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66. Then, per the Church, Rudy is an adulteror, living in mortal sin

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 04:01 PM

Dec 2013

and cannot partake of the sacraments. When he dies, he will go to Hell.

Furthermore, I have indeed shown you already, where Canon Law that states EXACTLY how the Church views divorce and remarriage, i.e. it is

"a grave offense against NATURAL LAW' and that DESTROYS a canonical marriage", it goes on to talk about how egregious it is to children.

It also states "Divorce is immoral and introduces disorder into the family and into society" and " it truly a plague on society"

Furthermore, on the issue of co-habitation...

Carnal union is morally legitimate only when a definitive community of life between a man and woman has been established. Human love does not tolerate "trial marriages." It demands a total and definitive gift of persons to one another.184

We can do this all day if you want. It is obvious you do not know Canon Law. I do not fault you for that, but you really do not know what you are talking about.

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Stop Fawning Over Pope Francis at the Expense of Women and Gay Rights [View all] Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 OP

Women & LGBT don�t need Catholics to be their friends, we need them to stop actively challenging PeaceNikki Dec 2013 #1

This ^^ is a very important point. Squinch Dec 2013 #110

Many progressive women are Catholics -- in fact, Catholic women pnwmom Dec 2013 #124

That's awesome. PeaceNikki Dec 2013 #128

They finance organizations to fight poverty. pnwmom Dec 2013 #139

Again, awesome! But it doesn't change the fact they actively fight against my rights and the rights PeaceNikki Dec 2013 #144

No problem on the economics - TBF Dec 2013 #146

Can't we see a glass half full? treestar Dec 2013 #2

Let's use your analogy. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #5

A bit confused... pipi_k Dec 2013 #39

That's not what I meant. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #40

Pope Francis is not batshit insane. Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #71

Did I say Pope Francis is batshit insane? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #75

Mea Culpa. Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #78

We got those two things treestar Dec 2013 #87

Legalizing weed is a trivial issue compared to economic justice for all. pnwmom Dec 2013 #125

Well, yes. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #129

Yes. We must stamp out anything and anyone who isn't ideologically pure LittleBlue Dec 2013 #3

Is it honest to present a request to stop fawning as a demand to 'stamp out' anything? Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #21

So why fawn over that? LittleBlue Dec 2013 #34

+100% /nt demwing Dec 2013 #45

I just asked if you think your hyperbolic language is honest. Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #57

My hyperbolic language was in response to the hyperbolic language in the OP LittleBlue Dec 2013 #61

The last line is the kicker... PeaceNikki Dec 2013 #4

Bingo. That really IS the kicker. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #11

and completely unable to see how they are intertwined. PeaceNikki Dec 2013 #13

Unable or just unwilling? Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #31

How are we "tossing aside" issues simply because we see some good coming from Francis? OnionPatch Dec 2013 #114

Nice straw man argument. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #119

Yup. That line absolutely nailed it... SidDithers Dec 2013 #50

Birth control is necessary to economic progress. It's necessary for our environment. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #6

This is the meat and potatoes of the article: Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #7

But but but popey-poo said people should be NICE to us while they strip us of our rights. PeaceNikki Dec 2013 #8

He has a really crappy car! LeftyMom Dec 2013 #9

A Renault, FFS. PeaceNikki Dec 2013 #10

Don't forget he's Batman at night Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #16

I'm curious, given all the recent Robertson flap, LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #117

He's been in office for, what, eight months? Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #12

How much did Dubya accomplish in his first year? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #15

"called for"? How is that different from the Pope? El_Johns Dec 2013 #17

You focus on that? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #19

Yes, because your key point is that the Pope is all talk -- so why do you include mere talk El_Johns Dec 2013 #23

It wasn't all talk. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #26

Yet Guantanamo is still open. El_Johns Dec 2013 #29

Yeah, congress wouldn't give him the money to do that. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #32

And people here on DU BLAME him for not using the magic wand to make it go POOOOF!!!!!! MADem Dec 2013 #127

The difference between pipi_k Dec 2013 #47

Apples and oranges Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #20

What "moving in the right direction" is happening? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #24

He's changing the emphasis of teh church Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #25

Maslow and Pareto efficiency gulliver Dec 2013 #30

Okay, let's talk about starving people. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #38

Restaurants could also sell nothing but frozen food. gulliver Dec 2013 #51

Restaurants are out to make money. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #59

How much is in your bank account? 401(K)? No Vested Interest Dec 2013 #72

It's not my job to spend all my (meager) money on the poor. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #74

Not the chief function of the Church. Only a secondary mission. No Vested Interest Dec 2013 #77

That's not their job at all, though they do a lot of that. MADem Dec 2013 #130

So, their job is to hoard money and spread their religion? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #131

Well, you'll have to ask them about that. I do know that their "job" isn't MADem Dec 2013 #132

You are wrong about him being able to change doctrine. A Pope CANNOT change Church doctrine. Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #35

He doesn't have to 'let' gay people get married, just stop actively challenging their rights. Same PeaceNikki Dec 2013 #37

Your being perplexed might spring from a lack of knowledge about Francis' role as Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #42

Rudy got an annulment, it is NOT divorce Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #53

His first marriage annulment. The second, the mother of his children, he divorced Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #62

Then, per the Church, Rudy is an adulteror, living in mortal sin Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #66

I was countering the contention that Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #89

Yep, lots of people do what they please, or at least pick what they please Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #93

actually when it comes to supporters of abortion rights dsc Dec 2013 #102

Rudy thinks the rules don't apply to him. He gets away with it, too...! MADem Dec 2013 #133

How is it you deem Rudy Guiliani "a Good Catholic"? No Vested Interest Dec 2013 #73

Who am I to judge? Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #90

Um, yes the pope can absolutely change canon law. All popes have. NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #44

Those are small changes in Canon Law, NOT changes in Doctrine Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #56

I guess Pope Francis can't wave some magic wand and fix everything then. pa28 Dec 2013 #81

Oh hell no! Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #82

Seemingly we have been going through waves of topics... Jesus Malverde Dec 2013 #112

Your assumption that he wants to 'move the bus' on homophobia in his Church Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #33

Chalk me up as "unaware" Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #43

Can you give examples of what you mean by "ardent & vicious attacker"? As I understand it, El_Johns Dec 2013 #55

Francis said stopping marriage equality was 'God's war'. He said gay relationships Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #63

Just last year Ratzinger said: El_Johns Dec 2013 #67

I've found the source of 3 of your quotes -- all from the same internal El_Johns Dec 2013 #85

He's an absolute monarch whose word is law. He has absolute control over the church. NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #41

Not hardly Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #46

Wrong. The pope can change Canon law at any time. NYC Liberal Dec 2013 #49

OK, show me the evidence n/t Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #58

They cannot, because none exists. Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #69

"I do not fault them for not agreeing". No Vested Interest Dec 2013 #76

It is sad, because I believe the Roman Catholic Church needs some 21st Century updating Drahthaardogs Dec 2013 #79

Thank you. 840high Dec 2013 #107

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He doesn't have to be perfect.... Bigmack Dec 2013 #18

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I remember that he is a politician and he had previously spoken in favor of equality Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #52

I never let up on Obama, either. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #54

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"Pope Francis� representative to Uganda concerned by new anti-gay law" Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #65

yes, but only concerned that the punishment does not fit the sin (the crime) Laughing Mirror Dec 2013 #141

Both the Ugandan Catholic church & the international Catholic church have taken very public El_Johns Dec 2013 #68

82% of Uganda is either Catholic or Anglican, nothing happens there without Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #91

You make that claim; where's your evidence? Are you claiming the Catholic Church runs Uganda? El_Johns Dec 2013 #92

Your claim is that 82% of the population had nothing to do with this law? Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #98

Funny. Your claim amounts to saying that even though both the Ugandan Catholic hierarchy El_Johns Dec 2013 #99

This 'which group of anti gay religionists is most culpable' trip is your own. To me they are all Bluenorthwest Dec 2013 #115

Does your dislike of religion give you free rein to misrepresent the facts? El_Johns Dec 2013 #137

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I like him - that does 840high Dec 2013 #108

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Homophobe, Misogynist, and defender of child rapists... Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #101

"progressive pin up"? rug Dec 2013 #104

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Stop telling me what to do oldhippie Dec 2013 #109

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Recognizing the Pope's emphasis on the poor Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #113

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I don't know that many here are "denying his bigotry and opposition to women's rights." Le Taz Hot Dec 2013 #118

You're missing the point entirely. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #120

Exactly AuntPatsy Dec 2013 #126

Oh, brother. LWolf Dec 2013 #121

I don't perceive approval for one or more policy fixes as 'fawning' LanternWaste Dec 2013 #123

Of course! He spoke out against Western corporate malfeasance! We MUST hate him now! Rex Dec 2013 #134

k&r This pope is a homophobic bigot, forced-birther, and protector of institutionalised pedophilia. idwiyo Dec 2013 #135

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I like this Pope. Beacool Dec 2013 #140