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NutmegYankee

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54. People are sometimes hurt or killed in accidents.

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 11:39 AM

Dec 2013

There are often tort liability in such cases, but criminal liability is very specific. Let's say you are looking one way (not forward) and walk briskly into an elderly woman, knocking her down and breaking her hip. I wouldn't support having the man charged with battery on the woman as it wasn't intentional. That said, the man is obviously liable for civil damages for medical care for the woman.

The problem with guns is that it's practically impossible to have a discussion without extreme emotion clouding the issue. I understand that people strongly oppose concealed carry. But that isn't a justification to stop a liberal approach to criminal punishment.

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Man shoots self in buttocks in Brighton Home Depot with gun he was carrying [View all] hue Dec 2013 OP

If he only had a gun for protection! Laf.La.Dem. Dec 2013 #1

No charges filed by police including discharge of a weapon in a store Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #2

Of course not. He was just assing for it. pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #4

Lol nice one! TxDemChem Dec 2013 #11

Oh, another wise crack, eh? NBachers Dec 2013 #31

Cheeky, aren't I? pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #34

I'm a little behind on this story Happyhippychick Dec 2013 #53

No prob--your commoonity newspaper should have it soon pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #57

not to butt in here, butt magical thyme Dec 2013 #62

Don't worry, I expect to hit bottom soon pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #65

Now the poor fellow's going to be the butt of jokes. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2013 #64

A real pain in the butt! Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #82

And for that advice he thanks you from the heart of his bottom pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #94

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Bookmarking so I can save your post for posteriority pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #110

>>>>groan<<<< antiquie Dec 2013 #119

tush� GreatCaesarsGhost Dec 2013 #117

Just when I hit bottom for new material, you came through pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #118

Exactly etherealtruth Dec 2013 #6

Maybe he should have kept it as strictly a home appliance. nt pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #8

He sure as hell is not responsible enough to be out in public with it etherealtruth Dec 2013 #9

It's that mentality that has filled our prisons needlessly. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #26

I had not suggested jail, nor has anyone else etherealtruth Dec 2013 #29

I don't believe in legal charges for accidents. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #39

Well on this we are going to disagree etherealtruth Dec 2013 #43

You were talking about charges up above. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #46

I don't think you meant to be contraditctory but are ... etherealtruth Dec 2013 #51

There is no constitutional right to carry a gun concealed. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #67

Agree with etheraltruth northoftheborder Dec 2013 #126

"Unless there is direct evidence that the man's conduct was grossly negligent" Thor_MN Dec 2013 #52

How so? NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #59

"Not all accidents are due to negligence" - correct, some are due to downright stupidity! George II Dec 2013 #72

This is true. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #75

No luck involved. No trigger pulled itself. If a person is so unconscious that they mbperrin Dec 2013 #87

Guns BobUp Dec 2013 #125

the guys is a stupid asshole Skittles Dec 2013 #129

Exhibit A. The man's ass. Thor_MN Dec 2013 #84

Wow, got to love that method of thinking. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #89

Nice false equivalence Thor_MN Dec 2013 #96

No false equivalence. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #97

Every city ordinance I have read simply reads "discharge of a fiream" Thor_MN Dec 2013 #100

I was making fun of the absolutism in your post. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #102

Ah, the last refuge. "I was joking" Thor_MN Dec 2013 #103

here's my city ordinance ...... oldhippie Dec 2013 #115

A car is mainly used to get from Point A to Point B. blueamy66 Dec 2013 #104

Given that hunting takes of deer far outnumber any other use in the United States NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #106

Ok. So a gun's number one use is to kill. blueamy66 Dec 2013 #109

How about, say 200 hours, avebury Dec 2013 #74

It would not be unreasonable etherealtruth Dec 2013 #88

This isn't akin to a fender bender etherealtruth Dec 2013 #38

No. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #40

Nutmeg....was that you who shot himself in the butt? loudsue Dec 2013 #50

I have a classical liberal view on the use of criminal charges. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #73

would you still be saying the same if that "accidental" shot had injured or killed someone? niyad Dec 2013 #41

People are sometimes hurt or killed in accidents. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #54

And what it the bullet had hit and killed a child standing nearby? George II Dec 2013 #71

He had the safety off. alfredo Dec 2013 #91

Not all of them have one. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #93

Well, there was ONE consequence Demeter Dec 2013 #45

Aryan Michigan etherealtruth Dec 2013 #47

It wasn't intentional. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #24

Agree with no jail for this, but a fine and loss of ability to carry weapon in public is justified groundloop Dec 2013 #32

Can you prove it was irresponsibility? NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #36

The fact that he shot himself in a public place is proof of irresponsibility to me. MH1 Dec 2013 #61

You misunderstood/misrepresented my position. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #69

LOL, really, so it was a responsible accidental firing of his gun. WTF?? n-t Logical Dec 2013 #70

So you subscribe to the Republican view of responsibility? NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #80

A gun requires more responsibility than a normal accident. Get it? n-t Logical Dec 2013 #83

No I don't get it. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #90

LOL, I am pro-gun. I have a CC license and own many guns. But the responsibility.... Logical Dec 2013 #92

And do what differently? NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #95

Simple Mistake??? Ok, no need to discuss this with you any longer. Bye! n-t Logical Dec 2013 #99

I actually find driving a car to be higher. NutmegYankee Dec 2013 #98

You are not driving a car for self defense. You have to drive a car. You don't have to carry a gun. Logical Dec 2013 #121

This is the response I would expect from a serious gun advocate etherealtruth Dec 2013 #105

The Law says no discharging in graveyards though Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #55

This looks like reckless endangerment to me. BlueMTexpat Dec 2013 #60

what if it had iamthebandfanman Dec 2013 #86

Was his gun named Skittles? smokey nj Dec 2013 #3

The beauty of this wilt the stilt Dec 2013 #5

Wood for that new project $100 liberal N proud Dec 2013 #7

Well, you know how to stop one bad ass with a gun? KansDem Dec 2013 #10

There are those that can't tell their ass from a hole in the ground hobbit709 Dec 2013 #12

Well, now this A-hole has TWO holes in his!!! George II Dec 2013 #79

What if he had shot someone else? n/t malaise Dec 2013 #13

Instead of Home Depot, what if he'd been picking up a child at a day care center? nt pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #15

They absolutely do not care about that. They're like most pols. valerief Dec 2013 #18

Civil matter. n/t Feral Child Dec 2013 #28

Hope he had insurance to cover his derriere bucolic_frolic Dec 2013 #14

It probably was a derriereinger pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #17

ROFL malaise Dec 2013 #19

My ass bleeds for him. NOT. valerief Dec 2013 #16

Gun control is not shooting yourself in the ass. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #20

Too bad he didn't shoot himself on the other side. Crunchy Frog Dec 2013 #21

Smells like ass and gunpowder Blue Owl Dec 2013 #22

He'd better Turbineguy Dec 2013 #23

Perhaps he planned to use it on the self-checkout machine. MindPilot Dec 2013 #25

He's going to be the butt of jokes forever. marmar Dec 2013 #27

If has asshole had a gun, it could have defended itself BlueStreak Dec 2013 #30

Just what we need--another asshole with a gun. nt pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #33

You beat me to it egold2604 Dec 2013 #68

Must be some sort of... 3catwoman3 Dec 2013 #37

An asshole with a hole in his ass. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #42

Must've scared the shit out of whoever was behind him in line NBachers Dec 2013 #44

Another gunfucker too stupid to own a gun. Iggo Dec 2013 #48

Dumb ass. n/t Sophiegirl Dec 2013 #49

Whoops davidthegnome Dec 2013 #56

Juanita Jean had some fun with story Gothmog Dec 2013 #58

Hilarity and gratitude! MADem Dec 2013 #63

So the gun made an ...ass hole? L0oniX Dec 2013 #66

Indeed. davidthegnome Dec 2013 #76

He doesn't realize how close he came MurrayDelph Dec 2013 #77

But guns are so safe! nt Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2013 #78

While I love stories like this Politicalboi Dec 2013 #81

LOL! City Lights Dec 2013 #85

It would be good to see his name published. gulliver Dec 2013 #101

One man shoots self in butt, Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #107

You betcha! It's his freedumbs and liberties to shoot hisself wherever he wants. valerief Dec 2013 #111

if only he had more guns to protect himself samsingh Dec 2013 #108

Hisself. Say it write. valerief Dec 2013 #113

A musical interlude for the "butt hurt" victim of this shooting......... rdharma Dec 2013 #112

The thread I posted in about this topic last night was locked by the GD hosts. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #114

This one was locked and then unlocked etherealtruth Dec 2013 #127

He's fortunate it didn't cause any brain damage! Scootaloo Dec 2013 #116

Unlocking ... In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #120

If BobUp Dec 2013 #122

Another IWBer I bet. ileus Dec 2013 #123

IWBer? Meaning, without a holster? ManiacJoe Dec 2013 #124

Most won't invest in a "good" IWB holster ileus Dec 2013 #128

Anyone who believes they need to be"packing" to go to Home Depot... bvar22 Dec 2013 #130