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JDPriestly

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70. As I understand it, Snowden tried to connect with people besides or before Greenwald

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:02 AM

Dec 2013

about the documents but that those people did not respond or assist him. I don't have the impression that Greenwald was the first person that Snowden tried to contact. I have the impression from what I have read that Greenwald was the first to reciprocate Snowden's contact. Greenwald and Poitras. As I understand it, Poitras had been stopped at airports and had problems having her computer checked when coming into the country. Greenwald, of course, lives with his partner/husband (I'm not sure which.) in Brazil. Again, it is my impression that Greenwald has not been able to bring his partner/husband into the US. It may be that the US is more welcoming to same sex partners than they were a few years ago. I don't know about that. But I think it is unfair to accuse Greenwald of somehow stealing the show. I think he was just the first or among a very few who welcomed Snowden's attempts to come forward.

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Greenwaldian physics [View all] Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 OP

Ben Franklin was a traitor! MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #1

there is so much to be admired about how Ben Franklin handled it that it puts Snowden/Greenwald Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #2

not to mention iamthebandfanman Dec 2013 #49

thanks for adding that Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #51

I posted this just above your post. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #60

Ben Franklin didn't flee the scene and ask to be held unaccountable for his decisions Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #64

I disagree. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #82

+1 nt Progressive dog Dec 2013 #121

Funny, he didn't exactly present himself to the British for prosecution either. Pholus Dec 2013 #126

those who criticize Snowden are sycophants? treestar Dec 2013 #128

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Dec 2013 #141

He was not an American. The United States and America did not yet exist. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #57

he was an American in the sense tha the colonies had limited self-rule Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #61

He was a British citizen who owed his loyalty, his fealty to the British King. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #66

you mean the German-English king? who was a bit mad? Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #69

But he was the king. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #81

So what? truebluegreen Dec 2013 #137

Founding Fathers admitted they could be hung as traitors treestar Dec 2013 #129

And why should he? anti partisan Dec 2013 #134

Because he has been charged with the crime treestar Dec 2013 #135

Sidestepping the issue of morality completely anti partisan Dec 2013 #138

Well he was, to Britain treestar Dec 2013 #127

The link at the bottom is actually interesting. Pholus Dec 2013 #3

agreed about the link being a good one. I'll be referring to that site more often Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #5

Other newspapers and news magazines including the Washington Post, the NY Times JDPriestly Dec 2013 #74

Yes, and they went about it in more upright ways with informants Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #78

As I understand it, Snowden tried to connect with people besides or before Greenwald JDPriestly Dec 2013 #70

that's one mythology in circulation Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #83

Funny what is considered hard fact Hissyspit Dec 2013 #106

that was many months after Snowden's first contact with Greenwald Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #107

Yeah, I know. Poster said "contact people besides ... Greenwald." Hissyspit Dec 2013 #109

You've noticed the intent has never been to have a fair discussion. Pholus Dec 2013 #119

Thanks. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #120

It is a corruption of what supposedly the strength of America was. Pholus Dec 2013 #123

Wouldn't it be nice Aerows Dec 2013 #4

Greenwald is a libertarian. That's why he spoke at the CATO institute Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #8

You can tell a libertarian neighborhood by how shitty their streets are Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #9

Ironic how some people are so inclined to bash Greenwald... anti partisan Dec 2013 #12

he's clearly a libertarian. I'm sorry you cannot see that. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #20

Greenwald is NOT a libertarian. Why do people keep spreading disinformation? anti partisan Dec 2013 #11

It's been refuted a million times, but foaming haters are impervious to fact n/t whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #14

Perhaps you're right. Greenwald isn't a libertarian, he's a republican Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #22

More slander? anti partisan Dec 2013 #28

Your deliberate misinformation has been successfully refuted multiple times in the past. Maedhros Dec 2013 #55

Greenwald is one of the best journalists we have in this country right now. While he was trashing sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #71

Great points! anti partisan Dec 2013 #87

... SidDithers Dec 2013 #90

+1000 U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #93

Plenty of Democrats have spoke at CATO. But you already knew that. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #26

Did they write white paper for them? Go to the donor's benefit dinner? Greenwald did. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #139

Bullshit. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #95

So did Ron Wyden. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #124

That doesn't negate my point Aerows Dec 2013 #142

Another flaming bag on the doorstep whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #6

try reading the article link Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #7

No. I agree. That the flaming bag happens to contain... Pholus Dec 2013 #10

DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2013 #13

The 'right' people are pissed off enough at Greenwald that they sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #130

Too funny... SidDithers Dec 2013 #131

It would be funny if it wasn't actually happening anti partisan Dec 2013 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #15

Freerepublic? (nt) anti partisan Dec 2013 #16

He's a Me-wing journalist Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #17

Very informative post anti partisan Dec 2013 #18

I just like comedy. And Brian Regan as well as Glenn Greenwald are sheer comedy Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #21

it's not a slang. I'm a progressive in EVERY SINGLE test I take on the issue. the point is... Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #41

make a substantive argument somewhere. anywwhere on this thread.. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #44

Don't try to kill the messenger. JDPriestly Dec 2013 #76

I'm trying to expose a charlatan Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #79

In what sense do you think he is a "shape shifter"? JDPriestly Dec 2013 #80

Ah, the same wing as you, then. Union Scribe Dec 2013 #91

because you only notice those. I post on many subjects Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #94

Left wing journalist? Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #27

Greenwald had his lips planted firmly on GWB's behind Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #33

Yes Indeed. Lets ignore the 3 books her wrote criticizing GWB's behind. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #111

In his career as a journalist anti partisan Dec 2013 #30

He's a libertarian, which is not compatible with being a "left wing journalist." pnwmom Dec 2013 #34

GG supports far-right beliefs like single payer healthcare and massively increased social spending anti partisan Dec 2013 #40

How many other writers from the libertarian Cato Institute do you follow? pnwmom Dec 2013 #45

He's not FROM the libertarian CATO Institute anti partisan Dec 2013 #50

nowhere does Greenwald actually say he supports single payer Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #47

Are you really being serious? (nt) anti partisan Dec 2013 #62

Libertarians are NOT left wing or progressive. pnwmom Dec 2013 #32

As Glenn Greenwald is demonstrably not a libertarian, whom are you referring to? (nt) anti partisan Dec 2013 #35

He's demonstrably a journalist who writes for the libertarian Cato Institute. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #38

Have you read what he has written for the CATO institute? anti partisan Dec 2013 #46

you mean he's a lawyer who decided to write fiction like John Grisham. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #88

I actually find his article quite factual, as it is based in facts. (nt) anti partisan Dec 2013 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #37

He's a journalist who writes for the libertarian Cato Institute. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #39

The stance he took in his article for the CATO institute would be considered left-wing anti partisan Dec 2013 #48

Libertarians are a weird combination of left and right wing beliefs. pnwmom Dec 2013 #73

I know what a libertarian is, but Glenn Greenwald is not one. anti partisan Dec 2013 #84

He's accepted their dirty money and lent his name and reputation to them. n/t pnwmom Dec 2013 #86

I'd do the same as Glenn had. It's about supporting a single cause, not the think tank. anti partisan Dec 2013 #89

undoubtedly that's why he performed at their donor's benefit gathering and defended Citizens United Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #105

More misleading slander anti partisan Dec 2013 #112

My my.. you're getting them flustered! Cha Dec 2013 #63

If a wacky letter to the editor is all you got, you ain't got nothing at all (nt) anti partisan Dec 2013 #68

Playing "gotcha" with a letter from some nitwit who doesn't understand what a civil libertarian is TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #143

OMG how dare you say something nasty about Greenwald davidpdx Dec 2013 #25

lol. yeah. it's weird all the low count posters here on this thread. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #52

Newbies, surely...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #75

You mean like.. Cha Dec 2013 #67

Nonsense. But you know that. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #97

I'm referring to those calling DUers shills for daring to criticize him davidpdx Dec 2013 #118

Though emoprogs profoundly lack a sense of humor... OilemFirchen Dec 2013 #122

More nonsense. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #29

So we're not the only ones(those of us on Cha Dec 2013 #36

thank you for your link as well. WOW! all I can say is.. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #42

Like I say.. Cha Dec 2013 #54

from your lips to the Voters' ears!! let's turn the country blue Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #59

It's good to know that you accept a letter to the editor as fact at face value anti partisan Dec 2013 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #53

''When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are ruled by criminals.'' ~Anon DeSwiss Dec 2013 #56

what crime was exposed? Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #72

A crime that was recently ruled unconstitutional by a federal judge. PoliticalPothead Dec 2013 #101

federal judge ruled differently. and if it makes it to supreme court Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #102

Kill the messenger...how original. nt U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #58

Exposing a charlatan. How original. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #65

charlatans tell lies (like the NSA and politicians) and whistlblowers expose uncomfotable truths. U4ikLefty Dec 2013 #85

Here's Greenwald speaking at the Socialism 2013 Conference in Chicago RufusTFirefly Dec 2013 #77

he spoke via skype from Brazil about the Snowden Affair Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #96

What does him talking about marijuana at Cato have to do with anything? Hissyspit Dec 2013 #98

oh but he did so much more for Cato than that. Don't let Greenwald's own humility/deceit fool you Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #104

I saw all that when it was first posted months and months ago. Hissyspit Dec 2013 #108

"ultra progressive extreme group like socialists" shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #99

I really hope you get paid for this. Marr Dec 2013 #100

I'm not getting paid for this. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #103

A very very very patient one LiberalLovinLug Dec 2013 #110

Ad Hominem Attacks - The Worst Of The Logical Fallacies cantbeserious Dec 2013 #113

I call it the Double Fallacy Attack anti partisan Dec 2013 #114

Best To Keep Calling Them Out - Other Members Might Catch On And End The Logical Non Sense cantbeserious Dec 2013 #115

You're a little unhinged tonight, spittle flying and everything. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #116

117 replies and only 8 thought it was worth Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #117

It's a thread whose only message is "I personally hate Glenn Greenwald" DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #136

News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising. Lord Northcliffe Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #125

Alright, alright, you can be a simple-minded Manichean, too. WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #133