue link to accompany your response? last1standing Dec 2013 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author ProSense Dec 2013 #7
Here: ProSense Dec 2013 #10
Where's your link to actually prove your assertion? ConservativeDemocrat Apr 2014 #65
Well done. Denzil_DC Dec 2013 #37
If that's what gains your recommendations, then have at it. last1standing Dec 2013 #38
If you're reduced to scouring YouTube comments to make what you imagine to be an argument, Denzil_DC Dec 2013 #41
And I feel sorry for you having to respond to someone as sorry as me. last1standing Dec 2013 #44
"Attack dog"? Denzil_DC Dec 2013 #50
referencing the third post on the linked video is considered to be scouring? frylock Dec 2013 #47
Given the general state of YouTube comments, Denzil_DC Dec 2013 #49
ummmm, no.. frylock Dec 2013 #51
"you got your ass handed to you ..." Denzil_DC Dec 2013 #52
oh BURN! frylock Dec 2013 #55
What are you saying? That sounds like you're making a nasty accusation against the OP. MADem Dec 2013 #54
Trash thread. Puglover Dec 2013 #8
X-posted ProSense Dec 2013 #9
9/11 truthers gerogie2 Dec 2013 #11
Are you ProSense Dec 2013 #12
Greenwald's book deal. Greenwald's corporate media deal. randome Dec 2013 #13
Reminds me of the right-wing criticism of Al Gore. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #14
How so? Does ProSense Dec 2013 #15
Wingnuts attempted to disparage Gore by suggesting... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #18
So the people in the OP are "wingnuts"? ProSense Dec 2013 #20
It's the same tactic. Assign labels if you wish. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #23
You dismiss the OP as a "tactic." What about the points they made? n/t ProSense Dec 2013 #25
How much did Greenwald pay Snowden? WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #26
This reminds me ProSense Dec 2013 #29
Yeah, I thought of Sister Sarah when typing out my previous post. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #34
Good point so far as money is concerned. randome Dec 2013 #16
I'd be extremely methodical with the release of information as well... WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #19
I was talking about Greenwald. It's how he comes across to me. randome Dec 2013 #40
He's published more docs and written more articles than the NY Times & WaPo combined Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #27
And Isaac Asimov published a shitload of books. randome Dec 2013 #39
Interesting allegation. LanternWaste Dec 2013 #58
Men and women like Barack Obama were born to lead. politichew Dec 2013 #17
Lol! whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #22
Heh. Possibly, or Spandan is back. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #24
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #28
LOL WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #30
Two hands? politichew Dec 2013 #31
Even monster dicks need a rest. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #35
Was it all in God's great plan for Obama to lead? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #32
Right-wing meme. Thanks for unmasking yourself. nt politichew Dec 2013 #33
What is "Obama is born to lead"? A spiritual/religious/obedience meme? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #36
Congratulations! SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #42
You were alerted on, LOL. I won't say which juror I was HarveyDarkey Dec 2013 #43
Unanimous! Thanks for the heads up... SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #46
It's absolutely terrifying how close this rhetoric parallels Nazi antisemitism. Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #45
K&R bookmarked for later. checkbook journalism. Whisp Dec 2013 #21
what's interesting is the same folks that begrudge greenwald a paycheck.. frylock Dec 2013 #48
I love it! Let's hope they get some answers. GG's now part of that well financed elite media he... Tarheel_Dem Dec 2013 #53
Cue Ackbar: "It's sha trappp!!!!" Pholus Dec 2013 #56
Now, ProSense Dec 2013 #57
Actually, at this point it's just gloating on my part. Pholus Dec 2013 #59
Is ProSense Dec 2013 #61
One would think that you had something for Eddie... Pholus Dec 2013 #64
what should I say about this? PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #60
Brilliant! ProSense Dec 2013 #62
Thanks for this. Scurrilous Dec 2013 #63
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