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HappyMe

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98. Which one would convince more people,

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 10:12 AM

Dec 2013

and invite good discussion:

1) Well, A is the way it should be. If you don't think A, you are part of the problem! There is no A and B, A is the way right-thinking people believe.

2) Well, A is a good idea. Okay, what part of A isn't doing it for you? There are good points about A and B, combining some of each sounds good.

I personally don't respond well to in your face type argument. I just stop listening because the point is lost in the person's attempt to talk at me.

edit to add - I kind of think that it's the people with the fragile egos that use the snotty, in your face, my way or the highway type argument. Maybe they don't want to really hear another viewpoint or idea that would poke a couple of holes into their ideas and ego. It might be possible to have a huge ego that's fragile too.

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So why exactly is "tone" or "approach" more important than actual issues that affect us all? [View all] nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 OP

It's not. It's just a deflective tactic to avoid addressing the issue Scootaloo Dec 2013 #1

And if they don't have a logical, valid reason for their opposition, then there you go... nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #2

An insulting, disrespectful tone will derail effective communication. Voice for Peace Dec 2013 #151

wow, your comment says it all. Vattel Dec 2013 #309

/thread. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #3

Precisely! BainsBane Dec 2013 #7

Yeahhhhhh, no. Tone -is- important. It's not -more- important (duh), but it is/can be... Shandris Dec 2013 #4

the problem with tone is often, too often it is an assumption and wrong. seabeyond Dec 2013 #11

Yes. kcr Dec 2013 #14

I can't speak as to how often tone is used as an excuse; I can only safely speak for... Shandris Dec 2013 #39

I think those currently pushing the "tone shouldn't matter" meme are... stevenleser Dec 2013 #48

But yet I note that you don't want to answer the question kcr Dec 2013 #50

I did answer. I said, it's one thing to be obnoxious to a particular instance of bigotry stevenleser Dec 2013 #52

But that really didn't answer the question kcr Dec 2013 #53

Well, if you are making it into an SAT question, I cant say for sure EVERYONE who is stevenleser Dec 2013 #54

I'm not trying to make it into an SAT question. kcr Dec 2013 #56

Calling those who disagree with you "obnoxious" is not smart. It just alienates your allies. Squinch Dec 2013 #91

i am hearing a bit of snark in your title. tone steven. seabeyond Dec 2013 #155

BINGO! nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #159

Well said! Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #78

so, with no knowledge you have defined others for them? seabeyond Dec 2013 #156

See #48 Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #161

what does 48 have to do with anything. a man that is angry at us, pointing the finger at us, again seabeyond Dec 2013 #164

See #48 Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #174

brilliant. ignore what is actually posted to you with repeat. what does that do? seabeyond Dec 2013 #177

See #48 Katashi_itto Dec 2013 #179

I think if you start paying attention to how frequent bettyellen Dec 2013 #113

you owuld think wrong. it would be those accused of being angry when they are not. it would being seabeyond Dec 2013 #154

+1 NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #180

your whole post is directed at insulting 'they". that is acceptable though your "tone" is fine? seabeyond Dec 2013 #185

"They" are the "ones pushing the tone doesn't matter meme". NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #189

But the argument isn't tone doesn't matter kcr Dec 2013 #192

the point is your whole post is insults toward a group. you define the group. tone pleasant, seabeyond Dec 2013 #195

Well, I can't see any way you would get in trouble over that post. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #198

all in the lungs... thank you. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #200

This is true. HappyMe Dec 2013 #193

how did Tone swing Indiana ... ? Am I missing something? Is that the unrelated thing of which you Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #51

Not that tone swung Indiana... Shandris Dec 2013 #72

yes, very much so. I understand. Thank you Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #157

all i know is more than not, i am being givin an emotion that i am not feeling and i feel is no seabeyond Dec 2013 #163

Well, when I read your post I get a conversational tone. Shandris Dec 2013 #173

i prefer people to ask. allowing one an opportunity to clarify. i am not much into assumptions at seabeyond Dec 2013 #181

Well said. I think we're actually pretty close in this regard, but my verbiage still... Shandris Dec 2013 #187

no. it is not. something happened to my brain along the way. seabeyond Dec 2013 #191

Sounds like a very enlightening journey. My deepest admiration. Shandris Dec 2013 #196

you are fun. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #201

Exactly who am I "mocking"? And I don't particularly need "allies" seeing as I'm a man. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Shandris Dec 2013 #73

On second thought, I'll merely shake my head at both your implied... Shandris Dec 2013 #75

Hmmmm. You know, I think you would have better luck making your point if you were nicer. Squinch Dec 2013 #82

I guess I should have replied to this one first. Shandris Dec 2013 #140

I am happy with my contribution to the discussion, but thanks for the suggestion. Squinch Dec 2013 #263

So, I take it you don't like the tone of the OP's question. And yet your post is quite snarky. Squinch Dec 2013 #79

You are entirely correct. Shandris Dec 2013 #139

I think being dismissed tends to do that to everyone. Squinch Dec 2013 #142

But why take it so personally to begin with? I didn't single anybody out. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #268

Mainly because it seemed to me to be highly antagonistic... Shandris Dec 2013 #279

Okay, I was a little overzealous myself. Mainly because I was fed up with what I saw as nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #281

Yeah, I can see that. Like I noted in one of my other posts, I was... Shandris Dec 2013 #288

Okay, then I think we're more on the same page than we thought. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #289

Seems fair to me. All's well that ends well... Shandris Dec 2013 #291

I've actually been watching the Niners-Cardinals game, sort of ducking in and out. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #292

Trash thread NoOneMan Dec 2013 #5

Hardly BainsBane Dec 2013 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #27

Awesomely *classy*! pacalo Dec 2013 #71

It looks like you misread her response gollygee Dec 2013 #100

Yes, she often pintobean Dec 2013 #107

Well gollygee Dec 2013 #108

I see what you mean, and believe you're right. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #124

my two cents: Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #6

Well said. I don't care what issue you are trying to further. Tone matters. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #12

It matters. Is it the most important thing? kcr Dec 2013 #20

Nope, not the most important thing. On the rest, by whom and where? On DU? stevenleser Dec 2013 #31

It's not? kcr Dec 2013 #37

Nope, see my #33 below. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #41

Well, why are you offering response 33 to me? I offered no false choice? kcr Dec 2013 #44

I think the second part of that post applies. stevenleser Dec 2013 #45

You've got me confused with someone else. kcr Dec 2013 #47

i guess if you call a group you have disdain for as generally obnoxious in a pleasant tone, seabeyond Dec 2013 #167

my answers: Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #32

I agree. kcr Dec 2013 #38

yes, Honest anger is far preferable than condscending sarcasm and Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #43

Honest anger is best kcr Dec 2013 #46

Sarcasm can cut both ways tis true but, it is a Tone therefore deserves mention. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #49

but then tuesday, there is the passive aggressive and could be saying the ugliest, in a passive seabeyond Dec 2013 #17

Yes, I understand and the passive/aggessive is the hardest for me to counteract. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #21

sea, regarding your hides being due to your tone ... Not all of your hides should have happened Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #36

If yr talking about not being able to discuss an issue without being abusive... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #9

Yes, as I said in another thread, no DUer is above being called obnoxious. stevenleser Dec 2013 #13

+1 n/t tammywammy Dec 2013 #16

Exactly. It applies to arguing any issue here at DU... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #35

and what about the people in this thread subtly talking about others, assigning them characteristics seabeyond Dec 2013 #170

I don't find subtle but polite digs difficult to deal with.... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #301

+1 Yep. nt Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #62

exactly. You are not effective in your argument when you're abusive and you turn people liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #22

It makes them feel superior kcr Dec 2013 #26

I refuse to be sucked into an argument. Go bait someone else. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #28

Suit yourself kcr Dec 2013 #29

ah.... tone. nt seabeyond Dec 2013 #169

ditto pintobean Dec 2013 #171

ah.... tone. there is a problem with my tone? i did it pleasantly. i merely pointed out tone. seabeyond Dec 2013 #172

I think you are berating people you feel are doing something wrong here. Squinch Dec 2013 #87

Yes. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #61

161 171 174. what is in those tones? are they obnoxious? productive? will they get a hide? seabeyond Dec 2013 #183

I'm not seeing anything abusive in any of those posts... Violet_Crumble Dec 2013 #302

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Dec 2013 #208

You asked: The Straight Story Dec 2013 #10

"Sit Down & Shut Up." That's what they always tell us. "Do you want the GOP to win?!!" blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #15

But they have a D next to their name. A D! WowSeriously Dec 2013 #40

rug just posted about exactly this point in "Religion" intaglio Dec 2013 #18

Imagine for a moment everyone on DU behaving that way about their most important issue. stevenleser Dec 2013 #19

This is true intaglio Dec 2013 #23

Not to be pedantic, but those issues were not resolved by being obnoxious on DU stevenleser Dec 2013 #25

So you want people to be polite to those who say ... intaglio Dec 2013 #30

For starters, you offer a false dilemma. There is a lot in between polite and obnoxious. stevenleser Dec 2013 #33

So you are objecting to obnoxious - but you did not make that clear intaglio Dec 2013 #63

Not that "obscenity" doesn't have its place as well - e.g. "Fuck you you fucking racist asshole!" nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #293

being blunt, to the point, factual, honest, does not equal obnoxious. not everyone seabeyond Dec 2013 #175

That is a really good analogy. Squinch Dec 2013 #84

I try to live my signature line. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #160

Because we have Community Standards on DU. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #24

So, it's obvious that there's a poster that you really don't like kcr Dec 2013 #34

That person has had a number of posts hidden recently so that situation will probably be resolved stevenleser Dec 2013 #42

Yes, I saw that. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #64

You object to an abstract reference to women BainsBane Dec 2013 #68

Save it. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #70

It's far from a tirade BainsBane Dec 2013 #74

save it. tirade. slightest bit accurate. seabeyond Dec 2013 #188

Wow pintobean Dec 2013 #194

honestly pinto. with what you did a couple days ago, seabeyond Dec 2013 #197

I think he's referring to how 'you' villified polly7 Dec 2013 #203

stoke the fire, attack the duer, create the outrage... again polly. been there. go at it. seabeyond Dec 2013 #206

Are you seriously unable to understand how what you did was polly7 Dec 2013 #211

Very well said. UtahLib Dec 2013 #216

Nah .......... it's just watching the holier-than-thou polly7 Dec 2013 #224

That was before your time pintobean Dec 2013 #225

You know, pintobean UtahLib Dec 2013 #256

What I did? pintobean Dec 2013 #220

Well that was fairly disgusting! polly7 Dec 2013 #242

Nothing wrong with the tone there, though. pintobean Dec 2013 #246

I can guarantee it won't, in this case. polly7 Dec 2013 #270

You're accusing me of making accusations Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #251

we are focused on tone. the words you chose are hostile. all abotu the tone. seabeyond Dec 2013 #252

I see that it bugs you deeply that you falsely accused someone. nt Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #253

i do not believe i did. i understand you believe it. i think you are wrong. seabeyond Dec 2013 #255

Wrong. There's nothing at all insincere there. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #258

I see that it bugs you deeply that you falsely accused someone seabeyond Dec 2013 #259

Heard of understatement? Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #264

tone.... seabeyond Dec 2013 #265

deaf Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #299

FYI pintobean Dec 2013 #261

if you include me as part of "they" you might want to correct that. seabeyond Dec 2013 #266

Wow, thank you! Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #296

This message was self-deleted by its author Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #57

One of them has more than five hidden posts, yet somehow manages to say afloat. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #58

Community standards doesn't exist. kcr Dec 2013 #59

True. treestar Dec 2013 #138

Community Standards will have its day pretty soon. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #60

a whole post of ugly as you insult others for what you perceive the same? but, that is good, right? seabeyond Dec 2013 #204

Are you saying the rules aren't fair? Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #260

what i said clearly is you had a whole lot of ugly in your post. seabeyond Dec 2013 #269

That's an odd word for you to use. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #298

lmfao. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #275

Exactly right. It should be interesting. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #274

Looks like I'm living rent free in someone's head. Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #77

No, but your words and insults leave a mark ... polly7 Dec 2013 #88

Oh polly Sheldon Cooper Dec 2013 #112

Me either ........ polly7 Dec 2013 #119

No one said more important. Bonobo Dec 2013 #55

Except that "being an asshole" is sometimes necessary. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #65

I agree on that Bonobo Dec 2013 #66

When seeking allies in a struggle, it's in the seeker's interest not to be a jerk Orrex Dec 2013 #103

Are they empowered to set these rules? lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #166

No one has the power to "set the rules" (except, say, the moderators of a website). nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #267

I can think of one good reason why tone is probably more important at our venue of discussion. pacalo Dec 2013 #67

Because if you alienate all your would-be allies, you won't have any left and your cause will fail. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #76

That was so nicely put... LOL nt boston bean Dec 2013 #165

It's nice to be nice to the nice. Squinch Dec 2013 #295

It's not more important than the issue. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #80

Many times the argument of tone is projected when no such thing has taken place. boston bean Dec 2013 #86

Of course, I was thinking real world. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #96

+1 pintobean Dec 2013 #94

Politicians and corps are focused on marketing (ie the 'con') more than real things on point Dec 2013 #81

Don't want to get negative "tone" from people? 99Forever Dec 2013 #83

Oh, now that isn't nice. Maybe if you said it in a nicer way, people would listen. Squinch Dec 2013 #85

Actually, no they don't. 99Forever Dec 2013 #95

I'm sorry, but you are just alienating your allies, now. Squinch Dec 2013 #97

Funny... 99Forever Dec 2013 #101

And yet look at your response: Squinch Dec 2013 #105

Passive/aggressive bullshit. 99Forever Dec 2013 #115

That wasn't nice. Squinch Dec 2013 #120

But it was true. 99Forever Dec 2013 #122

So sometimes you can make a valid point without being nice? Squinch Dec 2013 #125

I've had my fill of your passive/aggressive bullshit. 99Forever Dec 2013 #129

Ok! Be nice, now! Squinch Dec 2013 #130

oh my Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #168

I know, right? cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #178

It really was. I hate that person got "used" like that but, it just shows how effective Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #182

I totally agree. cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #186

Well played, Squinch! kcr Dec 2013 #190

Excellent, Squinch! boston bean Dec 2013 #210

I've seen more personal attacks against feminists and a group of feminists on DU boston bean Dec 2013 #89

And I've seen exactly the opposite. polly7 Dec 2013 #90

Of course you have. nt boston bean Dec 2013 #92

No, not of course, at all. polly7 Dec 2013 #93

I see a discussion of an issue, where people personally attack, instead of a discussion of the issue boston bean Dec 2013 #99

LOL! polly7 Dec 2013 #102

If you would like to continue in calling people liars instead of the discussing issues boston bean Dec 2013 #104

Link to me calling anyone a liar. polly7 Dec 2013 #106

When you would like to actually discuss a feminist issue with me, let me know. boston bean Dec 2013 #109

No link? polly7 Dec 2013 #110

When you would like to discuss an actual feminist issue, let me know. boston bean Dec 2013 #111

I enjoy very much (mostly reading about) all issues posted here. polly7 Dec 2013 #117

I wouldn't call my characterization of the "tone" argument victimization, but a feminist POV. boston bean Dec 2013 #127

I call it victimization. polly7 Dec 2013 #128

Ok, you call it victimization. boston bean Dec 2013 #131

Yes, you did. polly7 Dec 2013 #134

She obviously doesn't like your tone. /nt pintobean Dec 2013 #141

None of them do. polly7 Dec 2013 #145

And anyone can go to that group pintobean Dec 2013 #153

Yes, I got blocked for calling out a lie. polly7 Dec 2013 #158

I used to go in there. Not any more. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #249

You are right polly, I got down in the mud with you at the beginning of this thread. boston bean Dec 2013 #144

So you were 'untruthful' about that? polly7 Dec 2013 #146

Are you calling me a liar? boston bean Dec 2013 #147

I said you were untruthful about it. Which you were. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #148

LOL. have a good one! boston bean Dec 2013 #149

I think you've hit on it. HappyMe Dec 2013 #133

See that's what I wanted to say, but was distracted with all the personal accusations! polly7 Dec 2013 #135

Why do you hate women? Orrex Dec 2013 #121

LOL. I know, right?! polly7 Dec 2013 #126

It is thinly diguised bullying. HappyMe Dec 2013 #150

Yes, it is .. polly7 Dec 2013 #152

Many of the discussions started on the topics you're talking about Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #199

Really, a post about rape culture that names no one, no group boston bean Dec 2013 #202

Yeah, I'm sure your thread was started to garner discussion... Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #205

Again, projection from you. boston bean Dec 2013 #207

I'm not saying you can't post about it. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #209

In your opinion, again MORE projection. I sat there and participated and boston bean Dec 2013 #212

But, like I said, in the wake of the "gender wars" threads Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #213

Why should I have to expect personal attacks boston bean Dec 2013 #214

You're not innocent in this. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #219

I'm not innocent? I'm guilty of what? Being a feminist some don't like? boston bean Dec 2013 #221

No, not because you're a feminist. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #228

Hmmmm.... My posts that name no one, call out no DUer and represent boston bean Dec 2013 #229

And why should people who are merely telling the *truth* about the world we live in, be personally nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #273

So she should expect personal attacks, but she is the one with the tone problem? Squinch Dec 2013 #307

So she can post about it, but only in a way you approve of... nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #272

I trashed that thread and moved on. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #222

Yeah, so did I. Apparently I'm the one with the problem. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #312

Which one would convince more people, HappyMe Dec 2013 #98

+1000! nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #136

"I personally don't respond well to in your face type argument." NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #227

It also doesn't make you 'heard' HappyMe Dec 2013 #233

Just a personal opinion, Crunchy Frog Dec 2013 #114

It's not. Not at all. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #116

It ain't. Iggo Dec 2013 #118

You're making excuses Feral Child Dec 2013 #123

It naturally distracts the listener treestar Dec 2013 #132

Diversionary tactic by non-progressives. That's what political correctness is, too. valerief Dec 2013 #137

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2013 #176

It isn't. It's a derailing technique. Starry Messenger Dec 2013 #143

+1. historylovr Dec 2013 #254

Weell, they saayy that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. ananda Dec 2013 #162

The only wrong would be to say or do nothing. seabeyond Dec 2013 #218

Those who say that always seem to me to have missed the point. Squinch Dec 2013 #262

People are almost completely rational creatures. gulliver Dec 2013 #184

well. i made it thru half the thread. posts seem directed exclusively at dissing hof as they seabeyond Dec 2013 #215

Your transparency page begs to differ. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #217

i disagree. seabeyond Dec 2013 #223

and you really ignored what i put in this reply, swinging the conversation in a different direction. seabeyond Dec 2013 #226

I see it much differently... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #230

Can you point me to some threads where you are being discussed and insulted by name on DU? nt boston bean Dec 2013 #231

Not only discussed but insulting replies to me... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #232

I get insulting replies all the time. I want to know if boston bean Dec 2013 #234

In the open asking about links? NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #236

I would need to see the conversation. boston bean Dec 2013 #237

Yeah. It always falls anywhere but the people... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #239

You started it... No you did, No you did, No you did. boston bean Dec 2013 #240

My plan is to see how this place is after Jan 7th or 8th... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #244

see, and i do not know that is true. i do know that on this thread, your posts were seabeyond Dec 2013 #235

See my post 232... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #238

honestly, i cannot recall. i would have to read it. i do know, that over the last couple days, seabeyond Dec 2013 #241

I looked in my history for that thread... NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #243

lol. i really could not recall natural. but, i have appreciated seabeyond Dec 2013 #245

Well I'll tell you a secret-- it depends on the topic ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #247

Sometimes it takes a crowbar, not soft words to separate the true from false seabeyond Dec 2013 #248

So if it's something that YOU think is really, really important.. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #257

Why should women have to constantly coddle male feelings? That's what pisses me off, as a man. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #276

I never said they should. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #278

Fair enough. But people always seem to try to make it about *their feelings* instead of what's nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #282

Wait...you mean we're ALLOWED to be irritated? NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #283

And what the hell do you, as a man, have to be "irritated" about? Some mean feminist nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #284

What do I have to be irritated about? NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #285

That last line is kind of the whole point I've been trying to make. Thank you for getting it. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #286

No, you didn't get it ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #294

Except I didn't say anything like that. NaturalHigh Jan 2014 #322

It depends on what your goal is. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #250

Sort of A Sidenote (Re: Phil Robertson) Dirty Socialist Dec 2013 #271

This message was self-deleted by its author nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #277

personally, i thought his words were horrible. i didnt not even notice tone. and yes, seabeyond Dec 2013 #280

I don't think it is but some folks completely key on tone and many other weigh it heavily TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #287

On a practical level, you're right. Emotional content can never be simply disregarded. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #290

pretty passive agressive post. instead of coming out with what you're really talking about here Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #297

It was intended to be general, applicable to any number of things, but in the context of recent nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #300

The science is called propoganda quaker bill Dec 2013 #303

Before this thread wears out, I'd like to add a point. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #304

Kicking for this post. +1 pintobean Dec 2013 #305

Thanks! Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #308

You can expect a lot of that. pintobean Dec 2013 #311

Well said. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #306

That is so cool! Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #320

You have a funny idea gollygee Dec 2013 #310

"And it certainly isn't abusive behavior to talk about things you don't want talked about." nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #316

"vocal minority feminists" i have not seen one post you have made where you do not insult seabeyond Dec 2013 #313

Me obsessed? You post a ton more than I do. Waiting For Everyman Dec 2013 #319

You will be Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #321

I had an interesting, possibly related, event at work a couple of weeks ago. AZCat Dec 2013 #314

That's a valid point. Shock and outrage have their place, but it's best to use them sparingly. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #318

Because we're supposed to be allies coming from a similar outlook. MicaelS Dec 2013 #315

But what if otherwise left-leaning people make arguments that smack of right-wing talking points? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #317