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ElboRuum

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91. Love the alert note.

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:25 PM

Dec 2013

"this is the kind of thing that makes du suck for half the population"

I realize that this is alert is just histrionic glibbitude, hyperbole for effect and whatnot. But last I heard, the preponderance of DU was female, so technically this makes DU suck for much more than half of the DU population.

However, if we must get this perfectly and exactly right, it sucks for a handful of people who simply don't get the fact that bullying isn't cool, admirable, or acceptable. It is boggling that they continue to be mystified time and time again that people simply won't let them dictate the terms of discourse on DU, specifically with regards to gender issues and concerns, and even more specifically what can be talked about, how it can be talked about, and when that all goes predictably wrong with these attempts at control and people say "hey, I don't agree with you on that", WHO can talk about it.

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A question about the gender wage gap. [View all] rrneck Dec 2013 OP

As woman in the computer field for many, many years, I can say this - SharonAnn Dec 2013 #1

Well, if it makes you feel any better rrneck Dec 2013 #9

The wage gap exists as an artifact of the greater cultural gender power structure. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #2

Women may be of less value in the world that we have designed. rrneck Dec 2013 #10

According to the AAUW and the department of labor lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #3

An important question to ask might then be rrneck Dec 2013 #11

supply and demand lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #12

Wall Street's full of people who make a ton of money doing sit down work. rrneck Dec 2013 #13

I don't claim that this is the only dimension. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #25

I agree that there any number of contributing factors in any pay disparity. rrneck Dec 2013 #52

That doesn't make any sense Matariki Dec 2013 #95

Was he their boss? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #98

No. I think he did accounting. Matariki Dec 2013 #108

Another question to ask might be why positions traditionally held by women pay less Matariki Dec 2013 #94

An exceptionally good question. nt rrneck Dec 2013 #96

Why do women seek low paying careers? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #99

Another very good question. rrneck Dec 2013 #100

Sooo... people who seek careers in teaching or social work aren't primarily motivated by money? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #101

Not motivate as much by money rrneck Dec 2013 #102

It'd be interesting to see how investment bankers spend their leisure time. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #103

I listened to the interview of a biographer rrneck Dec 2013 #105

Because those are valuable fields that actually contribute something. Matariki Dec 2013 #104

It's hard to sell the concept of investment banking short rrneck Dec 2013 #106

A lot of people apparently agree. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #107

that Slate "article" you linked to is bullshit Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #34

I find arguments that actually include arguments to be more compelling than "that's bullshit!". lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #72

I listed reasons for calling it bullshit. you choose to ignore them in your response Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #74

It's a career that is open to women now. Why don't women choose to do it? n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #79

She's stupid because she's a female? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #87

I think it's multifaceted Proud Public Servant Dec 2013 #4

Single, young, childless women earn 8% on average more than their male peers Major Nikon Dec 2013 #8

Very, very interesting. Thanks! (nt) Proud Public Servant Dec 2013 #15

Hmmm, that flies in the face of other research etherealtruth Dec 2013 #17

Hardly Major Nikon Dec 2013 #22

that flies in the face of these studies etherealtruth Dec 2013 #24

Not "studies", study. Everything you posted is from AAUW. Major Nikon Dec 2013 #28

I was using the info from the links you provided and expanded on etherealtruth Dec 2013 #30

If you actually read your links you'll find it all comes from the same source which is the AAUW. Major Nikon Dec 2013 #32

Did you read the links ... ? It does not appear so ...? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #36

When you read the fine print they state the aggregate difference of the unexplained portion is 7% Major Nikon Dec 2013 #38

You appear very heavily invested in believing that there is not gender discrimination etherealtruth Dec 2013 #46

That was never my claim Major Nikon Dec 2013 #50

All of it etherealtruth Dec 2013 #58

This just proves you have a poor understanding of the subject Major Nikon Dec 2013 #59

Really etherealtruth Dec 2013 #65

Did you actually read the study? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #70

Very frightened etherealtruth Dec 2013 #76

Nobody is disputing there's a raw pay gap Major Nikon Dec 2013 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Dec 2013 #86

here is even more information that disputes what you have posted etherealtruth Dec 2013 #29

You aren't contradicting me Major Nikon Dec 2013 #31

It should be more than that considering how more educated they are! bettyellen Dec 2013 #18

In some markets it's as high as 20% Major Nikon Dec 2013 #19

I saw that- there was a few conditions that create a bad job market for bettyellen Dec 2013 #21

How do you know they aren't? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #23

You did read the article that the increase evaporates at age 30.... bettyellen Dec 2013 #39

Which is around the same age they start getting married and have children Major Nikon Dec 2013 #41

You think women should be penalized for taking maternity leave? bettyellen Dec 2013 #45

Pfft. I took paternity leave myself with my last child Major Nikon Dec 2013 #56

That's another question you dodged - bettyellen Dec 2013 #82

The answer to your question is... Major Nikon Dec 2013 #83

Yes. Workers tend to be penalized for not working. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #75

You with the 60% of wealth stat? Ha ha- where'd you get this nonsense bettyellen Dec 2013 #84

... Major Nikon Dec 2013 #97

The first company to hire all women will bankrupt all competitors cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #5

Add to that the wisdom my mom laid on me many years ago xulamaude Dec 2013 #6

If this were true business would have figured it out a long time ago Major Nikon Dec 2013 #16

If the almighty dollar was everything African Americans would not have the high bettyellen Dec 2013 #20

There's an even larger reverse gender pay gap between people of color starting out Major Nikon Dec 2013 #26

Ha ha. Studies show pay discrimination against women bettyellen Dec 2013 #33

... Major Nikon Dec 2013 #35

Some people are heavily invested in denying sexism (in this case) etherealtruth Dec 2013 #37

Tell me about it- completely misrepresenting the article is a desperate move. bettyellen Dec 2013 #40

Of course they are etherealtruth Dec 2013 #48

"completely misrepresenting the article" Major Nikon Dec 2013 #80

Some also want to get personal when their intellectual arguments fail Major Nikon Dec 2013 #64

Oh my are you attempting to get "personal"? etherealtruth Dec 2013 #67

"Some people are heavily invested in denying sexism" Major Nikon Dec 2013 #73

Gee, I kinda thought I might get the xulamaude Dec 2013 #43

It would be Major Nikon Dec 2013 #47

You got that I was making a joke xulamaude Dec 2013 #51

Perhaps you should tell that to bettyellen Major Nikon Dec 2013 #53

Bettyellen has her own thing going on. xulamaude Dec 2013 #54

And what would that be exactly? Major Nikon Dec 2013 #57

As I said, she has her own thing going on xulamaude Dec 2013 #63

Must be one of those things that's beyond the scope of reason Major Nikon Dec 2013 #66

Cute, Nikon. And end run around xulamaude Dec 2013 #68

Happy New Year Major Nikon Dec 2013 #71

Yet very few companies hire a majority of women EC Dec 2013 #7

I have had the privilege of overhearing a bunch of women discussing their female boss. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #77

I know that I work in a predominantly male field ("a science and engineering" field) etherealtruth Dec 2013 #14

I have heard both things- can't hire or pay women because they'll just bettyellen Dec 2013 #44

Here's some homework for you Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #27

I wanted to know what DUers thought. rrneck Dec 2013 #42

Its a really rude night on DU etherealtruth Dec 2013 #49

Aw, I'm used to it. rrneck Dec 2013 #55

Jury results forthcoming... aikoaiko Dec 2013 #60

This should be interesting. nt rrneck Dec 2013 #61

And the jury results are in... aikoaiko Dec 2013 #62

Only on DU can you get in trouble rrneck Dec 2013 #69

Ridculous alert. Smart jury. (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #78

Second jury results are in: sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #89

I wonder if I should solicit a list rrneck Dec 2013 #92

Love the alert note. ElboRuum Dec 2013 #91

You would think that after YEARS of people trying to tell them that their methods of discussing sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #93

Having children along with gender roles are the problem davidn3600 Dec 2013 #81

That dynamic points to the way our culture is structured. rrneck Dec 2013 #88

that's why Union is good Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #85