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78. So I'm a co-conspirator? Otherwise why would they collect my data?

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Stanford Researchers: It Is Trivially Easy to Match Metadata to Real People [View all] xchrom Dec 2013 OP

The only security TPTB are interested in is their own continued control. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #1

k/r marmar Dec 2013 #2

That is not the question nor is it an apt comparison. I can do that too. Anyone can. stevenleser Dec 2013 #3

That's where data-mining programs come in starroute Dec 2013 #4

Which is exactly why this concern about blanket surveillance is nonsense. stevenleser Dec 2013 #5

And that is where the unified law enforcement comes in. zeemike Dec 2013 #13

I find your argument ridiculous dreamnightwind Dec 2013 #42

You are so wrong. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #53

You're no friend of the US Constitution DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #70

That's almost as bad as saying Duer 157099 Dec 2013 #73

There was a time when people, even intelligent ones, thought that it would be impossible to Duer 157099 Dec 2013 #74

Now factor in the ever expanding and increasingly rediculous definitions of "terrorism" LeftyMom Dec 2013 #95

Absurd. treestar Dec 2013 #19

They do target the people they believe are organizers starroute Dec 2013 #23

And yet they could file lawsuits in protest treestar Dec 2013 #30

Many of the arrests worked like this: LeftyMom Dec 2013 #97

Yet no one thought to use video for evidence? randome Dec 2013 #98

They did. Many charges were dismissed that way. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #99

and hence Caretha Dec 2013 #6

And hence, you build a straw man and beat it to death. Right? nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #8

Yes you do Savannahmann Dec 2013 #10

That is not what strawman means. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #11

Piffle Caretha Dec 2013 #15

But you do have the time to target a person and find stuff on him/her that you can use freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #7

Any hacker can do that. Even a fairly untalented one. And you don't need to vacuum up tons of data stevenleser Dec 2013 #9

"Any hacker can do that." freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #12

Exactly. n/t JimDandy Dec 2013 #14

^^strawman argument^^ Caretha Dec 2013 #18

What kind of argument is that? Marr Dec 2013 #57

Someone running for office trying to get dirt on the other treestar Dec 2013 #17

It isn't the agents; it's the folks who run the place. freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #22

How is that going to work? treestar Dec 2013 #27

Not much danger of the cowed person getting anywhere with the media or the courts freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #32

Anyone can get the ear of the media treestar Dec 2013 #49

Are you joking? How would anyone even know they were being targeted? Th1onein Dec 2013 #51

It would have to come out sometime, wouldn't it, or what would be the point treestar Dec 2013 #63

No it need never come out that a person is targeted. riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #67

Treestar, have you heard of the SOD? Th1onein Dec 2013 #79

I don't know what I would do. freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #59

But you know about them treestar Dec 2013 #64

It's from the alternative media that I know their names. freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #69

And I would bet you are not even trying to find treestar Dec 2013 #75

Why should I try to find information to support your argument? freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #77

ROFLMFAO Caretha Dec 2013 #34

Zero substance you have there treestar Dec 2013 #50

If that's the best you can do, you certainly arent very imaginative. I can think of a dozen ways rhett o rick Dec 2013 #45

I don't understand why you defend this. Why do they need all that data in the first place? El_Johns Dec 2013 #80

The answer is yes. Gormy Cuss Dec 2013 #29

Strawman. Of course they dont have time nor inclination to check up on everyone. That's a rhett o rick Dec 2013 #44

+100. And if they don't have "time" now, they'll have the compute time later, when machines get even nilram Dec 2013 #54

+1 Marr Dec 2013 #56

Wait-- so now your argument is not that the data is anonymous, but simply that Marr Dec 2013 #55

I think you've got it. One characteristic of conservatives is that they have FAITH in their rhett o rick Dec 2013 #60

K & R Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #68

LOL, so it is your argument that the NSA having the data is no different than the... Logical Dec 2013 #86

You should explain the difference if you truly believe there is a difference. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #91

Easy. Very easy. RC Dec 2013 #101

Where is the probable cause, that would be the easiest question to answer, the US has had Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #102

You really are a disappointment on this topic. And clueless! nt Logical Dec 2013 #85

Is your argument that they are overwhelmed by too much data? LiberalAndProud Dec 2013 #89

holy f*ck fascisthunter Dec 2013 #96

I would hope so, if they really see a pattern treestar Dec 2013 #16

One more who thinks it's A-Ok Caretha Dec 2013 #20

Are you implying something? treestar Dec 2013 #21

Wasn't implying anything Caretha Dec 2013 #24

Should Those That Support The Desecration Of The 4th Amendment Be Trusted cantbeserious Dec 2013 #25

You are under the assumption that the NSA is working for you. That most likely isnt the case. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #46

You are authoritarian scum PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #26

But you didn't answer my post treestar Dec 2013 #28

Yes, I answered your post PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #33

Americans used to be better than this DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #31

They are not spying on every citizen treestar Dec 2013 #61

This entire idea of them wanting to check on every person is a distraction. Th1onein Dec 2013 #52

Who would be worth targeting? treestar Dec 2013 #62

They have already been targeting protesters. Th1onein Dec 2013 #81

For what? treestar Dec 2013 #82

First of all, you do your argument no good by calling Snowden "Snowjob." Th1onein Dec 2013 #83

You drop the old excuse but continue defending the policy. Marr Dec 2013 #58

Thinking the distinction is silly is silly. gulliver Dec 2013 #35

Maybe radioactive substances should not be controlled, freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #40

I can't tell if people that defend this as being irrelevant Aerows Dec 2013 #36

I'm more worried about how this info will be used against public officials than about freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #41

If, according to some, it's so harmless and benign, why did they keep it secret? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #37

Anyone defending this Aerows Dec 2013 #38

Because Snowden violated the law treestar Dec 2013 #65

So, what has all this spying done for us? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #72

May well be treestar Dec 2013 #76

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #39

Oh no, a phalanx of DU computer experts has assured us that this cannot be done, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #43

If it's useless for catching people then why do they need it to catch bad guys? nt rrneck Dec 2013 #47

What business is it of the government to collect all this metadata about American citizens? neverforget Dec 2013 #48

So they can track co-conspirators after an attack. randome Dec 2013 #66

So I'm a co-conspirator? Otherwise why would they collect my data? neverforget Dec 2013 #78

Because without it, they would need to go hat-in-hand to every telecom in the country. randome Dec 2013 #84

BS, They could get the data almost immediately when needed! nt Logical Dec 2013 #88

How? randome Dec 2013 #90

Law enforcement agencies must comply with the 4th Amendment to the Constitution. neverforget Dec 2013 #93

Where have you been for the past 6 months? randome Dec 2013 #94

Apparently you believe that Smith v Maryland allows the NSA to scoop up all the data of Americans. neverforget Dec 2013 #100

LOL, they got you believing that shit? nt Logical Dec 2013 #87

No kidding. "Please protect me, daddy!". Marr Dec 2013 #92

Some people rather believe in some order Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #103

Perhaps all posting here should realize information can be acquired from blogs, you can Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #71

Highly recommend. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #104