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46. I have little fear of others for good reason. ...

Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:01 PM

Dec 2013

I am armed and have a good amount of experience with shooting handguns both for target shooting and for the more martial art of using a firearm for self defense. (There is a considerable difference similar to the difference between judo and jujitsu.) I also practice "situational awareness" which in 99% of real life incidents will protect a person from being attacked.

Once again I have never known a person with a civilian permit to carry who felt a need to carry a BUG (back up gun) in Florida and I know a fairly large number of people who have concealed weapons permits in my state. Police officers often do carry a BUG but they commonly face far more danger than any civilian.

Carrying a back up gun for a civilian is most likely a idea promoted by the gun industry to increase sales.

I have only known one civilian who carried a handgun in an ankle holster and he was a gun store owner. Using an ankle holster has to be one of the most uncomfortable and least effective ways to carry a concealed handgun.

Criminals and uneducated fools without training are usually the people who leave their house carrying a gun "tucked in their pants". Honest citizens with any understanding of concealed carry use a holster. The criminal knows that being caught with an empty holster after running from the police will lead to a search for the weapon they threw away. Honest citizens with a carry permit do not have to worry about this.

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Gun activist sent 30-round magazine to Conn. Governor for Christmas [View all] RandySF Dec 2013 OP

Another uneducated, racist, militia, "Moron Labe" type gun fancier. Here's his SPLC bio: Hoyt Dec 2013 #1

scary dude.. G_j Dec 2013 #120

I don't recall reading about that, but thanks for the heads-up. CBHagman Dec 2013 #216

is this the right forum? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #2

A 30-round clip sent to the Governor of Connecticut RandySF Dec 2013 #4

never seen a 30 round clip Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #5

Nomenclature police are here to obfuscate. Hoyt Dec 2013 #8

I have often heard experienced gun owners refer to a magazine as a "clip". .... spin Dec 2013 #14

As have I. Paladin Dec 2013 #22

I guess the term "clip" sounds scarier than "magazine" to those who do not understand gun ... spin Dec 2013 #40

They both feed bullets. That's really all that matters except to gun fanciers trying Hoyt Dec 2013 #29

The reason that the AR-15 with a hi-cap magazine is so popular with mass murderers is ... spin Dec 2013 #37

You are only assuming that people buy Jenoch Dec 2013 #83

If I become interested in anything that resembles something that has killed lots of folks Hoyt Dec 2013 #85

I take it you don't drink alcohol or drive a car... beevul Dec 2013 #93

It seems that your prefered weapon, a machete, oneshooter Dec 2013 #97

That's one of the best modern novels ever! sir pball Dec 2013 #140

I've long felt if one is attracted to "assault" weapons, that's enough to take all their gunz away.w Hoyt Dec 2013 #142

Well, I have one out of many. sir pball Dec 2013 #144

Nope. You owe it to other members of society to destroy it and repent your gun love andv Hoyt Dec 2013 #145

You wanna buy it off me? sir pball Dec 2013 #146

No doubt, sniping is an important skill in what gun fanciers think is a war zone. Hoyt Dec 2013 #147

What's the difference between sniping and hunting? sir pball Dec 2013 #148

thats what hunting and target shooting is Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #152

Most gun fanciers are not hunters. Sniping at targets that resemble humans? Hoyt Dec 2013 #156

all I know is MY Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #158

If target shooting is merely practice for shooting people hack89 Dec 2013 #168

"Why are so few people shoot by AR-15s?" rdharma Dec 2013 #189

Feel free to provide a link hack89 Dec 2013 #190

He can't Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #192

... beevul Dec 2013 #173

What's scary is that you actually believe this nonsense. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #186

Yep nt Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #193

The gungeoneers can't provide accurate citations of the law or accurate crime data. rdharma Dec 2013 #194

In 2011, more people were murdered with knives, "hands or feet" or "clubs and hammers" than with any Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #197

Colorado just had another school shooting. Claire Davis died DevonRex Dec 2013 #12

That was a teribble thing to happen. Jenoch Dec 2013 #94

Have you ever seen an automatic pistol? rdharma Dec 2013 #188

Have a Colt 1911, uses magazines Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #195

"Semi-automatic" vs. automatic........ clip vs. magazine............ rdharma Dec 2013 #196

I have and actually fired one several times, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #198

Thank-you for taking the jargon bait! rdharma Dec 2013 #200

Why your quite welcome. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #201

George Zimmerman has one of these. rdharma Dec 2013 #202

GZ is a murderer who got lucky and got away with it Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #203

But he's getting VIP tours though weapons factories! rdharma Dec 2013 #204

Yep Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #206

Yup! Not guilty by a court of law.... rdharma Dec 2013 #210

did you read my post? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #211

so what would you do now? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #212

Yeah, which is sickening and says alot about the manfacturer. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #207

just another reason not to buy their Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #208

+1000. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #209

Not my type Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #205

Pump shotgun, must be manualy reloaded for each shot. oneshooter Dec 2013 #213

bullpup holds 14 rounds Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #214

Cycled or reloaded? rdharma Dec 2013 #217

14 rounds, very high capacity Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #215

Actually it's much higher capacity! rdharma Dec 2013 #218

Doesn't matter, they're wearing off their little fingers furiously alerting kcr Dec 2013 #7

not me Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #10

Discuss it all you want Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #11

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #52

don't do FR Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #66

You going to answer my questions? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #61

no, I am not. because yours is a red herring. bringing something up the OP nor I had mentioned Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #64

you know most gun show purchases do have background checks Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #69

I agree with the overall approach you mention Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #77

Yep, I could go down to a gun show, set up a booth and sell a number of semi-autos Hoyt Dec 2013 #80

If you did that the ATFE would arrest you for "commerce in firearms without a license" oneshooter Dec 2013 #98

Ummmm, no, you can't Hoyt. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #99

How many guns can you sell without an FFL? rdharma Dec 2013 #102

At a gun show? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #104

Cite the law that states that! rdharma Dec 2013 #106

There aren't any specific rules, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #107

So what? rdharma Dec 2013 #108

Great post with facts even all knowing gun fanciers can't dispute. Hoyt Dec 2013 #111

Gun fanciers? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #115

Nope. Which is why I support universal FFL transfers. sir pball Dec 2013 #141

Unfortunately, gun fanciers like to have option of buying and selling in back alley Hoyt Dec 2013 #143

From page 5 of the form 4473 Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #112

Yes, there is a loophole. Folks who are not engaged in business of dealing firearms can sell Hoyt Dec 2013 #121

Now, *there's* some hard evidence-photos with no attribution! friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #131

See post #108 above and you'll see that liquidating your collection is NOT engaging in business. rdharma Dec 2013 #125

So, I can do it. Actually, it's more than 2. I can also sell in the parking lot, or Hoyt Dec 2013 #110

And your point is? Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #116

Renchemp, lots of things are legal . . . . . . . but immoral and not good for our society. Hoyt Dec 2013 #118

And until such time as those are made illegal, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #122

they would have more credibility Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #127

The "Gun Show Loophole" is NOT a lie. rdharma Dec 2013 #149

so I can only sell to a private citizen at a GUNSHOW? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #151

No, but a gun show provides a very good platform to conduct your illicit sales! rdharma Dec 2013 #154

private intrastate sales can happen anywhere Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #157

Gun-Control Advocates Drop 'Gun Show Loophole' Talking Point Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #159

Keep pounding your head! "Gun show loophole" provides killers with guns! rdharma Dec 2013 #160

name a couple of those killers? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #162

Those points are real facts..real law...sorry they don't match with your NRA "talking points"! rdharma Dec 2013 #163

It's funny how the biggest pro-rkba folks are also the loudest voices against talking about it in GD Electric Monk Dec 2013 #222

Funny to those against guns perhaps. beevul Dec 2013 #223

Perfect example here. Step right up to the plate. Play up that oppressed victim mentality. nt Electric Monk Dec 2013 #224

Says the poster who proposed the pre-emptive blocking of pro-gun posters from the gun control forum. beevul Dec 2013 #225

Just like I would propose blocking flat-earthers from a forum dedicated to Geology. Yup. nt Electric Monk Dec 2013 #226

Thanks for the confirmation. N/T beevul Dec 2013 #227

Are you saying you'd be in favor of allowing flat-earthers to post in a forum dedicated to geology? Electric Monk Dec 2013 #228

I'm saying that I appreciate your confirmation that you guys block based on identity... beevul Dec 2013 #229

re: "Not.A.Single.One." You're sure about that, are you? Electric Monk Dec 2013 #230

I'm quite certain. Plus, those are not examples. beevul Dec 2013 #231

Schools and churches are perfect example of places where you shouldn't need a gun. nt Electric Monk Dec 2013 #232

Non sequitur. beevul Dec 2013 #233

You're trying to argue that "Everywhere" doesn't include Schools and Churches? Electric Monk Dec 2013 #234

No, I'm arguing that "everywhere" means "everywhere". beevul Dec 2013 #235

"everywhere" does include schools and churches. You fail again. nt Electric Monk Dec 2013 #236

And? The discussion is about your false attribution, not the things covered by "everywhere". beevul Dec 2013 #237

Nope. This is a post about a racist, militia type, who just happens to use gunz to intimidate. Hoyt Dec 2013 #6

Really Hoyt clffrdjk Dec 2013 #9

In order to actually intimidate a person with a firearm a responsible gun owner ... spin Dec 2013 #16

Not true. Take this militia gun fancier. He intimidates by sending hi Cap mags to government offic Hoyt Dec 2013 #19

"not that hard to spot...especially the racist/bigoted ones which make up the majority" friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #25

How can you argue with a master of mass telepsychoanalysis? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #28

Especially one with a large collection of pictures! friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #43

Gun fanciers are by and large, bigots and view minorities as thugs. Not 100%, Hoyt Dec 2013 #30

I have absolutely no idea if Robertson is a racist or not. ... spin Dec 2013 #42

You don't? Seems obvious. Hoyt Dec 2013 #55

He may well be a racist. I simply do not have enough info to from that opinion. spin Dec 2013 #91

*You* made the claim re "most concealed carriers" friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #44

Go to any gun show or store, tell me who is drooling over weapons? Hoyt Dec 2013 #84

I've been to plenty of firearms shows, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #100

pot.kettle.black Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #88

Yep, I am bigoted against those who promote more gunz in more places to detriment of society. Hoyt Dec 2013 #96

"planted axiom" Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #128

An article of faith, not demonstrated by any evidence you have shown friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #130

Hoyt, we know the reason for your animosity towards most gun owners friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #132

You need to read in context. Hope you are more perceptive when drawing your gun. Hoyt Dec 2013 #133

I've read *all* your posts in context. You have a problem with guns... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #134

How about gun addicts? Hoyt Dec 2013 #135

What gun addicts? beevul Dec 2013 #138

Addicts think they have it under control. Hoyt Dec 2013 #139

True-but one cannot diagnose addiction by appearance... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #150

Unlike you I don't find an inanimate object intimidating in the least. ... spin Dec 2013 #31

Unfortunately, Spin, there are a lot of Zimmermans and militia types carrying. To keep you happy, Hoyt Dec 2013 #34

I will agree that there are militia types around. ... spin Dec 2013 #41

Still flogging Robert Bork's theory of "moral harm", Hoyt? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #24

We aren't talking about Robert Bork, we are talking about gun fanciers and the price they make Hoyt Dec 2013 #32

Feh. Issue posturing on a par with the WCTU and Harry J. Anslinger friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #45

I have little fear of others for good reason. ... spin Dec 2013 #46

This is news. It can be inferred that such a move was meant to be a threat to an elected official Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #51

Daily basis? Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #58

I'm not that dumb to call humpers out Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #59

you have to know the correct Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #60

I leave that to the Congress and their staff to sort out correct terminology Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #62

I always enjoy some sinking to Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #63

it's shorthand for the obvious worship of guns some have that borders on the phallic Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #65

I just have a few and shoot targets Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #70

when I reference that, I am obviously not including all nor even the majority of gun owners Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #74

Thank you very much for that. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #76

agreed on the broad-brush nonsense Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #78

Hoyt is a hoot Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #79

We need to try to keep gun fanciers laughing. Maybe they will become less callous. Hoyt Dec 2013 #86

Parrot-like repetition of a false dilemma doesn't actually make it true, logical, or even rational. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #89

I've said it before Hoyt, but it bears repeating, Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #101

Wayne is that you? nt hack89 Dec 2013 #109

Provides a nice contrast, doesn't it? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #73

IBTL Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #3

They sent a metal box with a spring in it to the Gov? davepc Dec 2013 #13

The horror!!! Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #15

Apparently you overlooked this sicko's SPLC bio. He's your typical uneducated, racist, Hoyt Dec 2013 #20

Does hating him make your day better? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #21

What? You afraid of visiting the SPLC website? Hoyt Dec 2013 #33

Naaah, just have better things to do Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #35

Wouldn't want to read about a racist gun fancier. Hoyt Dec 2013 #36

Caps game is more entertaining Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #39

Here it is, served up especially for you... GReedDiamond Dec 2013 #56

It's not HIS website. RandySF Dec 2013 #92

So you make light of the actions of a person Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #114

I don't give a damn what it is--sender is dangerous. Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #123

That was a waste of a good magazine. (n/t) spin Dec 2013 #17

which happens to fit into a gun perfectly and perfectly hold 30 rounds of ammo Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #50

Well... bobclark86 Dec 2013 #117

the entire raison d'etre of gun nuts is to stick it to libtards.. frylock Dec 2013 #18

Culture warriors love to jerk people's chains friendly_iconoclast Dec 2013 #23

Gee, what a home-grown hero. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2013 #26

That's a terrific idea! Turbineguy Dec 2013 #27

That was in poor taste hollowdweller Dec 2013 #38

I basically agree with you but ... spin Dec 2013 #47

What you said makes no sense to me hollowdweller Dec 2013 #48

she just poisoned the well for all Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #54

My response was to your comment. ... spin Dec 2013 #90

With you 1000% Mopar151 Dec 2013 #185

yep. a "freedom and liberty" guy living on the government dole. typical swine. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #49

New gun control plan: jeff47 Dec 2013 #53

I really hate when this type of racist rhetoric is used firsttimer Dec 2013 #67

Mr. Vanderboegh believes they are criminals. jeff47 Dec 2013 #68

I don't know who he is firsttimer Dec 2013 #72

I think he is stating a fact. If the bigoted white wing folks arming up thought minotities were Hoyt Dec 2013 #81

He's the guy in this story. jeff47 Dec 2013 #187

Sounds like a threat to me. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #71

I think it could be interpreted that way firsttimer Dec 2013 #75

Kind of like burning a cross on front lawn and waving guns around. Hoyt Dec 2013 #82

Yeah yeah.. Agressive bullies and then when Cha Dec 2013 #87

Nothing says "Peace on Earth" like a 30-round mag pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #95

This Vanderboegh is a dangerous nutjob! rdharma Dec 2013 #103

He is that no doubt. Ranchemp. Dec 2013 #105

What a strange article... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #124

He sent a veiled threat of violence. rdharma Dec 2013 #126

The magazines are illegal in the states to which he sent them, RandySF Dec 2013 #129

He sent a magazine to tweak anti-gun politicians. hack89 Dec 2013 #136

Seems so... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #137

How about dragging yourself into present-day reality? Paladin Dec 2013 #165

It could be... But it isn't... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #166

Does "tweak" mean threaten with violence? rdharma Dec 2013 #153

Like I said.... nt hack89 Dec 2013 #155

Like I said..... "Veiled threat of violence." rdharma Dec 2013 #161

No - just pointing out he got the reaction he wanted hack89 Dec 2013 #167

I think we can see which side you are on. rdharma Dec 2013 #169

Left, actually hack89 Dec 2013 #170

But you saw no veiled threat? rdharma Dec 2013 #171

If he had send an actual bullet I would say yes hack89 Dec 2013 #172

It doesn't take "people like me" to make the NRA crazies.... look crazy! rdharma Dec 2013 #174

You play an important part hack89 Dec 2013 #175

Still trying to defend that crazy fug's actions? rdharma Dec 2013 #177

Stop lying hack89 Dec 2013 #178

No such implication was mad by me. rdharma Dec 2013 #180

Your posts back me up hack89 Dec 2013 #182

"laws governing mailing ammo are strict as hell." You're joking...... aren't you? rdharma Dec 2013 #179

Glossing over "all federal, state and local laws"? hack89 Dec 2013 #181

UPS is not the same as USPS. Think about it. n/t oneshooter Dec 2013 #183

Thank-you, oneshooter. rdharma Dec 2013 #184

the article states Duckhunter935 Dec 2013 #191

"Now maybe the article is wrong." firsttimer Dec 2013 #199

This cheap hit at Malloy will get him few more votes next year. Dawson Leery Dec 2013 #164

Hopefully, Vanderboegh receives a "do not get out of jail free card" as a "thank-you"! rdharma Dec 2013 #176

Magazine is not ammunition. :-) LibertyAdvocate Dec 2013 #219

Welcome to DU. William769 Dec 2013 #220

Oh, bullshit. RandySF Dec 2013 #221