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16. In order to actually intimidate a person with a firearm a responsible gun owner ...

Fri Dec 27, 2013, 06:25 PM

Dec 2013

would have to display it or point it at another person. In Florida, even with a concealed weapons permit this would be considered to be brandishing a weapon and could easily get a person in a world of trouble with law enforcement.

Of course if some fool breaks into my home and I point a firearm at him, I hope he is intimidated and follows my instructions or runs (in which case I will not shoot him).

Of course in some states open carry of firearms in public is legal. I will agree that individuals who carry a rifle or an openly displayed holstered handgun at a political rally may be trying to intimidate others. In my personal opinion doing so makes them look like fools and does little to advance their political agenda. This often occurs at Tea Party gatherings and makes the Tea Party movement look uneducated and dangerous. Since I am not a tea bagger, I don't really care as long as these idiots handle their weapons in a safe manner. It surprises me that the leadership of this movement doesn't discourage such activity. If I lived in a state that allowed open carry and witnessed an individual at a political meeting acting in such a rude manner, I would politely point out that he was making responsible gun owners look bad.

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Gun activist sent 30-round magazine to Conn. Governor for Christmas [View all] RandySF Dec 2013 OP

Another uneducated, racist, militia, "Moron Labe" type gun fancier. Here's his SPLC bio: Hoyt Dec 2013 #1

scary dude.. G_j Dec 2013 #120

I don't recall reading about that, but thanks for the heads-up. CBHagman Dec 2013 #216

is this the right forum? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #2

A 30-round clip sent to the Governor of Connecticut RandySF Dec 2013 #4

never seen a 30 round clip Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #5

Nomenclature police are here to obfuscate. Hoyt Dec 2013 #8

I have often heard experienced gun owners refer to a magazine as a "clip". .... spin Dec 2013 #14

As have I. Paladin Dec 2013 #22

I guess the term "clip" sounds scarier than "magazine" to those who do not understand gun ... spin Dec 2013 #40

They both feed bullets. That's really all that matters except to gun fanciers trying Hoyt Dec 2013 #29

The reason that the AR-15 with a hi-cap magazine is so popular with mass murderers is ... spin Dec 2013 #37

You are only assuming that people buy Jenoch Dec 2013 #83

If I become interested in anything that resembles something that has killed lots of folks Hoyt Dec 2013 #85

I take it you don't drink alcohol or drive a car... beevul Dec 2013 #93

It seems that your prefered weapon, a machete, oneshooter Dec 2013 #97

That's one of the best modern novels ever! sir pball Dec 2013 #140

I've long felt if one is attracted to "assault" weapons, that's enough to take all their gunz away.w Hoyt Dec 2013 #142

Well, I have one out of many. sir pball Dec 2013 #144

Nope. You owe it to other members of society to destroy it and repent your gun love andv Hoyt Dec 2013 #145

You wanna buy it off me? sir pball Dec 2013 #146

No doubt, sniping is an important skill in what gun fanciers think is a war zone. Hoyt Dec 2013 #147

What's the difference between sniping and hunting? sir pball Dec 2013 #148

thats what hunting and target shooting is Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #152

Most gun fanciers are not hunters. Sniping at targets that resemble humans? Hoyt Dec 2013 #156

all I know is MY Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #158

If target shooting is merely practice for shooting people hack89 Dec 2013 #168

"Why are so few people shoot by AR-15s?" rdharma Dec 2013 #189

Feel free to provide a link hack89 Dec 2013 #190

He can't Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #192

... beevul Dec 2013 #173

What's scary is that you actually believe this nonsense. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #186

Yep nt Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #193

The gungeoneers can't provide accurate citations of the law or accurate crime data. rdharma Dec 2013 #194

In 2011, more people were murdered with knives, "hands or feet" or "clubs and hammers" than with any Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #197

Colorado just had another school shooting. Claire Davis died DevonRex Dec 2013 #12

That was a teribble thing to happen. Jenoch Dec 2013 #94

Have you ever seen an automatic pistol? rdharma Dec 2013 #188

Have a Colt 1911, uses magazines Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #195

"Semi-automatic" vs. automatic........ clip vs. magazine............ rdharma Dec 2013 #196

I have and actually fired one several times, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #198

Thank-you for taking the jargon bait! rdharma Dec 2013 #200

Why your quite welcome. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #201

George Zimmerman has one of these. rdharma Dec 2013 #202

GZ is a murderer who got lucky and got away with it Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #203

But he's getting VIP tours though weapons factories! rdharma Dec 2013 #204

Yep Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #206

Yup! Not guilty by a court of law.... rdharma Dec 2013 #210

did you read my post? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #211

so what would you do now? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #212

Yeah, which is sickening and says alot about the manfacturer. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #207

just another reason not to buy their Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #208

+1000. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #209

Not my type Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #205

Pump shotgun, must be manualy reloaded for each shot. oneshooter Dec 2013 #213

bullpup holds 14 rounds Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #214

Cycled or reloaded? rdharma Dec 2013 #217

14 rounds, very high capacity Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #215

Actually it's much higher capacity! rdharma Dec 2013 #218

Doesn't matter, they're wearing off their little fingers furiously alerting kcr Dec 2013 #7

not me Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #10

Discuss it all you want Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #11

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #52

don't do FR Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #66

You going to answer my questions? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #61

no, I am not. because yours is a red herring. bringing something up the OP nor I had mentioned Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #64

you know most gun show purchases do have background checks Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #69

I agree with the overall approach you mention Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #77

Yep, I could go down to a gun show, set up a booth and sell a number of semi-autos Hoyt Dec 2013 #80

If you did that the ATFE would arrest you for "commerce in firearms without a license" oneshooter Dec 2013 #98

Ummmm, no, you can't Hoyt. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #99

How many guns can you sell without an FFL? rdharma Dec 2013 #102

At a gun show? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #104

Cite the law that states that! rdharma Dec 2013 #106

There aren't any specific rules, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #107

So what? rdharma Dec 2013 #108

Great post with facts even all knowing gun fanciers can't dispute. Hoyt Dec 2013 #111

Gun fanciers? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #115

Nope. Which is why I support universal FFL transfers. sir pball Dec 2013 #141

Unfortunately, gun fanciers like to have option of buying and selling in back alley Hoyt Dec 2013 #143

From page 5 of the form 4473 Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #112

Yes, there is a loophole. Folks who are not engaged in business of dealing firearms can sell Hoyt Dec 2013 #121

Now, *there's* some hard evidence-photos with no attribution! friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #131

See post #108 above and you'll see that liquidating your collection is NOT engaging in business. rdharma Dec 2013 #125

So, I can do it. Actually, it's more than 2. I can also sell in the parking lot, or Hoyt Dec 2013 #110

And your point is? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #116

Renchemp, lots of things are legal . . . . . . . but immoral and not good for our society. Hoyt Dec 2013 #118

And until such time as those are made illegal, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #122

they would have more credibility Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #127

The "Gun Show Loophole" is NOT a lie. rdharma Dec 2013 #149

so I can only sell to a private citizen at a GUNSHOW? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #151

No, but a gun show provides a very good platform to conduct your illicit sales! rdharma Dec 2013 #154

private intrastate sales can happen anywhere Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #157

Gun-Control Advocates Drop 'Gun Show Loophole' Talking Point Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #159

Keep pounding your head! "Gun show loophole" provides killers with guns! rdharma Dec 2013 #160

name a couple of those killers? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #162

Those points are real facts..real law...sorry they don't match with your NRA "talking points"! rdharma Dec 2013 #163

It's funny how the biggest pro-rkba folks are also the loudest voices against talking about it in GD Electric Monk Dec 2013 #222

Funny to those against guns perhaps. beevul Dec 2013 #223

Perfect example here. Step right up to the plate. Play up that oppressed victim mentality. nt Electric Monk Dec 2013 #224

Says the poster who proposed the pre-emptive blocking of pro-gun posters from the gun control forum. beevul Dec 2013 #225

Just like I would propose blocking flat-earthers from a forum dedicated to Geology. Yup. nt Electric Monk Dec 2013 #226

Thanks for the confirmation. N/T beevul Dec 2013 #227

Are you saying you'd be in favor of allowing flat-earthers to post in a forum dedicated to geology? Electric Monk Dec 2013 #228

I'm saying that I appreciate your confirmation that you guys block based on identity... beevul Dec 2013 #229

re: "Not.A.Single.One." You're sure about that, are you? Electric Monk Dec 2013 #230

I'm quite certain. Plus, those are not examples. beevul Dec 2013 #231

Schools and churches are perfect example of places where you shouldn't need a gun. nt Electric Monk Dec 2013 #232

Non sequitur. beevul Dec 2013 #233

You're trying to argue that "Everywhere" doesn't include Schools and Churches? Electric Monk Dec 2013 #234

No, I'm arguing that "everywhere" means "everywhere". beevul Dec 2013 #235

"everywhere" does include schools and churches. You fail again. nt Electric Monk Dec 2013 #236

And? The discussion is about your false attribution, not the things covered by "everywhere". beevul Dec 2013 #237

Nope. This is a post about a racist, militia type, who just happens to use gunz to intimidate. Hoyt Dec 2013 #6

Really Hoyt clffrdjk Dec 2013 #9

In order to actually intimidate a person with a firearm a responsible gun owner ... spin Dec 2013 #16

Not true. Take this militia gun fancier. He intimidates by sending hi Cap mags to government offic Hoyt Dec 2013 #19

"not that hard to spot...especially the racist/bigoted ones which make up the majority" friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #25

How can you argue with a master of mass telepsychoanalysis? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #28

Especially one with a large collection of pictures! friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #43

Gun fanciers are by and large, bigots and view minorities as thugs. Not 100%, Hoyt Dec 2013 #30

I have absolutely no idea if Robertson is a racist or not. ... spin Dec 2013 #42

You don't? Seems obvious. Hoyt Dec 2013 #55

He may well be a racist. I simply do not have enough info to from that opinion. spin Dec 2013 #91

*You* made the claim re "most concealed carriers" friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #44

Go to any gun show or store, tell me who is drooling over weapons? Hoyt Dec 2013 #84

I've been to plenty of firearms shows, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #100

pot.kettle.black Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #88

Yep, I am bigoted against those who promote more gunz in more places to detriment of society. Hoyt Dec 2013 #96

"planted axiom" Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #128

An article of faith, not demonstrated by any evidence you have shown friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #130

Hoyt, we know the reason for your animosity towards most gun owners friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #132

You need to read in context. Hope you are more perceptive when drawing your gun. Hoyt Dec 2013 #133

I've read *all* your posts in context. You have a problem with guns... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #134

How about gun addicts? Hoyt Dec 2013 #135

What gun addicts? beevul Dec 2013 #138

Addicts think they have it under control. Hoyt Dec 2013 #139

True-but one cannot diagnose addiction by appearance... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #150

Unlike you I don't find an inanimate object intimidating in the least. ... spin Dec 2013 #31

Unfortunately, Spin, there are a lot of Zimmermans and militia types carrying. To keep you happy, Hoyt Dec 2013 #34

I will agree that there are militia types around. ... spin Dec 2013 #41

Still flogging Robert Bork's theory of "moral harm", Hoyt? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #24

We aren't talking about Robert Bork, we are talking about gun fanciers and the price they make Hoyt Dec 2013 #32

Feh. Issue posturing on a par with the WCTU and Harry J. Anslinger friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #45

I have little fear of others for good reason. ... spin Dec 2013 #46

This is news. It can be inferred that such a move was meant to be a threat to an elected official Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #51

Daily basis? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #58

I'm not that dumb to call humpers out Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #59

you have to know the correct Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #60

I leave that to the Congress and their staff to sort out correct terminology Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #62

I always enjoy some sinking to Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #63

it's shorthand for the obvious worship of guns some have that borders on the phallic Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #65

I just have a few and shoot targets Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #70

when I reference that, I am obviously not including all nor even the majority of gun owners Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #74

Thank you very much for that. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #76

agreed on the broad-brush nonsense Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #78

Hoyt is a hoot Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #79

We need to try to keep gun fanciers laughing. Maybe they will become less callous. Hoyt Dec 2013 #86

Parrot-like repetition of a false dilemma doesn't actually make it true, logical, or even rational. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #89

I've said it before Hoyt, but it bears repeating, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #101

Wayne is that you? nt hack89 Dec 2013 #109

Provides a nice contrast, doesn't it? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #73

IBTL Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #3

They sent a metal box with a spring in it to the Gov? davepc Dec 2013 #13

The horror!!! Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #15

Apparently you overlooked this sicko's SPLC bio. He's your typical uneducated, racist, Hoyt Dec 2013 #20

Does hating him make your day better? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #21

What? You afraid of visiting the SPLC website? Hoyt Dec 2013 #33

Naaah, just have better things to do Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #35

Wouldn't want to read about a racist gun fancier. Hoyt Dec 2013 #36

Caps game is more entertaining Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #39

Here it is, served up especially for you... GReedDiamond Dec 2013 #56

It's not HIS website. RandySF Dec 2013 #92

So you make light of the actions of a person Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #114

I don't give a damn what it is--sender is dangerous. Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #123

That was a waste of a good magazine. (n/t) spin Dec 2013 #17

which happens to fit into a gun perfectly and perfectly hold 30 rounds of ammo Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #50

Well... bobclark86 Dec 2013 #117

the entire raison d'etre of gun nuts is to stick it to libtards.. frylock Dec 2013 #18

Culture warriors love to jerk people's chains friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #23

Gee, what a home-grown hero. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2013 #26

That's a terrific idea! Turbineguy Dec 2013 #27

That was in poor taste hollowdweller Dec 2013 #38

I basically agree with you but ... spin Dec 2013 #47

What you said makes no sense to me hollowdweller Dec 2013 #48

she just poisoned the well for all Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #54

My response was to your comment. ... spin Dec 2013 #90

With you 1000% Mopar151 Dec 2013 #185

yep. a "freedom and liberty" guy living on the government dole. typical swine. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #49

New gun control plan: jeff47 Dec 2013 #53

I really hate when this type of racist rhetoric is used firsttimer Dec 2013 #67

Mr. Vanderboegh believes they are criminals. jeff47 Dec 2013 #68

I don't know who he is firsttimer Dec 2013 #72

I think he is stating a fact. If the bigoted white wing folks arming up thought minotities were Hoyt Dec 2013 #81

He's the guy in this story. jeff47 Dec 2013 #187

Sounds like a threat to me. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #71

I think it could be interpreted that way firsttimer Dec 2013 #75

Kind of like burning a cross on front lawn and waving guns around. Hoyt Dec 2013 #82

Yeah yeah.. Agressive bullies and then when Cha Dec 2013 #87

Nothing says "Peace on Earth" like a 30-round mag pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #95

This Vanderboegh is a dangerous nutjob! rdharma Dec 2013 #103

He is that no doubt. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #105

What a strange article... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #124

He sent a veiled threat of violence. rdharma Dec 2013 #126

The magazines are illegal in the states to which he sent them, RandySF Dec 2013 #129

He sent a magazine to tweak anti-gun politicians. hack89 Dec 2013 #136

Seems so... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #137

How about dragging yourself into present-day reality? Paladin Dec 2013 #165

It could be... But it isn't... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #166

Does "tweak" mean threaten with violence? rdharma Dec 2013 #153

Like I said.... nt hack89 Dec 2013 #155

Like I said..... "Veiled threat of violence." rdharma Dec 2013 #161

No - just pointing out he got the reaction he wanted hack89 Dec 2013 #167

I think we can see which side you are on. rdharma Dec 2013 #169

Left, actually hack89 Dec 2013 #170

But you saw no veiled threat? rdharma Dec 2013 #171

If he had send an actual bullet I would say yes hack89 Dec 2013 #172

It doesn't take "people like me" to make the NRA crazies.... look crazy! rdharma Dec 2013 #174

You play an important part hack89 Dec 2013 #175

Still trying to defend that crazy fug's actions? rdharma Dec 2013 #177

Stop lying hack89 Dec 2013 #178

No such implication was mad by me. rdharma Dec 2013 #180

Your posts back me up hack89 Dec 2013 #182

"laws governing mailing ammo are strict as hell." You're joking...... aren't you? rdharma Dec 2013 #179

Glossing over "all federal, state and local laws"? hack89 Dec 2013 #181

UPS is not the same as USPS. Think about it. n/t oneshooter Dec 2013 #183

Thank-you, oneshooter. rdharma Dec 2013 #184

the article states Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #191

"Now maybe the article is wrong." firsttimer Dec 2013 #199

This cheap hit at Malloy will get him few more votes next year. Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #164

Hopefully, Vanderboegh receives a "do not get out of jail free card" as a "thank-you"! rdharma Dec 2013 #176

Magazine is not ammunition. :-) LibertyAdvocate Dec 2013 #219

Welcome to DU. William769 Dec 2013 #220

Oh, bullshit. RandySF Dec 2013 #221