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In reply to the discussion: Atheists, Work With Us for Peace, Pope Says on Christmas [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,160 posts)131. You might put Franco in Spain in the category of a 'Catholic war'
Throughout his four-decade-long regime, Franco drew on similar sentiments as he allied his government with the Roman Catholic Church to divinely legitimize his rule and stabilize Spain.
The Catholic Church had labeled the Spanish Civil War a crusade, thus providing Franco with religious legitimization for his actions in the war as well as after the war. This label also rationalized the Churchs renewed religious authority in Spain. The Church saw Francos rule as a chance to (reassert) Catholic hegemony via the homogenization of Spanish culture. Just as Franco was purging the country of political, cultural, and religious heresy, the Catholic Church saw this as an opportunity to reassert their own power, lost in the previous century by the divisive Carlist Wars.
During the restoration monarchy of 1874 to 1923, the Catholic Church had equated Spanish greatness with intransigent Catholicism. By the time Franco had come to power, the people of Spain had long been accustomed to Catholicism, and Franco capitalized on this familiarity to unite the country. Further, Franco extended his reliance on the Catholic Church to control the public, and surrounded himself with this uniting force: he employed in his cabinet several members of Opus Dei, a conservative Catholic organization. Those members of Opus Dei helped Franco unify Spain through Nationalism, and displayed little tolerance for divisive forces. Franco felt that democracy, socialism, anarchism, (and particularly,) communism had no place in his system, and he relied on families and local communities, the Roman Catholic Church, and the workplace, to foster a united citizenry. This system worked well for Franco, as he could avoid policing thought, as a conventional totalitarian state would attempt, and instead relied on the power of these traditional institutions to shape succeeding generations. Sheelagh M. Ellwood, in her Spanish Fascism in the Franco Era, writes that there was no honourable space either for Spaniards who disbelieved Catholic dogma or were not interested in it, or for Catholics who disliked enforced absorption into a military, centralist, Spanish state.
In essence, Catholicism played a social, political, and economic role during Francos regime because it constituted the common cultural and political denominator inside the Nationalist camp. Further, while Francos support for the Catholic Church stabilized Spain, the Church also received the benefits of this fully national Catholic culture, founded on the exclusive right to proselytize (most crucially thorough the schools) and on substantial state subsidy.
http://pages.vassar.edu/envisioningspainsborder/?p=382
The Catholic Church had labeled the Spanish Civil War a crusade, thus providing Franco with religious legitimization for his actions in the war as well as after the war. This label also rationalized the Churchs renewed religious authority in Spain. The Church saw Francos rule as a chance to (reassert) Catholic hegemony via the homogenization of Spanish culture. Just as Franco was purging the country of political, cultural, and religious heresy, the Catholic Church saw this as an opportunity to reassert their own power, lost in the previous century by the divisive Carlist Wars.
During the restoration monarchy of 1874 to 1923, the Catholic Church had equated Spanish greatness with intransigent Catholicism. By the time Franco had come to power, the people of Spain had long been accustomed to Catholicism, and Franco capitalized on this familiarity to unite the country. Further, Franco extended his reliance on the Catholic Church to control the public, and surrounded himself with this uniting force: he employed in his cabinet several members of Opus Dei, a conservative Catholic organization. Those members of Opus Dei helped Franco unify Spain through Nationalism, and displayed little tolerance for divisive forces. Franco felt that democracy, socialism, anarchism, (and particularly,) communism had no place in his system, and he relied on families and local communities, the Roman Catholic Church, and the workplace, to foster a united citizenry. This system worked well for Franco, as he could avoid policing thought, as a conventional totalitarian state would attempt, and instead relied on the power of these traditional institutions to shape succeeding generations. Sheelagh M. Ellwood, in her Spanish Fascism in the Franco Era, writes that there was no honourable space either for Spaniards who disbelieved Catholic dogma or were not interested in it, or for Catholics who disliked enforced absorption into a military, centralist, Spanish state.
In essence, Catholicism played a social, political, and economic role during Francos regime because it constituted the common cultural and political denominator inside the Nationalist camp. Further, while Francos support for the Catholic Church stabilized Spain, the Church also received the benefits of this fully national Catholic culture, founded on the exclusive right to proselytize (most crucially thorough the schools) and on substantial state subsidy.
http://pages.vassar.edu/envisioningspainsborder/?p=382
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"forever" clause aside, Marx's "opium of the people" quote deserves a second look
0rganism
Dec 2013
#112
do you really think the profiteers from the military industrial complex are actually "religious"?
KittyWampus
Dec 2013
#10
So when you went and read the Popes message he was strictly lecturing atheists?
el_bryanto
Dec 2013
#15
how does that change whether they are religious, like the duck dynasty piece of shits , they
JI7
Dec 2013
#26
You might put Franco in Spain in the category of a 'Catholic war'
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2013
#131
Many of us have been for years. Years that the church has been dealing with hiding
LuckyLib
Dec 2013
#4
Dear pope, most atheists I know have always worked for World Peace…it is kind of our thing.
Tikki
Dec 2013
#11
Where has Sam Harris called for a preemptive nuclear strike on the Muslim world?
MNBrewer
Dec 2013
#39
I've always admired Hedges, but to find that he's slandering Harris is disturbing
MNBrewer
Dec 2013
#49
Calling for something vs. positing it as a likely US response are not the same thing
MNBrewer
Dec 2013
#93
Sam Harris (and Hitchens, outspokenly) support for the neocon's aggressive war agenda
cpwm17
Dec 2013
#114
I must check to see how often Gandhi buttressed his callls for pacifism with "Bullshit!"
rug
Dec 2013
#68
He was still working that religion thing…he saw himself as the ultimate authority...
Tikki
Dec 2013
#33
Some say the catholic church in the last 100 years targeted the even more venerable..
Tikki
Dec 2013
#37
Those compare with the tens of millions killed by Stalin and Hitler and Mao and Pol Pot?
former9thward
Dec 2013
#82
I guess you don't recall Mao and Stalin, both atheist. What the last number 2-3 million
demosincebirth
Dec 2013
#62
north korea worships the fucking dear leader who is supposed to be some higher power type
JI7
Dec 2013
#74
and they still aren't killing non atheists in the name of atheism , it's mostly their own who are
JI7
Dec 2013
#125
maybe he was thinking of the Ayn Rand worshippers although most of them are not atheist
JI7
Dec 2013
#17
geez I can't believe how many posts on here don't appreciate the inclusiveness.
liberal_at_heart
Dec 2013
#55
Here is what Francis has actually said about marriage equality. Inclusive?
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#90
No, you were thinking and all but saying, "Shut up about raped kids already."
Demo_Chris
Dec 2013
#73
There's a lot of RW war mongering self-identified Christians just like George W. Bush out there.
Zorra
Dec 2013
#71
Here is what Francis has actually said about marriage equality, someone explain
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#85
to "invite even nonbelievers to desire peace" might sound a bit condescending
mountain grammy
Dec 2013
#88
Here is what Francis has actually said about marriage equality how is it 'inclusive'?
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2013
#92
Me too. I'll work (no exceptions) with any religion calling for peace. (nt)
anti partisan
Dec 2013
#132