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bvar22

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39. "Lessons from Argentina's economic collapse"
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:14 PM
Dec 2013

This is a 1st Person account written by someone who lived through Argentina's Economic Collapse in 2001.
It is eye opening, very much worth reading.

Lessons from Argentina's economic collapse
Part One

URBAN OR COUNTRY?:
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Of course that those that live in the country and have some land and animals were better prepared food-wise. No need to have several acres full of crops. A few fruit trees, some animals, such as chickens, cows and rabbits, and a small orchard was enough to be light years ahead of those in the cities.

Chickens, eggs and rabbits would provide the proteins, a cow or two for milk and cheese, some vegetables and fruit plants covered the vegetable diet, and some eggs or a rabbit could be traded for flower to make bread and pasta or sugar and salt.

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Those that live in cities, well they have to manage as they can. Since food prices went up about 200%-300%. People would cut expenses wherever they could so they could buy food. Some ate whatever they could, they hunted birds or ate street dogs and cats; others starved.

When it comes to food, cities suck in a crisis. It is usually the lack of food or the impossibility to acquire it that starts the rioting and looting when TSHTF. When it comes to security things get even more complicated.

Forget about shooting those that mean you harm from 300 yards away with your MBR. Leave that notion to armchair commandos and 12 year old kids that pretend to be grown ups on the internet.

Some facts:

1) Those that want to harm you/steal from you don't come with a pirate flag waving over their heads.

2) Neither do they start shooting at you 200 yards away.

3) They wont come riding loud bikes or dressed with their orange, convict just escaped from prison jump suits, so that you can identify them the better. Nor do they all wear chains around their necks and leather jackets. If I had a dollar for each time a person that got robbed told me, "They looked like NORMAL people, dressed better than we are", honestly, I would have enough money for a nice gun. There are exceptions, but don't expect them to dress like in the movies.

4) A man with a wife and two or three kids can't set up a watch. I don't care if you are SEAL, SWAT or John Freaking Rambo, no 6th sense is going to tell you that there is a guy pointing a gun at your back when you are trying to fix the water pump that just broke, or carrying a big heavy bag of dried beans you bought that morning.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/10.08/tshtf1.html




IIRC, he says that gold (especially coins) did remain a medium of exchange,
but guns, ammo, food, medicine, and batteries were more in demand.


The problem with GOLD is that the market is completely manipulated.
There are countries that hoard vast amounts of gold,
and if one of them decides that it is time to Crash the Market for whatever reason,
or if the Big Boys on Wall Street decide it is time for some "Profit Taking",
then it is OVER for every small customer who is buying Gold "as an investment".
Like the Real Estate Bubble Collapse, they will be left Holding-the-Bag.

In 2005, my Wife & I decided on Bubble Proof unspoiled rural land surrounded by National Forest with mild Winters and an on property source of clean drinking water.
We live there now, and grow a good percentage of our own food (veggies, fruits, & berries)
raise chickens, and keep Honey Bees.

We are NOT "Survivalists".
We are just old hippies who have always been attracted to this independent, sustainable, green lifestyle.
We sincerely hope that a collapse does NOT happen
because that would make things harder on us too.

There ARE some "Survivalists" who have moved into this remote area.
They stock up on MREs & guns, and fantasize about the day it will be OK for them to shoot hungry people.
They scare us, and we stay away from them.

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In an "economic apocalypse" pipoman Dec 2013 #1
I have poppy seeds. What will you trade for pain relief? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #31
Fuck gold; stockpile lead if you believe in that shit NickB79 Dec 2013 #2
You can do the Lone Ranger one better and make bullets out of that gold. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #5
But I don't know if it can hold the rifling of the barrel (or even come out) sakabatou Dec 2013 #29
I hate seeing gun nuts take over threads Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #45
Liquor and cigarettes exboyfil Dec 2013 #3
^^^ THIS ^^^ Glassunion Dec 2013 #12
More valuable than gold in a total econ collaspe would be TexasProgresive Dec 2013 #4
This: CrispyQ Dec 2013 #21
Pretty much TexasProgresive Dec 2013 #23
"We are a wretched lot." - yes indeed we are, always have been. ConcernedCanuk Dec 2013 #27
I think I read one of those Ken Follet books when I was really too young to understand it. Iggo Dec 2013 #22
That doesn't ring a bell TexasProgresive Dec 2013 #24
Success! Iggo Dec 2013 #32
Thanks, I will try to get it TexasProgresive Dec 2013 #36
And Pillars of the Earth is especially relevant here JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #41
Yes, that's right. TexasProgresive Dec 2013 #42
there is a video game called Metro 2030. Bullets are used for money... Javaman Dec 2013 #6
Fwiw, based on a series of novels Nevernose Dec 2013 #8
Really? I didn't know that. I will look for them. Thanks! :) nt Javaman Dec 2013 #11
Anyone notice the barrage of gold ads on right-wing radio??? CoffeeCat Dec 2013 #7
I guess you don't listen to progressive radio... former9thward Dec 2013 #9
I listen to NPR... CoffeeCat Dec 2013 #14
I agree fear is the driving factor in these ads. former9thward Dec 2013 #15
I agree that it is essential to be prepared... CoffeeCat Dec 2013 #18
I love The Walking Dead. former9thward Dec 2013 #19
Agreed... CoffeeCat Dec 2013 #20
The zombies are symbolic training for the public so they look at others as subhuman during TeamPooka Dec 2013 #25
Very few people buy gold for the silly scenario given in the OP. former9thward Dec 2013 #10
This PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #16
Lets just say for arguements sake... Xolodno Dec 2013 #13
Glenn Beck has a new freak-out, doomsday warning... CoffeeCat Dec 2013 #17
He's Mormon now. They are big on prepping. nt Ilsa Dec 2013 #43
It wouldn't be useless. dawg Dec 2013 #26
Marvelously useful for when you have to manufacture your own electronics. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #35
one bar of gold for a sip of water frylock Dec 2013 #28
Speaking of gold and financial apocalypse -- T'was the Nightmare Before Christmas Jessy169 Dec 2013 #30
Buy high, sell low, the gold bug's lament and market. The Stupid creating the Rich years Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #33
In an economic apocalypse, alcohol and gas will be the most important commodities. haele Dec 2013 #34
David Marotta in his series of blog posts also mentioned the value of owning firearms ... spin Dec 2013 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #38
"Lessons from Argentina's economic collapse" bvar22 Dec 2013 #39
That was an interesting link... truebrit71 Dec 2013 #40
Toilet paper will be a hot luxury item! nt Ilsa Dec 2013 #44
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