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278. FDR had no problem violating the Constitutional rights of US citizens based on their race.

Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:08 PM

Dec 2013

And it took his haberdasher of a Veep, bless his heart, to desegregate the Armed Forces.

He was a strong supporter of Woodrow Wilson, another very imperfect "progressive"--but that's how FDR managed to get ahead by getting a gig as his Asst SECNAV. Do you suppose FDR agreed with the Palmer Raids? Or Wilson's rather obscenely racist views about black people, or slavery (not morally wrong, simply economically unviable)?

Even idols have weak spots and that whole race thing was a pretty big 'un. Particularly if you are a member of one of those unfortunate races that got the short end of the FDR stick. I suppose if you weren't, then everything was coming up roses for you--but where you stand depends on where you happen to sit, and if you're sitting in some shithole camp in the middle of nowhere, imprisoned because of your heritage, or on a bench labeled "Colored," your view might be a bit jaundiced.

I guess some of those "fundamental human rights" you're such a fan of applied to some Americans more than others, could that be it?

Just saying.

Though FDR hit that speech outta the park, even a horrible President says high-minded shit during a SOTU. I'm sure you could find some soaring hyperbole in a Bush or Nixon speech if you picked through them.

Now, I'm certainly not saying that the sum total of FDR's many terms didn't benefit our nation overall, but my point here is you can pick anyone's record apart and beat 'em up on this issue or that. You can even try to claim that a stance on a particular issue is a "deal breaker" and just "so awful" that no one might countenance it. The upshot is that trying to play the "Bad Democrat" game based on single issues --even more so where the politician isn't acting as their own agent but is subordinate to a POTUS -- is, well, cheap and cheesy, and it speaks more to the motivations of the detractor than the actual record of the politician under discussion.

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Well, that's POTUS's State Department, if we're going to get technical. MADem Dec 2013 #344

No doubt there. Sadly, Hillary and Obama have more in common with each other than they do... NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #345

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No - I am "arguing" that this article is pure horseshit. MADem Dec 2013 #37

BUT in TRUTH it DOES...or you wouldn't be trying to diffuse the Facts.... KoKo Dec 2013 #82

What "facts?" That HRC isn't in public life now, that she was subordinate to the POTUS and MADem Dec 2013 #86

"...subordinate to the POTUS and didn't make energy policy?" KoKo Dec 2013 #92

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You deserve a freaking medal. Good Lord, just READING this hysterical exchange has made me tired Number23 Dec 2013 #238

Ha--thanks! MADem Dec 2013 #264

um.... wildbilln864 Dec 2013 #385

You gotta do better than that....ooooh the "Utah Minutemen!!!" MADem Dec 2013 #387

Interesting that they are trying to sell Clinton as "eight more years of the status quo". nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #259

Yes and no - in diplomacy with other countries, he has to make offers acceptable (and pre approved) karynnj Dec 2013 #275

Keystone merrily Dec 2013 #174

You'll have to wait until she selects her cabinet to know, I suppose. nt MADem Dec 2013 #181

No, I know now. merrily Dec 2013 #183

Time will reveal all.... nt MADem Dec 2013 #190

And I assume you would support her no matter who she selected for her cabinet. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #260

I do think she'll make good choices, but I'd not be afraid to criticize a bad pick. MADem Dec 2013 #268

Yes if you think Clinton is liberal then we disagree on the definition. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #280

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I will be glad to "whack" anyone that supports the Patriot Act. Why do I single her out? rhett o rick Dec 2013 #292

Well get busy, then--you've got 97 more souls to beat to a pulp. MADem Dec 2013 #294

They are not running for president, but Goldman-Sachs-Clinton is running for president. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #296

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You keep changing the focus. But I will gladly clear up how I feel about the rhett o rick Dec 2013 #311

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Sorry I was talking about the vote to authorize the war. Somewhere we rhett o rick Dec 2013 #338

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I agree it was rude. I try to not slip into that. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #341

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So what? I still didn't mention them and I am angry because of your distortions and putting words in TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #363

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Ah man. It's graft when any of them do it. Speeches by politicians are a common and rhett o rick Dec 2013 #375

Funny how you only protest when SOME do it, though..... MADem Dec 2013 #376

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She won't campaign for HRC in the primary. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #85

If there's a primary, at least one of any consequence. MADem Dec 2013 #98

support for military families is a separate issue from supporting a big war budget. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #108

You can favor a strong military and not be an endorser of waste... MADem Dec 2013 #113

Yes they have served, and served well, but this didn't serve feminist ends. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #130

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I meant nothing at all like "you people"-it was simply a way to denote a group. No slur at all. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #236

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I wasn't calling soldiers warmongers and you know it. Ken Burch Dec 2013 #265

I hear beeping. MADem Dec 2013 #267

I am not sure they are all that separate. merrily Dec 2013 #202

I am aware that the conservatives of the Party have control and I suspect that Clinton will win the rhett o rick Dec 2013 #88

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You sound arrogantly certain that it will be HRC. Why? Ken Burch Dec 2013 #111

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She knows that the big money is on Clinton. Clinton/Christie or Christie/Clinton the banksters rhett o rick Dec 2013 #365

There you go again! nt MADem Dec 2013 #368

I dont doubt for a minute that Sen Warren will support the Democratic nominee. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #112

I answered that question--do you want me to cut and paste my answer? nt MADem Dec 2013 #117

Yes plez. I apparently missed it. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #119

Here you go. MADem Dec 2013 #121

Pot stirring is a journalistic speciality, not a leftist "issue." merrily Dec 2013 #177

I can undestand that as a political decision Kelvin Mace Dec 2013 #170

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You've laid out what she's "not" going to do before she has even taken the oath. MADem Dec 2013 #246

The Clinton track record of center-right political Kelvin Mace Dec 2013 #248

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The Clintons, Kelvin Mace Jan 2014 #426

Do you think that Hillary cares at all about the environment? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #239

Yes, I do. MADem Dec 2013 #269

What is her position on reigning in Wall Street's excesses? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #277

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But Hillary would never appoint Elizabeth Warren. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #299

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Creepy and personal? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #331

Do you always "ride to the rescue?" Or are you making a 'personal' exception, here? MADem Dec 2013 #334

I really don't need a re-pasting of what I already commented on. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #337

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Way past time to "stir the pot." Agree... KoKo Dec 2013 #11

Agreed. Phlem Dec 2013 #133

"Stirring"? daleanime Dec 2013 #19

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Yes. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #56

I dont see that the lower classes have a chance. Ironically Citizen's United will rhett o rick Dec 2013 #89

I wonder what Hillary will do under Citizens United that she did not do in 2008, merrily Dec 2013 #173

I think the big money would rather see Clinton as the nominee than others. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #195

Maybe, but that is a different from the point I was trying to make. merrily Dec 2013 #200

"But we could simple refuse to vote for people who use Citizens United as a convenient excuse. " rhett o rick Dec 2013 #206

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If you really believe that treestar Dec 2013 #253

Does "stirring the pot" challenge your precious status quo? rhett o rick Dec 2013 #256

Discussing principles implies they have them... bobduca Dec 2013 #262

Conservative Democrats were Republicans before the Party left them. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #283

Why do you miss the point? treestar Dec 2013 #291

Not all Democrats are on the side of the lower classes. The Lieberman Wing rhett o rick Dec 2013 #293

Sometimes, the pot must be stirred, Autumn Dec 2013 #41

Well, the writer of that piece of crap put garbage in a pot. MADem Dec 2013 #42

Thank goodness for trash thread. Try it, you might like it. Autumn Dec 2013 #43

Sounds like YOU might be more in need of it than I am.... MADem Dec 2013 #55

I think the article is absolutely great. It hit's on all cylinders with me. Autumn Dec 2013 #63

It "hit's" (?) on a desire by some people--for reasons which are not always magnanimous-- MADem Dec 2013 #65

Two strong, smart women with differences. Not a bit of harm in Autumn Dec 2013 #69

She hasn't said she's not running, either. MADem Dec 2013 #76

Well when she does announce, people can get behind her. Autumn Dec 2013 #77

The people trashing HRC on this thread have no intention of getting behind her. MADem Dec 2013 #79

A trashed thread can't be derailed bobduca Dec 2013 #251

Odd that so many of us disagree with your sentiments. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #52

Ahhh, Might (on a single thread the day after Xmas) makes Right, you're saying? MADem Dec 2013 #53

Putting words in my mouth? Enthusiast Dec 2013 #57

You're the one that brought up numbers--not me. MADem Dec 2013 #59

I will never again support sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #81

So, you're levying a personal insult at me, and calling ME --who worked to get Warren elected-- MADem Dec 2013 #107

Working to get Warren, rather than Brown, elected Senator does not mean one merrily Dec 2013 #175

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Your reply doesn't refute the content of my post. merrily Dec 2013 #182

The content of your post doesn't apply to me. How can I "refute" a suggestion, slyly made and MADem Dec 2013 #209

Huh? merrily Dec 2013 #212

Go back and read your words in 175. Not sayin'...but just sayin'.... nt MADem Dec 2013 #221

Because saying your argument is flawed does not = saying you are a DINO. merrily Dec 2013 #224

What argument? That I worked to elect EW to the Senate? MADem Dec 2013 #230

A Democrat working to elect any other Democrat does not necessarily merrily Dec 2013 #232

And saying I worked to get EW elected wasn't an argument...so there we are. nt MADem Dec 2013 #233

I didn't call you anything, but sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #257

Sure you did--let me quote you, just so everyone is clear: MADem Dec 2013 #261

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Clinton supporters can be smug because they side with the big money. She has rhett o rick Dec 2013 #91

Well, when EW supports Clinton, will you throw her under the bus? nt MADem Dec 2013 #101

If Clinton loses to Christie, who will you blame? Ralph Nader? nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #118

She won't lose. nt MADem Dec 2013 #122

In 2012 Obama ditched the left to woo the moderate conservatives (Centrists, The Third Way'ers, etc. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #129

Christie is a vengeful bully. He'll have to beat back Rand Paul and Ted Cruz, too. MADem Dec 2013 #165

Nasty comment? To say that you side with the big money? Clinton is the BIG MONEY Democratic rhett o rick Dec 2013 #203

Cinton is the candidate with the most support. Most of her supporters, sorry to break this to you, MADem Dec 2013 #231

Yes some choose Wall Street and some choose the 99%. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #90

So, when EW supports Clinton's run for the Presidency, what percentage will she be supporting? MADem Dec 2013 #103

She would be supporting the Democratic nominee and, sorry, but I wont throw her under the rhett o rick Dec 2013 #116

Don't be sorry--that's nice, that you will continue to support her and her choices. nt MADem Dec 2013 #120

Sen Warren has a Party obligation to support Clinton, I dont. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #123

So she has a gun to her head then? Like she did when she signed the Senate Women's letter? MADem Dec 2013 #151

I didnt say that. Those are your words. Do you think Clinton will be tough on rhett o rick Dec 2013 #153

You implied it with your words. MADem Dec 2013 #154

You think that Clinton, friend of Wall Street will appoint Sen Warren to rhett o rick Dec 2013 #159

Time will tell. MADem Dec 2013 #161

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If holding her accountable for her support of Georgie Bush's war means I've lost the rhett o rick Dec 2013 #199

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Crickets~ sheshe2 Dec 2013 #126

I will not. EW owes a lot to the Democratic Party. merrily Dec 2013 #188

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Signs point to NO on that one, sorry. MADem Dec 2013 #377

You say you are sorry? fadedrose Dec 2013 #378

I am saying, politely as I can manage, that you are mistaken. MADem Dec 2013 #379

Thank you for the lovely picture fadedrose Dec 2013 #380

It was part of a thank you/constituent mailer. Mine is on the fridge. MADem Dec 2013 #381

So you DO like Warren? fadedrose Dec 2013 #382

Do you think I would have busted my ass for her if I didn't? MADem Dec 2013 #386

No reflection on you or others who support her fadedrose Dec 2013 #389

You're just not gonna get your way on this. MADem Dec 2013 #390

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And a great new year to you my friend. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #415

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I'm glad there's SOMEBODY in government minding the environment. immoderate Dec 2013 #3

Again Elizabeth Warren is on the correct side. RC Dec 2013 #4

With all this global warming just how much has the sea level risen in the last doc03 Dec 2013 #5

Totally the biggest issue, eh? truebluegreen Dec 2013 #36

I hear about the polar ice caps melting and how the sea levels doc03 Dec 2013 #72

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What is your point? merrily Dec 2013 #191

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You've got to be kidding. /nt Marr Dec 2013 #333

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Must make it tough for the apologists on this site to reconcilce their support of the biosphere's villager Dec 2013 #6

The names Sanders and Grayson are prominently missing... malthaussen Dec 2013 #7

That is interesting mimi85 Dec 2013 #28

Yes, that line-up Iwillnevergiveup Dec 2013 #145

K&R bahrbearian Dec 2013 #8

Only $70 bil in global damages over 50 years?? Beartracks Dec 2013 #12

+ A shit load! nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #48

Climate science: check. Scuba Dec 2013 #13

Can a real populist beat a semi-corporatist? ErikJ Dec 2013 #15

Me too. NorthCarolina Dec 2013 #83

No one seems to believe me but: Utopian Leftist Dec 2013 #16

+1 daleanime Dec 2013 #20

+ 2... druidity33 Dec 2013 #71

Protesting? more like a tantrum bobduca Dec 2013 #247

That dude is a frothing maniac for $hillary n/t Titonwan Dec 2013 #249

Looks to me like Clinton has considered her options and chosen to side with the Wall Street rhett o rick Dec 2013 #95

+1 (nt) NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #110

+1,000! We don't know where "EW" is and how long she will stand KoKo Dec 2013 #148

To topple Hillary, Warren would also have to run for Pres. Not sure she will. merrily Dec 2013 #210

My God. I hope this woman becomes President. peoli Dec 2013 #18

I adore her also mimi85 Dec 2013 #29

Elizabeth Warren is our treasure. She does not asjr Dec 2013 #21

Since when is doing the right thing being at war? hootinholler Dec 2013 #22

Tar sands crude is being refined even as we speak mountain grammy Dec 2013 #23

+1 a whole bunch.......nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #47

Keep it up Elizabeth, there are not many we can count on any more. Paper Roses Dec 2013 #24

And another Inter-Democratic Party battle begins between Progressives and Corporatist DINOs. ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #25

Sen Warren would have a tough battle against the big money of the corporate fascists. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #93

That hasn't stopped her yet. ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2013 #97

Wow - just in case anyone wondered where Obama stands on the environment... polichick Dec 2013 #27

that is a completely unfair and biased article Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #31

in what ways? nt G_j Dec 2013 #32

Yeah, shoot the messenger. That'll change the facts. 99Forever Dec 2013 #114

I expect Common Dreams pisses you off bobduca Dec 2013 #272

no. I tend to laugh at their hackneyed and vitriolic (amateur) writing and analysis Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #288

In October Senator Warren did sign on to a letter encouraging Hillary Clinton totodeinhere Dec 2013 #33

SHHHHH!!!!!! Don't SAY things like that!!! MADem Dec 2013 #73

The Clintons are Charming People...are you warning us that Warren is just another Clinton KoKo Dec 2013 #96

Elizabeth Warren is a wonderful Senator for my state and she has pledged to complete her term. MADem Dec 2013 #100

You have the INSIDER SCOOP....And, Thanks for your reply KoKo Dec 2013 #142

It's not the "INSIDER SCOOP." Truly. MADem Dec 2013 #144

I don't watch Network or Cable TV...and THANKS for your Honesty! KoKo Dec 2013 #160

The article is about divide and conquer. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #131

Tell me about it. That's it, exactly. MADem Dec 2013 #149

We are both from Mass... sheshe2 Dec 2013 #155

They want to drag her onto a national stage and start playing the "war whoop" game all over again. MADem Dec 2013 #157

Focusing on a person, rather than on issues, is for the Bieber crowd. merrily Dec 2013 #189

merrily I say... you are correct! sheshe2 Dec 2013 #197

That is the title of the Common Dreams article. merrily Dec 2013 #201

I am not the one on DU focusing on Warren or Clinton. sheshe2 Dec 2013 #213

Gee, maybe the writer of that shitstain of an article cited in the OP should have taken that advice! MADem Dec 2013 #198

It's good advice for everyone. merrily Dec 2013 #204

Can you provide a link to the letter? MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #169

The letter that was supposed to remain secret? That would be hard. merrily Dec 2013 #186

A *secret* letter. Interesting. MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #220

Beats me. All I know is what I read in the funny papers. merrily Dec 2013 #222

The actual letter has still not emerged publicly but there are multiple totodeinhere Dec 2013 #314

"We have no idea where she stands on anything aside from banking/Wall Street!!1!" bullwinkle428 Dec 2013 #35

She also favors a strong military, and is an advocate for military personnel and their families. MADem Dec 2013 #109

Yes...I've read that she supports maybe more Military than I would vote for... KoKo Dec 2013 #162

It would be great (keep dreaming, I know) if we could stick the Koch suckers no outlet for their Dustlawyer Dec 2013 #40

I'm not too bright. But I suspect Elizabeth Warren Enthusiast Dec 2013 #46

"Separates Herself From Hillary Clinton" Hubert Flottz Dec 2013 #50

The thing that is important right now is the thing that gets her elected. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #51

More fake stories about 2.strong Democratic women highlighting a split msanthrope Dec 2013 #61

And whoooop--there it is! MADem Dec 2013 #62

I agree. This is an editorial, not an article OKNancy Dec 2013 #70

Divide and Conquer...yes it is! sheshe2 Dec 2013 #158

I hope Warren and the progressive dems prevail. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2013 #75

Why is the target HRC when it says clearly that Obama is paving the way for approval NOW BrotherIvan Dec 2013 #78

As you point out...that got lost in the discussion.....and thanks KoKo Dec 2013 #84

Wow! What bullshit this headline is cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #80

Always read what's UNDER THE HEADLINE....Makes one Literate. KoKo Dec 2013 #94

I undid my rec of this story. I absolutely like Warren and her position on this is excellent. CreekDog Dec 2013 #102

There is an "actual fight" in the Democratic Party. 99Forever Dec 2013 #124

Speaking of misquoting, don't even say that I was denying the fight between liberals and centrists CreekDog Dec 2013 #125

I'm okay with that. A misread on my part. 99Forever Dec 2013 #127

thanks for saying. CreekDog Dec 2013 #132

Spot on! Phlem Dec 2013 #139

Indeed...and it's early for 2016 since we don't know ..yet how Obama will KoKo Dec 2013 #168

Indeed, so VERY much baggage, growing monthly w/every corporate "contribution"/bribe Divernan Dec 2013 #304

"Creek Dog" ..what do you have a problem with in the article? KoKo Dec 2013 #146

You unrecc'd Koko's DU post because of Eric Zuesse's Common Dreams title? merrily Dec 2013 #184

Are you saying i didn't read beyond the headline? CreekDog Dec 2013 #214

Not at all. As to you, I said (implied strongly) only that I don't understand merrily Dec 2013 #217

I think it's acceptable to unrec based on the wording of the headline vs. the article CreekDog Dec 2013 #234

Obviously, you think that because you said you unrec'd based on the title. merrily Dec 2013 #237

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #104

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2013 #106

Uh-oh! Despite the denials, could we be looking at a Warren/Sanders, or Sanders/Warren ticket? Zorra Dec 2013 #128

You know that's the end of the Democratic party as we know it. Phlem Dec 2013 #136

Ending the party as we currenty know it would not be a bad thing dflprincess Dec 2013 #180

Who was the last liberal head of the Democratic National Committee? merrily Dec 2013 #207

That would Shake Up the Money Trees for Sure! KoKo Dec 2013 #176

Anything is possible, but I'd have a Plan B, just in case that merrily Dec 2013 #193

Why couldn't we have a plan B, C, D, E, F, G.... Phlem Dec 2013 #227

The more plans the better. I just wouldn't make moving the party left in the merrily Dec 2013 #228

Sorry I wasn't replying directly towards your content. Phlem Dec 2013 #229

If there is a candidate that I can enthusiastically vote for I will do it tularetom Dec 2013 #135

Warren is definitely not running. joshcryer Dec 2013 #163

So ...you believe Fracking and Heavy Tar Sands through Pipelines KoKo Dec 2013 #178

You could ask that same question of most Democrats in office today. merrily Dec 2013 #196

The corporate lobby is too powerful. joshcryer Dec 2013 #216

And whose fault is that? merrily Dec 2013 #218

What legislation would reduce the power in this situation? joshcryer Dec 2013 #223

I replied to the post you originally made to me. merrily Dec 2013 #225

I posed that as a possible piece of legislation. joshcryer Dec 2013 #226

No, why would you think that? joshcryer Dec 2013 #208

Nothing screams STATUS QUO! quite like a Clinton. blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #235

Easy for EW to separate from Hillary the Corporatist DINO who pretends to look out for the little people while pocketin $300k+/speech from corporate fatcats. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2013 #240

Not just any corporate cash. Goldman Sachs. anti partisan Dec 2013 #241

Yup, you are spot on. Hillary is a corporate sellout, plain and simple. Surely, we can do better. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2013 #243

121 Recs and a lot of corporate whining. Good to see DU woo me with science Dec 2013 #242

Eye Popping bvar22 Dec 2013 #285

You're in the crowd that is "desperately clutching at Warren..." MADem Dec 2013 #298

MADem tiredtoo Dec 2013 #302

ALL you need to know about Hillary: bvar22 Dec 2013 #309

Wait a minute, you're using an Obama For President advocacy video to put down HRC? MADem Dec 2013 #319

....aaannnnnd, not a word about Hillary's advocacy for the Top 6%, bvar22 Dec 2013 #325

Aaaaaand....not a word about how the OP is a steaming load. MADem Dec 2013 #329

She rejected raising FICA taxes on those making over $97,000/year, her base. bvar22 Dec 2013 #332

You know you're grasping at straws. Here's an easily read link for you. MADem Dec 2013 #335

Video is FOREVER! bvar22 Dec 2013 #343

Yes, it is. MADem Dec 2013 #346

Like Obama, she also pledged to Renegotiate NAFTA. bvar22 Dec 2013 #352

Psst--she didn't get elected, so how's she supposed to do that? MADem Dec 2013 #353

Wow, what a tap dance. The issue here was what did Clinton say? She said she didnt want to raise rhett o rick Dec 2013 #348

Yes, what DOES she say about helping the middle class? MADem Dec 2013 #349

She may not run...she may throw support to Hillary if she's the Nominee... KoKo Dec 2013 #310

Some are beginning to think even without the tanks though.... think Dec 2013 #312

You mention Bernie.... MADem Dec 2013 #320

Oh...indeed I know about "HillPAC" and for years donated to "Emily's List" KoKo Dec 2013 #354

Peace back at you. MADem Dec 2013 #355

Hear, hear!!! Beacool Dec 2013 #315

Ahhh....but we have MORE FACTS at our fingertips and a long history... KoKo Dec 2013 #356

EW is gonna make a big difference in this world, and she's already started. MADem Dec 2013 #361

well....I can understand what you are saying with this... KoKo Dec 2013 #383

I have no problem with that at all. MADem Dec 2013 #384

Still...her Voice for Plain Speak and Honesty...is a Vision KoKo Dec 2013 #388

What people need to do is give her a few friends in the Senate and the House. MADem Dec 2013 #391

Wow. I go off to finish the War on Christmas and this is what happens when I get back? Rex Dec 2013 #357

GEEZE....Fox News is still pushing that "Old Meme?" KoKo Dec 2013 #358

Anyone that believes an ounce of what Foxnews pedals, well you know what I think Koko. Rex Dec 2013 #359

Sorry...that was a rude snark at you on my part. KoKo Dec 2013 #360

No thanks, I don't agree with PACs. Rex Dec 2013 #366

Uh, HILLPAC was disestablished. That was her PAC as a SENATOR, that she created to help MADem Dec 2013 #369

Might be time to send Warren a teeny donation fadedrose Dec 2013 #371

k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #401

I appreciate she is coming down hard against big oil ... ananda Jan 2014 #425