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4. I pirate to the extent that I feel I have a right to do so

Sun Dec 29, 2013, 10:31 PM

Dec 2013

When I buy an e-book, I decrypt it so that it cannot easily be taken away from me and so that I can read it on whatever device I want to read it on. When I buy a movie, I decrypt it and re-encode it so that we can watch it via our media server or via the little media server in the van. When I buy a song, I copy it to my home server as well as our various MP3 players. When I buy a piece of software, I sometimes install it on multiple machines so that I can use it in different locations at different times. When I buy the kids a DS game, I copy the ROM to an R4 and keep the DS cartridge safe at home so that they don't lose it.

What I think we need in this country is a law similar to the first purchase doctrine for licensed IP. When I "buy" an MP3, movie, or e-book, I should own that copy. That means that I should be able to transfer it from device to device and even to re-sell it provided that I no longer keep my copy.

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Your view on media piracy. How strongly are you against it? [View all] Locut0s Dec 2013 OP

You know - I'll take grief for this - but it's just ripping people off el_bryanto Dec 2013 #1

I don't think you should receive grief for it at all... Locut0s Dec 2013 #2

I agree. zappaman Dec 2013 #11

No, they're not Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #18

Ummmm... 99Forever Jan 2014 #121

You are 100% correct! nt Logical Dec 2013 #30

Except the victim of the teleporter can point to an empty spot on his shelf. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #40

More like a gun that makes me a perfect replica of something in a store, Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #78

Your analogy doesn't find the situation. Imagine your device is a 3d printer and it recreates.... Taitertots Dec 2013 #95

Well JJChambers Dec 2013 #3

Did you mean to lay that out like a poem? Locut0s Dec 2013 #5

I believe this is a scene from the movie 'Office Space': Common Sense Party Dec 2013 #106

I pirate to the extent that I feel I have a right to do so FreeJoe Dec 2013 #4

Agreed this is one of the largest sources of "piracy" Locut0s Dec 2013 #6

I wouldn't call what you do piracy kcr Dec 2013 #12

I don't think of it as piracy... FreeJoe Dec 2013 #13

Indeed. kcr Dec 2013 #14

I do the same! But always buy it. Most do not! nt Logical Dec 2013 #32

A thief is a thief. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2013 #7

It';s not theft Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #19

When a person takes something that doesn't belong to that person Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #116

But traditionally the definition of theft... Locut0s Jan 2014 #119

Agree! theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #66

So you would have no problem with the various industries being forced to replace and Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #114

You bought a recording, a copy, not an infinite number of copies. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #117

Not according to RIAA. You should learn about something before you decide whether Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #120

The complexity surrounding media ownership muddies what is right and wrong. onehandle Dec 2013 #8

When it comes to movies. Incitatus Dec 2013 #9

I don't do it. Agschmid Dec 2013 #10

Perhaps this video will explain my thought on Piracy MattBaggins Dec 2013 #15

if you're a professional songwriter that latest miley cyrus song download is stealing your living. spanone Dec 2013 #16

No, it's not Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #20

I feel if I purchase an item, I don't need to repurchase it mythology Dec 2013 #17

If it's available legally, I will pay for it. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #21

I am a creator and have strong feelings against it. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #22

But there are also ways to put out your own RPGs Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #24

Yes and no' and I ran my own small company for a few years nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #25

How so? Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #27

Just getting a table is expensive as hell nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #29

Thanks, that explains it Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #35

I agree... Locut0s Dec 2013 #28

Believe me, no I would not. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #31

I think Steam has moved things in the right direction Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #34

And so has drive through nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #36

I self-publish too Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #38

I have an occupy book on smash words nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #39

It IS fun to write them Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #47

I actually am dealing with male rape nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #52

I'm middling on it Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #23

Off topic. Being a big super hero fan... Locut0s Dec 2013 #26

New 52 is ugh Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #33

A few other decent New 52s... sweetloukillbot Dec 2013 #43

Oooh, hadn't heard about a new Sandman mini Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #45

It's a prequel to the original series sweetloukillbot Dec 2013 #54

And just ordered it from Amazon Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #55

I view it as easy shoplifting. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #37

I'm old enough that most of my music is on record albums. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #41

I have 1000s of records, CDs, DVDs, books and comics.... sweetloukillbot Dec 2013 #44

This is why there's been a big push to PPV Prophet 451 Dec 2013 #46

I really don't care if people pirate stuff. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #42

I have to pay for anything else I buy. Why wouldn't I buy the movie or song I plan on liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #48

... Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #53

If there was essentially an infinite amount of bread RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #75

I wish China would follow copyright laws. Rex Dec 2013 #49

China had no concept of copyright until the 1980's Xithras Dec 2013 #57

My music collection is approximately 130 gb. Most of it was torrented Gravitycollapse Dec 2013 #50

I am divided in my opinion on it. KitSileya Dec 2013 #51

I think it doesn't matter how we feel - it's here. MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #56

Very true davidpdx Dec 2013 #60

Media companies have shown an amazing unwillingness to accept reality. KitSileya Dec 2013 #65

Yep davidpdx Dec 2013 #70

Oh, don't I know what it's like to live in different time zones! KitSileya Dec 2013 #94

If you can prove damages, its too bad for the songwriters. You can't though NoOneMan Dec 2013 #58

I used to think it was wrong goldent Dec 2013 #59

Being outside the US I have a different take on piracy davidpdx Dec 2013 #61

I blame the content distributors who... Locut0s Dec 2013 #63

The pirated DVD stands have become rare in Korea davidpdx Dec 2013 #71

Thanks for the info... Locut0s Dec 2013 #72

I can believe the DVD stands still exist in China davidpdx Dec 2013 #74

I kind of get that, in that I like to watch foreign shows treestar Dec 2013 #68

It is getting harder to limit the content davidpdx Dec 2013 #73

Piracy is inherently sharing. joshcryer Dec 2013 #62

We'll the question is. Do you have the right to share it? Locut0s Dec 2013 #64

Do I have the right to share my potato chips after I buy them? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #90

Only if you can un-eat them. Glassunion Dec 2013 #100

Where in the law does it say that? Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #103

I was using your analogy. Glassunion Dec 2013 #104

This is where bootlegs come in. joshcryer Dec 2013 #108

See post 101 Glassunion Dec 2013 #109

That presumes you would've sold those copies without Napster. joshcryer Dec 2013 #111

You're right I guess. Glassunion Dec 2013 #112

I think there are always unfortunate side effects. joshcryer Dec 2013 #113

You are correct, that most viceral artists do not care about popularity. Glassunion Dec 2013 #115

When a thing has zero marginal cost is is unethical not to. joshcryer Dec 2013 #98

I've never done anything like that treestar Dec 2013 #67

Actually there is a huge brouhaha on YouTube going on right now surrounding copywriter issues... Locut0s Dec 2013 #69

Strongly, once they return copyright to 20 yrs. until then, required on point Dec 2013 #76

My views on such a thing... Xyzse Dec 2013 #77

Thanks for the link!... Locut0s Dec 2013 #81

No prob. Xyzse Dec 2013 #84

I agree with the pre-'80s court judgments. When the company sells it's product Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #79

In college, we had to... bobclark86 Dec 2013 #80

Adblock adds another interesting kink to the mix... Locut0s Dec 2013 #83

If you want money... bobclark86 Dec 2013 #92

+1000 Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #93

I'm ambivalent bhikkhu Dec 2013 #82

As someone who has made his living with words since 1974, MineralMan Dec 2013 #85

I wrote a paper on this back in 2000 tabbycat31 Dec 2013 #86

I took my family to see the Hobbit... SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #87

Give your music away for free and make your money from the concerts ...like usual. L0oniX Dec 2013 #88

If someone doesn't want me to share their art I don't. hunter Dec 2013 #89

I think knowledge and all forms of art should be free. Neoma Dec 2013 #91

there has to be a way for the artist to make a living. Some have suggested that liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #96

To me, it's whether you're doing it for the sake of art or not. Neoma Dec 2013 #97

Does *yawn* count? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #99

Speaking from experience. Glassunion Dec 2013 #101

I feel complete indifference about it. nt bemildred Dec 2013 #102

Welcome to DU! Another Cheesehead always appreciated (assuming). Scuba Dec 2013 #107

Software I use freeware as much as I can. Initech Dec 2013 #110

I don't illegally download music, movies, etc, and think it is wrong to do so. n/t tammywammy Jan 2014 #118

What if you pay for an album... lame54 Jan 2014 #122

Unfortunately it doesn't matter what the artist thinks... Locut0s Jan 2014 #123

i'm not asking about the written law... lame54 Jan 2014 #125

I have nothing against it, except... Locut0s Jan 2014 #127

Completely opposed. MadrasT Jan 2014 #124

I do it and I think it's wrong, but I don't care... penultimate Jan 2014 #126

The only thing I pirate is premium channel content BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #128