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CJCRANE

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80. My definition of a civilized society includes more than your definition

Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:17 PM

Dec 2013

including helping those who are down on their luck. The government is us, so the government should do what we want it to.

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More than a million people lose unemployment benefits today, because Jesus, or something. [View all] WilliamPitt Dec 2013 OP

Those are demands on individuals Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #1

That is your interpretation. Where in the Bible does it tell exactly HOW we are supposed to help the jwirr Dec 2013 #2

Ehhh, if you're compelled by law to pay taxes Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #3

Well many of us are NOT compelled. We do it because it supports the programs we worked to set up. jwirr Dec 2013 #14

Ummm, unless you're exempt from paying taxes Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #15

You are great at symantics but you miss the spirit and heart of the message. Do onto others what you jwirr Dec 2013 #19

Not really. Being happy to pay taxes doesn't mean Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #20

I actually know where you are coming from. Luther has a paragraph in one of his books that argues jwirr Dec 2013 #23

It's not a matter of willing or not willing Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #26

What would Jesus want? Would he want you to help the maximum number of people? CJCRANE Dec 2013 #78

Paying your taxes isn't charitable giving Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #86

So? The government is US. The government should spend the money as WE see fit CJCRANE Dec 2013 #91

Render unto Caesar, friend lisby Dec 2013 #114

Render unto Caesar is a close to a proscription as one may get... unless one simply chooses not to s LanternWaste Dec 2013 #131

I've heard that lame argument many times... ohheckyeah Dec 2013 #48

And taxes are used to hurt people. former9thward Dec 2013 #72

I don't use paying taxes as an excuse to not help people. ohheckyeah Dec 2013 #74

agreed. That is why I love him and feel real pain when he's dissed. roguevalley Dec 2013 #106

Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally. hatrack Dec 2013 #4

Are you from the People's Front of Judea?! DirkGently Dec 2013 #41

Fuck off! We're the Judean Peoples' Front! hatrack Dec 2013 #49

8) That's what I thought. DirkGently Dec 2013 #56

You must not be familiar with the New Testament. WinkyDink Dec 2013 #5

I am...the act of paying taxes is not the same Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #6

The original Christian community, the surviving followers of the late teacher Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #101

I have no problem with that at all Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #102

Just so long as the government isn't involved .... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #117

What? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #120

Care to elaborate? badtoworse Dec 2013 #7

Yet the "christian" right demands that we CAG Dec 2013 #8

If the government took 100% of income to help the poor Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #9

I agree, but i happen to care about the millions CAG Dec 2013 #10

And that's fine. But the greed of the few Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #13

Do you use the term "seize their assets" CAG Dec 2013 #16

I'm talking about taking of the 1%s wealth Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #17

Well thats a rather specific and narrow view CAG Dec 2013 #18

I'm not referring to taxing them in the future Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #21

Practically all taxes are on things that were taxed before. That happens to the poor too. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #38

I've not said anything about protecting the rich Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #40

Yes you did. In a round about way by pointing out that taxes are not the same as Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #47

No, I didn't Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #51

So your version of Jesus prefers a government that doesn't help people? CJCRANE Dec 2013 #79

Noooo Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #85

That's very arbitrary. Where the government has a choice it should use funds to help the people CJCRANE Dec 2013 #89

Would you pass a hungry child on the street Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #90

I said repeatedly that I do both. I pay taxes and help the needy. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #92

We'll find where Jesus talks about government Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #93

WE are the government. Jesus talks about helping the needy, not small print about CJCRANE Dec 2013 #95

If the government fed, clothed and sheltered every person in this country Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #96

No because I help people in other countries too. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #97

Yes..so you recognize paying your taxes isn't enough Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #98

You're doing the "all or nothing" argument again. And again I will tell you that both are needed CJCRANE Dec 2013 #99

No...I'm distinguishing between the 2 acts Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #100

Well to me that is an irrelevant distinction. Do you want to help people whose unemploment benefits CJCRANE Dec 2013 #103

Congress could grant UE for perpetuity Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #104

We're not going to agree. You have your interpretation and I have mine. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #107

Agreed Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #108

Morning, I do not think there is anyone on this board that thinks government is a total answer to jwirr Dec 2013 #121

I'm not arguing against government or for charity Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #124

Since our government is not a theocracy and was never meant to be one, Arkansas Granny Dec 2013 #11

To the hungry children, do you think it matters all that much how the food was paid for? world wide wally Dec 2013 #22

That's not the point. Paying taxes isn't charitable giving Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #27

It still feeds kids...so render unto Ceaser that which is Ceaser's...and just "maybe" something world wide wally Dec 2013 #32

But it doesn't alleviate your duty to your fellow man. Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #36

That would just be a bonus world wide wally Dec 2013 #42

I hope you're posting during your breaks at the food kitchen. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #43

Why? Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #44

My definition of a civilized society includes more than your definition CJCRANE Dec 2013 #80

That would mean you recognize no personal Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #84

No, I don't. I pay taxes and give to charity. I prefer my taxes to go to unemployment benefits CJCRANE Dec 2013 #87

The fact that you give to charity means you Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #88

Most Americans want to extend benefits MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #31

It is the republicans in the government and all those who support what they are doing that Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #33

Not the point Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #35

When you know that your taxes will go to help the poor and you refuse or try to stop it Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #45

Paying your taxes is a matter of law Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #46

And using tax loopholes and hiding money in other countries is a matter of choice too. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #50

That's a matter of law Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #52

So what? ohheckyeah Dec 2013 #53

It's not what the bible is speaking to Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #55

As I said... ohheckyeah Dec 2013 #57

My point is, no matter what the government does to help the poor Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #58

Nobody said it did.... ohheckyeah Dec 2013 #59

Actually some did. And, again, you're missing the point Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #60

It matters to the ohheckyeah Dec 2013 #61

You're conflating the issues Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #62

That's just plain silly. ohheckyeah Dec 2013 #66

If you say so Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #70

you blue cat Dec 2013 #63

Prove it Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #64

Aren't we a government "of the people, by the people, and FOR the people"? world wide wally Dec 2013 #82

Nope Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #83

I think 4 hidden posts in 28 days proves your point. HangOnKids Dec 2013 #111

And a demand that those individuals be represented by persons who uphold those ideals. Barack_America Dec 2013 #109

After reading your posts ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #118

Uhhh that wasn't what I was saying at all Blanket Statements Dec 2013 #119

faux christians really don't give a shit. politicians use Jesus to garner votes, not to help people. spanone Dec 2013 #12

The godless left wing rabble intrinsically wants to help people in job/health/money trouble Sheepshank Dec 2013 #24

i don't consider the left wing godless spanone Dec 2013 #71

The "Right" does n/t Sheepshank Dec 2013 #75

Help the needy SCVDem Dec 2013 #25

Free Market Jeebus wept. (nt) Moostache Dec 2013 #28

WORSE than not helping is PREVENTING help of the poor. ErikJ Dec 2013 #29

Because corporate money. woo me with science Dec 2013 #30

1 John 4:20 Mnemosyne Dec 2013 #34

this says a lot heaven05 Dec 2013 #37

Follow your doctors instructions and take your meds! whistler162 Dec 2013 #39

I'm certain the people sulphurdunn Dec 2013 #54

After all... kentuck Dec 2013 #65

+1... SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #67

And another verse from Luke MineralMan Dec 2013 #68

Did you not read the new conservative bible? TBF Dec 2013 #69

Recommend jsr Dec 2013 #73

God doesn't care. GeorgeGist Dec 2013 #76

After reading most of the replies, it seems most don't get the point Packerowner740 Dec 2013 #77

Not really. It seems to be one person with an ungenerous interpretation of scripture. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #81

Seems to me Blanket Statements is just trying to make different point . . . freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #115

I don't get the separation. If the government is the most efficient way to help the needy CJCRANE Dec 2013 #122

The idea is that for an individual to help is in itself a good thing. freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #125

There is a simple answer to your musing. CJCRANE Dec 2013 #126

agree, mostly freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #127

I agree that helping others makes you a better person CJCRANE Dec 2013 #128

What I thought he/she was saying . . . freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #129

But in relation to the issue in the OP, it is still a voluntary act CJCRANE Dec 2013 #130

Yep Jesus, he shutdown the govt right? Ate green eggs Rex Dec 2013 #94

Acts of the Apostles, Chapter 2 44-45 Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #105

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! (Somebody Here Has 488 Posts...) WillyT Dec 2013 #110

Limbaugh 7 : 10 Kablooie Dec 2013 #112

I believe Christians are now using the "Buffet Bible." KansDem Dec 2013 #113

Thor wouldn't put up with this shit. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #116

One day at the beach, a drowning man cries for help... CJCRANE Dec 2013 #123