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etherealtruth

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17. Hmmm, that flies in the face of other research

Fri Dec 27, 2013, 11:27 PM

Dec 2013

Of course a college educated woman should make more than a cohort that graduated high school or dropped out of high school. ... but, when comparing similar education and experience the outcome is far less positive for women.

http://www.seattlemet.com/news-and-profiles/publicola/articles/on-equal-pay-day-women-still-make-77-cents-to-mens-dollar

"And women aren't just earning less than men overall; they're earning less working the exact same jobs. A study by the Institute for Women’s Policy Research concluded that nationally men earn more in nearly every occupation, even those where a majority of positions are held by women. Of the 20 jobs most commonly held by women, women earned more than men in just one---bookkeeping, where women earn 100.3 percent of what men earn. The pay disparity starts right at the beginning of a woman's career. According to a recent study by the American Association of University Women, recent female college graduates made just 80 percent of their male counterparts' salaries. "

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A question about the gender wage gap. [View all] rrneck Dec 2013 OP

As woman in the computer field for many, many years, I can say this - SharonAnn Dec 2013 #1

Well, if it makes you feel any better rrneck Dec 2013 #9

The wage gap exists as an artifact of the greater cultural gender power structure. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #2

Women may be of less value in the world that we have designed. rrneck Dec 2013 #10

According to the AAUW and the department of labor lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #3

An important question to ask might then be rrneck Dec 2013 #11

supply and demand lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #12

Wall Street's full of people who make a ton of money doing sit down work. rrneck Dec 2013 #13

I don't claim that this is the only dimension. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #25

I agree that there any number of contributing factors in any pay disparity. rrneck Dec 2013 #52

That doesn't make any sense Matariki Dec 2013 #95

Was he their boss? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #98

No. I think he did accounting. Matariki Dec 2013 #108

Another question to ask might be why positions traditionally held by women pay less Matariki Dec 2013 #94

An exceptionally good question. nt rrneck Dec 2013 #96

Why do women seek low paying careers? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #99

Another very good question. rrneck Dec 2013 #100

Sooo... people who seek careers in teaching or social work aren't primarily motivated by money? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #101

Not motivate as much by money rrneck Dec 2013 #102

It'd be interesting to see how investment bankers spend their leisure time. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #103

I listened to the interview of a biographer rrneck Dec 2013 #105

Because those are valuable fields that actually contribute something. Matariki Dec 2013 #104

It's hard to sell the concept of investment banking short rrneck Dec 2013 #106

A lot of people apparently agree. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #107

that Slate "article" you linked to is bullshit Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #34

I find arguments that actually include arguments to be more compelling than "that's bullshit!". lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #72

I listed reasons for calling it bullshit. you choose to ignore them in your response Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #74

It's a career that is open to women now. Why don't women choose to do it? n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #79

She's stupid because she's a female? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #87

I think it's multifaceted Proud Public Servant Dec 2013 #4

Single, young, childless women earn 8% on average more than their male peers Major Nikon Dec 2013 #8

Very, very interesting. Thanks! (nt) Proud Public Servant Dec 2013 #15

Hmmm, that flies in the face of other research etherealtruth Dec 2013 #17

Hardly Major Nikon Dec 2013 #22

that flies in the face of these studies etherealtruth Dec 2013 #24

Not "studies", study. Everything you posted is from AAUW. Major Nikon Dec 2013 #28

I was using the info from the links you provided and expanded on etherealtruth Dec 2013 #30

If you actually read your links you'll find it all comes from the same source which is the AAUW. Major Nikon Dec 2013 #32

Did you read the links ... ? It does not appear so ...? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #36

When you read the fine print they state the aggregate difference of the unexplained portion is 7% Major Nikon Dec 2013 #38

You appear very heavily invested in believing that there is not gender discrimination etherealtruth Dec 2013 #46

That was never my claim Major Nikon Dec 2013 #50

All of it etherealtruth Dec 2013 #58

This just proves you have a poor understanding of the subject Major Nikon Dec 2013 #59

Really etherealtruth Dec 2013 #65

Did you actually read the study? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #70

Very frightened etherealtruth Dec 2013 #76

Nobody is disputing there's a raw pay gap Major Nikon Dec 2013 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Dec 2013 #86

here is even more information that disputes what you have posted etherealtruth Dec 2013 #29

You aren't contradicting me Major Nikon Dec 2013 #31

It should be more than that considering how more educated they are! bettyellen Dec 2013 #18

In some markets it's as high as 20% Major Nikon Dec 2013 #19

I saw that- there was a few conditions that create a bad job market for bettyellen Dec 2013 #21

How do you know they aren't? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #23

You did read the article that the increase evaporates at age 30.... bettyellen Dec 2013 #39

Which is around the same age they start getting married and have children Major Nikon Dec 2013 #41

You think women should be penalized for taking maternity leave? bettyellen Dec 2013 #45

Pfft. I took paternity leave myself with my last child Major Nikon Dec 2013 #56

That's another question you dodged - bettyellen Dec 2013 #82

The answer to your question is... Major Nikon Dec 2013 #83

Yes. Workers tend to be penalized for not working. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #75

You with the 60% of wealth stat? Ha ha- where'd you get this nonsense bettyellen Dec 2013 #84

... Major Nikon Dec 2013 #97

The first company to hire all women will bankrupt all competitors cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #5

Add to that the wisdom my mom laid on me many years ago xulamaude Dec 2013 #6

If this were true business would have figured it out a long time ago Major Nikon Dec 2013 #16

If the almighty dollar was everything African Americans would not have the high bettyellen Dec 2013 #20

There's an even larger reverse gender pay gap between people of color starting out Major Nikon Dec 2013 #26

Ha ha. Studies show pay discrimination against women bettyellen Dec 2013 #33

... Major Nikon Dec 2013 #35

Some people are heavily invested in denying sexism (in this case) etherealtruth Dec 2013 #37

Tell me about it- completely misrepresenting the article is a desperate move. bettyellen Dec 2013 #40

Of course they are etherealtruth Dec 2013 #48

"completely misrepresenting the article" Major Nikon Dec 2013 #80

Some also want to get personal when their intellectual arguments fail Major Nikon Dec 2013 #64

Oh my are you attempting to get "personal"? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #67

"Some people are heavily invested in denying sexism" Major Nikon Dec 2013 #73

Gee, I kinda thought I might get the xulamaude Dec 2013 #43

It would be Major Nikon Dec 2013 #47

You got that I was making a joke xulamaude Dec 2013 #51

Perhaps you should tell that to bettyellen Major Nikon Dec 2013 #53

Bettyellen has her own thing going on. xulamaude Dec 2013 #54

And what would that be exactly? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #57

As I said, she has her own thing going on xulamaude Dec 2013 #63

Must be one of those things that's beyond the scope of reason Major Nikon Dec 2013 #66

Cute, Nikon. And end run around xulamaude Dec 2013 #68

Happy New Year Major Nikon Dec 2013 #71

Yet very few companies hire a majority of women EC Dec 2013 #7

I have had the privilege of overhearing a bunch of women discussing their female boss. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #77

I know that I work in a predominantly male field ("a science and engineering" field) etherealtruth Dec 2013 #14

I have heard both things- can't hire or pay women because they'll just bettyellen Dec 2013 #44

Here's some homework for you Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #27

I wanted to know what DUers thought. rrneck Dec 2013 #42

Its a really rude night on DU etherealtruth Dec 2013 #49

Aw, I'm used to it. rrneck Dec 2013 #55

Jury results forthcoming... aikoaiko Dec 2013 #60

This should be interesting. nt rrneck Dec 2013 #61

And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Dec 2013 #62

Only on DU can you get in trouble rrneck Dec 2013 #69

Ridculous alert. Smart jury. (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #78

Second jury results are in: sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #89

I wonder if I should solicit a list rrneck Dec 2013 #92

Love the alert note. ElboRuum Dec 2013 #91

You would think that after YEARS of people trying to tell them that their methods of discussing sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #93

Having children along with gender roles are the problem davidn3600 Dec 2013 #81

That dynamic points to the way our culture is structured. rrneck Dec 2013 #88

that's why Union is good Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #85