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Igel

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6. Countries that "peel off" are usually outlier territories.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:53 PM
Dec 2013

They think they've been oppressed and that without their oppressors they'd immediately be wealthy. Doesn't work that way. Also works in Europe--Slovakia wasn't an immediate success (hear about them recently? no?); Transdniestria is a recurring disaster.

You don't want to ponder some of the former Soviet republics. Just think what some of the regions that wanted to breakaway in the early '90s would be like today if they had succeeded.

Bosnia-Herzegovina isn't a shining light of wealth and civilization. Nor is Macedonia. Both thought themselves eagles bound in oppressors' chains. Both turned out to be kiwis.

Catalonia, were it independent, might be different. Might not be.

Same with Eritrea. S. Sudan. They have a larger issue, though--riven by tribal rivalries, they've never had a system that encouraged integration and assimilation to a single prestige norm. Instead, their governments focused on a single official culture or on keeping everybody in subjection. Instead, leaders see themselves as tribe members first and national leaders second; this leads them, as did leaders in some of the ethnically-riven countries in Europe, to funnel all good things to their own and bad things to their opponents. (Tito in Jugoslavija was rather the opposite--and had ethnic loyalty from his "tribe" and bribed loyalty from others.)

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There's a gun in almost every picture dickthegrouch Dec 2013 #1
Important observation if the pictures were random. Igel Dec 2013 #5
Mostly in Africa treestar Dec 2013 #2
Countries that "peel off" are usually outlier territories. Igel Dec 2013 #6
Africa was intentionally destroyed by Europe and the West MrScorpio Dec 2013 #11
I had wondered about that. Delphinus Dec 2013 #24
Where is the USA on this list? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #3
The US isn't a failed state. Not even close. Dash87 Dec 2013 #7
Man what a first world way of thinking. Kurska Dec 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #10
Lot of African states listed here geomon666 Dec 2013 #4
I noticed that too nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #19
Hey White people: How'd that imperialism thing work out for you? panader0 Dec 2013 #8
"All of these "failed" states were set up to fail by imperialists" Not all of them. Kurska Dec 2013 #12
How about "most" then? panader0 Dec 2013 #13
There ya go n/t Kurska Dec 2013 #14
What a paternalistic thing to say. KentuckyWoman Dec 2013 #27
#11 IRAQ #7 AFGHANISTAN progressoid Dec 2013 #15
i think Afghanistan would have been on the list even if we had never gone in, but Iraq probably JI7 Dec 2013 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #16
Where's Mississippi? rug Dec 2013 #17
+1, n/t RKP5637 Dec 2013 #26
it looks like Ethiopia and Eritrea would both be better off if they were one country JI7 Dec 2013 #18
many of these were left behind after the end of the cold war JI7 Dec 2013 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author El_Johns Dec 2013 #22
Darn...I guess I won't be vacationing in Somalia this year. jessie04 Dec 2013 #23
African and the Middle Eastern countries davidpdx Dec 2013 #25
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