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In reply to the discussion: Rape Culture 101 [View all]Behind the Aegis
(56,101 posts)158. Some of her points are spot on, others are not, and some are just ignorant.
Rape culture is treating straight sexuality as the norm. Rape culture is lumping queer sexuality into nonconsensual sexual practices like pedophilia and bestiality. Rape culture is privileging heterosexuality because ubiquitous imagery of two adults of the same-sex engaging in egalitarian partnerships without gender-based dominance and submission undermines (erroneous) biological rationales for the rape culture's existence.
No, that is not and example of 'rape culture.' That is heterosexism and homophobia, which is not a part of rape culture. Furthermore, her definition is simply absurd. I am sick and tired of people trying to co-opt the LGBT experience into their own and excluding us, that is heterosexist!
Rape culture is using the word "rape" to describe something that has been done to you other than a forced or coerced sex act. Rape culture is saying things like "That ATM raped me with a huge fee" or "The IRS raped me on my taxes."
No, this is simply the evolution of a word, not dissimilar to the word "slave." "Rape" is also defined as "to spoil, to plunder, to abuse." It just so happens it also means "sexual assault." There are, of course, those who use it in a mocking manner, and that usage would be an example of 'rape culture.'
Rape culture is the insistence on trying to distinguish between different kinds of rape via the use of terms like "gray rape" or "date rape."
This is an overgeneralization. I have never heard the term 'grey rape' and looked at the link provided. There is nothing "grey" about those situations. If some use the term it is likely to make a distinction, and in doing so, doesn't necessarily mean the user is saying one type of rape is worse or better than another. Similar distinctions are made in murder and other crimes, it does not diminish them. Does she think "statutory rape" also diminishes rape?
Rape culture is television shows and movies leaving rape out of situations where it would be a present and significant threat in real life.
This is flat out STUPID! So it is rape culture to not portray every situation in which men and women are alone, that she must fear being raped?!
Rape culture is the pervasive narrative that there is a "typical" way to behave after being raped, instead of the acknowledgment that responses to rape are as varied as its victims, that, immediately following a rape, some women go into shock; some are lucid; some are angry; some are ashamed; some are stoic; some are erratic; some want to report it; some don't; some will act out; some will crawl inside themselves; some will have healthy sex lives; some never will again.
Despite leaving out men as victims, this is a paragraph that many need to read and commit to memory. There have been some recent posts about DU victims of rape speaking out, and some of the responses were beyond the pale. Like every rape, every victim has their own way of dealing with the assault and the journey to becoming a survivor. NO ONE should EVER be shamed for how s/he handles the after-the-fact of a rape!
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Maybe not pro-rape-culture per se. But there's a lot of MRA-ish "poor men" whining
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#113
And there is a lot more people murdered than there are innocents on death row
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#116
But has the Innocence Project ever implied that the majority of murder accusations are false?
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#124
No. Has anyone on DU suggested that more than 1 in 2 rape accusations are false?
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#126
They don't have to say so outright. But when they bring up the supposed problem of false accusations
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#131
Is the difference between rape and consensual sex really so confusing for you?
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#8
What would helpful then is a disclaimer for media indicating explicit consent
MrScorpio
Dec 2013
#88
Do you think depictions of such interactions should be illegal or just frowned upon? n/t
Kurska
Dec 2013
#164
If that were true, you'd expect virtually no argument on the pornography related threads
hughee99
Dec 2013
#19
then yo have not actually heard the arguments about this but have your preconceived ideas.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#28
you are right. it is not an easy conversation. there is so much to all of this. wrapping it up in
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#39
Based on the thread I linked to, it seems no one was suggesting that a film of an actual rape
hughee99
Dec 2013
#52
"My position on privileging profit over human life is consistent." Well said.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#127
the discussion I saw was about how vids were labeled "real rape" as a selling point
cinnabonbon
Dec 2013
#70
The discussion I linked to was about Brits banning "violent porn" whether real or simulated.
hughee99
Dec 2013
#75
Oh, I see. I didn't see the thread you're referring. Would you happen to have a link?
cinnabonbon
Dec 2013
#79
I think the issue is the imagery of that is what women want and it perpetuates a culture.
boston bean
Dec 2013
#21
I guess no feminist is perfect, she could have written it better, but she didn't.
boston bean
Dec 2013
#47
rape porn, regardless how many times you are told, is not the same as bsdm. it was explained
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#31
If you can't tell a simulation from the real thing, then what the hell are we supposed to do?
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#133
I'm not talking about a feature film that is clearly fictional. That's not the same thing at all.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#139
I'm not calling for banning *anything* - other than real footage of real criminal acts -
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#154
An individual woman "wanting to be dominated" is not problematic. But when it's implied that this is
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#134
If that were the case then wouldn't you find dom/sub roles falling mostly along gender lines?
Matariki
Dec 2013
#30
It has nothing to do with gender or sex roles, it has everything to do with power and trust.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#153
I never said "feminine" = "submissive" (note other response in this thread)
Spider Jerusalem
Dec 2013
#157
I think it has more to do with duality and something intrinsic to human nature than social roles.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#163
You do know Recursion's thread was in response to another that same day, right?
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#81
Its not difficult to ignore the bullying and let some other sad sap get piled on
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#97
Because women who don't agree with every single word of the HOF experts on all things
polly7
Dec 2013
#128
Just because another woman disagrees with you doesn't mean she's sucking up to men...
Violet_Crumble
Dec 2013
#148
"I don't blame feminists. I like feminists--well, except for the ones who speak out, who tell the
niyad
Dec 2013
#106
I think if we both want to spend our time pretending what the other is implying....
NoOneMan
Dec 2013
#108
oh dear, MY discourse is divisive, etc., etc., again with the "tone" yes? that particular argument
niyad
Dec 2013
#118
perhaps you should read, and heed, your own advice then. and consider that hearing the "tone"
niyad
Dec 2013
#129
I am pretty sure there is a feature on this board called "ignore" or some such, if we are all so
niyad
Dec 2013
#119
The Meta Forum served a usefull purpose imho, for providing a venue for spillover threads like that
Electric Monk
Dec 2013
#82
for those who STILL need rape culture explained to them, read the following article, and the
niyad
Dec 2013
#130
I'm constantly surprised by the "duh, but, uh, what about..." posts in response to this
Scootaloo
Dec 2013
#142
Some of her points are spot on, others are not, and some are just ignorant.
Behind the Aegis
Dec 2013
#158
Well, women already do everything they can to protect themselves, it's not like we need a PSA
KitSileya
Dec 2013
#179