Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

polly7

(20,582 posts)
78. What war?
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 10:18 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Thu Mar 6, 2014, 09:10 AM - Edit history (7)

And here's a little more info on the weapons you seem to believe are better than any other and the devastation they cause.

By Medea Benjamin

Tuesday, November 05, 2013

Excerpts:

On October 29, the Rehman family—a father with his two children—came all the way from the Pakistani tribal territory of North Waziristan to the US Capitol to tell the heart-wrenching story of the death of the children’s beloved 67-year-old grandmother. And while the briefing, organized by Congressman Alan Grayson, was only attended by four other congresspeople, it was packed with media.

Watching the beautiful 9-year-old Nabila relate how her grandmother was blown to bits while outside picking okra softened the hearts of even the most hardened DC politicos. From the Congressmen to the translator to the media, tears flowed. Even the satirical journalist Dana Milbank, who normally pokes fun at everything and everyone in his Washington Post column, Example: covered the family’s tragedy with genuine sympathy.

The visit by the Rehman family was timed for the release of the groundbreaking new documentary Example Unmanned: America’s Drone Wars by Robert Greenwald of Brave New Foundation. The emotion-packed film is filled with victims’ stories, including that of 16-year-old Tariq Aziz, a peace-loving, soccer-playing teenager obliterated three days after attending an anti-drone conference in Islamabad. Lawyers in the firm pose the critical question: If Tariq was a threat, why didn’t they capture him at the meeting and give him the right to a fair trial? Another just released documentary is Wounds of Waziristan, a well-crafted, 20-minute piece by Pakistani filmmaker Madiha Tahir that explains how drone attacks rip apart communities and terrorize entire populations.

Just as the visit and the films have put real faces on drone victims, a plethora of new reports by prestigious institutions—five in total—have exposed new dimensions of the drone wars.


Full article and more on the Global Drone Summit November 16-17 in Washington DC: http://www.zcommunications.org/drones-have-come-out-of-the-shadows-by-medea-benjamin.html

Human Rights Watch

Amnesty International

License to Kill, released by the Geneva-based group Al Karama

Adding to these well-researched reports by non-governmental organizations are two documents commissioned by the United Nations. One is by Christof Heyns, the UN's special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions. The other is by Ben Emmerson, the special rapporteur on human rights and counter-terrorism.

Video.

http://www.democracynow.org/2013/2/8/codepink_repeatedly_disrupts_brennan_hearing_calling

Thursday’s confirmation hearing for CIA nominee John Brennan was briefly postponed to clear the room of activists from CODEPINK after they repeatedly disrupted Brennan’s testimony. One woman held a list of Pakistani children killed in U.S. drone strikes. Former U.S. diplomat Col. Ann Wright interrupted Brennan while wearing a sign around her neck with the name of Tariq Aziz, a 16-year-old Pakistani boy who was killed in a U.S. drone strike in 2011. Wright and seven others were arrested. We speak to CODEPINK founder Medea Benjamin, who also disrupted the meeting and recently visited Pakistan to speak with victims of drone strikes. "It’s not only the killing, it’s the terrorizing of entire populations, where they hear the drones buzzing overhead 24 hours a day, where they’re afraid to go to school, afraid to go to the markets, to funerals, to weddings, where it disrupts entire communities," Benjamin says. "And we are trying to get this information to our elected officials, to say, 'You are making us unsafe here at home,' to say nothing of how illegal, immoral and inhumane these policies are." [includes rush transcript]


JOANNE LINGLE: 178 children killed by drones in Pakistan. And Mr. Brennan, if you don’t know who they are, I have a list. I have a list with all the names and the ages.

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN: All right, I’m going to—we’re going to halt the hearing. I’m going to ask that the room be cleared and that the CODEPINK associates not be permitted to come back in. Done this five times now, and five times are enough.




"Go to Sleep or I Will Call the Planes"

—By Adam Serwer| Wed Apr. 24, 2013 6:01 AM PDT

A week ago, activist Farea al-Muslimi was live-tweeting the aftermath of a drone attack on his childhood village of Wessab in Yemen. Monday, he was testifying before a Senate subcommittee on the legality and impact of the Obama administration's targeted killing program. It was the first time Congress has heard from a witness with anything close to first-hand experience with being on the receiving end of a drone strike.

"Women used to say [to kids] go to sleep or I will call your father," Muslimi said. "Now they say go to sleep, or I will call the planes."

Last week's strike killed Hameed al-Radmi, described by the US government as an Al Qaeda leader, and four suspected militants. But Muslimi told the Senate that Radmi had recently met with Yemeni government officials, and could easily have been captured, rather than killed in a strike that alienated everyone in the village.

"[A]ll they have is the psychological fear and terror that now occupies their souls," Muslimi said of the residents of Wessab. "They fear that their home or a neighbor's home could be bombed at any time by a U.S. drone." President Obama received some backup from an unlikely source—Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who has spent the last week criticizing the Obama administration for handling the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings in civilian court. Graham said although he would prefer to capture terror suspects, Yemeni officials couldn't be trusted to apprehend them. "The world we live in is where if you share this closely held information you're going to end up tipping off somebody," Graham told Muslimi.


Full Article: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/04/yemen-drone-strikes-senate-hearing

http://childvictimsofwar.org.uk/get-informed/drone-warfare/

“Even one child death from drone missiles or suicide bombings is one child death too many. Children have no place in war and all parties should do their utmost to protect children from violent attacks at all times.” Sarah Crowe UNICEF

US: Strikes Kill Civilians in Yemen Youtube video by Human Rights Watch

Remote Killing of Civilians

The US has used armed drones in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Libya, Somalia and recently in the Phillipines. Over 200 children have already been killed in these strikes since 2004. See The Bureau of Investigative Journalism

Change.org

Cease deadly drone strikes that kill civilians in Pakistan.

http://www.change.org/petitions/cease-deadly-drone-strikes-that-kill-civilians-in-pakistan



"Real people are suffering real harm" but these civilian deaths by drones are being mostly ignored by governmental oversight agencies and also by the news media according to James Cavallaro of Stanford University, one of the authors of a study by Stanford and NYU in the report, "Living Under Drones". The results of this recent study reported on Sept. 25, 2012 concludes that only about 2% of drone casualties are top militant leaders. Up to 884 civilians, including 176 children have been killed in Pakistan since 2004 due to drone strikes.

"Will I Be Next?" US Drone Strikes in Pakistan

In October 2012, 8-year-old Nabeela ventured out with her 68-year-old grandmother Mamana Bibi to do daily chores in their family's large, open field. Moments later, Mamana was blasted into pieces by a US drone strike that appears to have been aimed directly at her. Amnesty International did not find any evidence she was endangering anyone, let alone posing an imminent threat to the US. Yet a year has passed and the US government has not acknowledged Mamana Bibi's death, let alone provided justice or compensation for it.

"Will I be next?," a new report from Amnesty International, finds that this killing, and several other so-called targeted killings from US drone strikes in Pakistan, may constitute extrajudicial executions or war crimes. Based on interviews with 60 survivors and eyewitnesses to these strikes, "Will I be next?" documents potentially unlawful killings and abuses, and makes recommendations to the US government for how to uphold the right to life and ensure accountability for any unlawful killings.




http://dronespakistan.amnestyusa.org/

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/security-and-human-rights/drones/will-i-be-next

War from Above
by Richard Hugus / January 2nd, 2014

There is little news about the down side to hosting drones in all these areas of the country, each with a populace that has simply not been consulted. Drones first came to our attention at the beginning of “the war on terror.” We learned of them first as weapons for highly illegal, cowardly, and indiscriminate “targeted killings” in foreign lands? These weapons have murdered countless innocent people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia pursuant to “kill lists” drawn up every week by the CIA and Pentagon, and approved by the White House. These weapons fulfill the US Air Force’s fantasy of “death from above,” carried out by pilots working in the security and comfort of US bases who, acting as judge, jury, and executioner, destroy supposed enemies from computer consoles as if it were a video game. The cowardliness of wars of aggression being conducted against innocent people in dirt-poor lands by unseen “UAV pilots” in air-conditioned offices thousands of miles away cannot be over-emphasized. This is what unmanned aircraft have brought so far to the reputation of the United States – a new low in the entire universe of human ethics. Murder abroad is but the advance of capitalism at home. Wedding parties in Afghanistan have been decimated so that Amazon can deliver cds and smart phones to our door by drone.

http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/01/war-from-above/

Voices From the Drone Summit:
On one occasion, Hale located an individual who had been involved with Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs). The man was riding a motorcycle in the mountains early in the morning. He met up with four other people around a campfire drinking tea. Hale relayed the information that led to a drone strike, which killed all five men. Hale had no idea whether the other four men had done anything. Hale had thought he was part of an operation protecting Afghanistan. But when the other four men died – a result of “guilt by association” – Hale realized he “was no longer part of something moral or sane or rational.” He had heard someone say that “terrorists are cowards” because they used IEDs. “What was different,” Hale asked, “between that and the little red joy stick that pushes a button thousands of miles away”?
http://www.zcommunications.org/voices-from-the-drone-summit-by-marjorie-cohn.html

I learned all kinds of things. We were told that a lot of people killed by drones were people who would have been very easy to capture. We got examples of young men who were travelling and had just passed a checkpoint, and a mile after they were killed by a drone. Or people who were living right outside the capital city, Sana’a, and maybe would have turned themselves in to figure out why the US wanted to kill them, but they had no way of knowing.
http://www.zcommunications.org/drone-wars-by-medea-benjamin.html

The two drone strikes in November show that these attacks don’t just kill and maim individuals. They also blow up peace talks. They weaken democratically elected governments. They sabotage bilateral relations. They sow hatred and resentment.
http://www.zcommunications.org/drone-strikes-in-pakistan-reapers-of-their-own-destruction-by-medea-benjamin.html

http://www.livingunderdrones.org/

http://unmanned.warcosts.com/stream

http://dronespakistan.amnestyusa.org/

Kareem Khan is free. And you should care.
by William Boardman / February 26th, 2014

In 2009, my home was attacked by a drone. My brother and son were martyred. My son’s name was Hafiz Zahinullah. My brother’s name was Asif Iqbal. There was a third person who was a stone mason. He was a Pakistani. His name was Khaliq Dad…. Their bodies were covered with wounds. Later, I found some of their fingers in the rubble.

– Kareem Khan, a Pakistani journalist, speaking of his personal experience with civilians killed by Americans, in the documentary “Wounds of Waziristan,” 2013

… it is a hard fact that U.S. strikes have resulted in civilian casualties, a risk that exists in every war. And for the families of those civilians, no words or legal construct can justify their loss. For me and those in my chain of command, those deaths will haunt us as long as we live, just as we are haunted by the civilian casualties that have occurred throughout conventional fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.

– President Obama, May 23, 2013, at the National Defense University

http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/02/obama-drones-on/

http://www.journeyman.tv/66218/short-films/wounds-of-waziristan-hd.html

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Every time I read about the drone program, it enrages me. Land of the free? Psh. (nt) anti partisan Dec 2013 #1
That looks like an old out of style drone. solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #4
True, all that money spent on killing machines could be going toward a "Green New Deal" anti partisan Dec 2013 #7
Applause! swilton Dec 2013 #82
+1 Putting people back to work is so "Ross Perot". L0oniX Dec 2013 #11
Yeah! Putting people back to work is so "Ross Perot". Enthusiast Dec 2013 #59
Even more disgusting........Home of the brave. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2013 #12
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #2
... KG Dec 2013 #3
Frightening stuff n/t cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #5
Our masters, the US Military. Their piggy bank, the US Treasury. nt valerief Dec 2013 #6
Probably shouldn't have read this first thing in the morning. 99Forever Dec 2013 #8
And for the cost of just one of those hell fire missals zeemike Dec 2013 #9
n/r marmar Dec 2013 #10
We are targeting . . . another_liberal Dec 2013 #13
Our sociopath gov has made war clean to keep us from seeing what our vote gets us. L0oniX Dec 2013 #14
+1 One week of experiencing this in Fairfax County, VA, or Boston... woo me with science Dec 2013 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #41
I consider us all to be complicit in murder. L0oniX Dec 2013 #42
K&R. nt DLevine Dec 2013 #15
Compared to WW2.. iamthebandfanman Dec 2013 #17
Did someone threaten to destroy the US lately? The wedding party in Afghanistan, the nearly two sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #23
+100 solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #52
Sickening! I cannot even think of what we did in Libya and the ongoing brutality in that country sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #108
Lesser of two evils is still gut-wrenchingly evil. woo me with science Dec 2013 #18
Green for victory!!... SidDithers Dec 2013 #19
? whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #43
It's OK you don't understand. The OP knows what it means...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #69
Green? No, pink. For more detailed info on drones, read CODEPINK (although admittedly I have not). proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #65
Code Pink? LOL... SidDithers Dec 2013 #68
Their goofy antics as they confront raw power are entirely forgivable. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #71
+10 (nt) reACTIONary Dec 2013 #80
I love Code Pink. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #109
Of course you do... SidDithers Dec 2013 #117
And Sid loves errant drone strikes? think Dec 2013 #122
That's a pretty weak attempt... SidDithers Dec 2013 #125
Yes, your posts are so enlightening. think Dec 2013 #126
You've got a long way to go, grasshopper...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #127
You are correct. I am lacking. Perhaps you'd like to comment on the thread topic think Dec 2013 #128
This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #129
This message was self-deleted by its author think Dec 2013 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author think Dec 2013 #136
This message was self-deleted by its author DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #138
Sorry. I didn't get it. I am slow. think Dec 2013 #142
I self-deleted to avoid the confusion. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #143
You two self deleting everything fucked up the thread... snooper2 Dec 2013 #144
Is that supposed to mean something or a genuine acknowledgement that Democrats have always respected sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #157
Examine Jeremy Scahill's recent work, too. I haven't yet either but finally plan to, as well. proverbialwisdom Dec 2013 #66
When I was in the service, the UAV's that my unit operated weren't armed MrScorpio Dec 2013 #20
What's the difference between... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #81
Mission differences MrScorpio Dec 2013 #85
Mission differences are a valid (perhaps only valid) consideration... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #145
During my time in, we weren't arming the UAVs, at least the USAF wasn't MrScorpio Dec 2013 #149
All things being equal, bombing civilians is bad... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #151
None at all. Maedhros Dec 2013 #88
I'm not sure where you came up with this list... reACTIONary Dec 2013 #146
What "legitimate war" have we declared? Maedhros Dec 2013 #155
What warfare are we involved in? And how many #2 men are there? I remember during the Bush years sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #158
K&R. nt. polly7 Dec 2013 #21
It's just a way of delivering a bomb treestar Dec 2013 #22
I don't really know where to begin to respond to your comment. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #24
not sure if the naivety is feigned or real, but it is consistent. KG Dec 2013 #25
So you can't handle the question treestar Dec 2013 #27
hilarious. KG Dec 2013 #30
It's hilarious but astounding at the same time to see a Karl Rove, remember him, talkiing point sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #91
That is what Republicans say about Democrats 'they WANT us to be attacked by terrorists'. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #56
Do you even care that you sound EXACTLY like Dick Cheney? [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2013 #89
I'm not sure 'naivity' can occur suddenly after being apparently informed throughout the Bush sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #28
So why don't you complain equally against guns, bomber planes treestar Dec 2013 #26
Sigh! Who are we at war with? You have ignored the fact that there is no war going on. So why are sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #29
So why cry about a particular weapon? treestar Dec 2013 #33
Um, so you have not read any of my comments, you are rewinding the same old talking points and sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #37
"Technique" is the correct word, bvar22 Dec 2013 #58
That was one great post right there. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #62
I was being polite. You are correct, I recognize the technique very well. What gets me is that it sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #86
It is an interesting phenomenon. Enthusiast Dec 2013 #61
Thank you. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #87
So incredibly binary whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #46
Because an 8000 mile layer of abstraction dehumanizes and makes killing innocents easier. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #49
Except that it doesn't. Read the article: ucrdem Dec 2013 #98
Killing women and children in Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc etc is WRONG think Dec 2013 #31
What are we allowed to do about terrorists? treestar Dec 2013 #35
15 of the 19 terrorists in the 9/11 attack were from Saudi Arabia. think Dec 2013 #45
+1 a significant amount.......nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #63
Because solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #113
+100 theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #115
What terrrorists? Name them. Feinstein says we 'are in more danger than ever' 12 years after sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #50
The "right" to go after Al-Quaeda.. SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #60
This seems appropriate here: Maedhros Dec 2013 #90
We can stop creating terrorists. That'd be a fantastic start. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #93
Great Question, treestar. bvar22 Dec 2013 #154
I give up! 'It's better than a nuke'! sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #32
The victims of any weapon will suffer treestar Dec 2013 #38
"Question nothing" whatchamacallit Dec 2013 #47
Here's an idea solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #51
Are you talking to yourself? You made stuff up and then answered yourself. Are you aware of doing sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #53
The US was *founded* by "terrorists" solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #112
All she does is sit at her Puglover Dec 2013 #44
"A" war? El_Johns Dec 2013 #48
We do. Let's cut the big war budget by 50%. grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #75
This is one subject on which we can totally agree theHandpuppet Dec 2013 #116
Yes. So are mines NoOneMan Dec 2013 #34
You just dont get it. Not surprised. We are not at war. WE ARE NOT AT WAR. rhett o rick Dec 2013 #72
"it's just a way of killing children, that's all" grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #73
What war? polly7 Dec 2013 #78
Thanks for that great post! nt solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #114
You're welcome. Sorry about some of those links. polly7 Dec 2013 #147
Heart breaking. Thank you for posting. think Dec 2013 #121
You're very welcome. polly7 Dec 2013 #148
Drone warfare shows how the west will fall Harmony Blue Dec 2013 #36
What are we going to say when Russia or China DirkGently Dec 2013 #39
Well we have given them the right to do that haven't we? I doubt many in the world are going to be sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #54
Every time things improve, we let the barbarians back in. DirkGently Dec 2013 #55
heck, war only got big with the Renaissance MisterP Dec 2013 #57
You have every right to jump in! Thanks for the info, I was thinking of Smedley Butler sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #83
We're busy creating terrorists.... sendero Dec 2013 #40
I halfway imagine that is the idea. DirkGently Dec 2013 #64
+1 grahamhgreen Dec 2013 #74
I think I agree with you... sendero Dec 2013 #120
Organic evil. If the "right" parties benefit, things continue. DirkGently Dec 2013 #160
thank you heaven05 Dec 2013 #67
Notes From> Noam Chomsky: “Media Control” fleabiscuit Dec 2013 #70
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #76
Great quote- Those over 45 will remember (?) how we were told that the USSR solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #111
Let's look forward, not back. merrily Dec 2013 #77
, blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #79
She joined the US Army. What exactly did she think she'd be doing in the military? ucrdem Dec 2013 #84
Is there no atrocity you will NOT support in the name of your President? [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2013 #92
Did you read the article perchance? She has no problem killing people. ucrdem Dec 2013 #95
I'm not referring to the person in the article, I'm referring to YOU. Maedhros Dec 2013 #102
No kidding. nt ucrdem Dec 2013 #103
Golly, did you think I wouldn't see your response here? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #130
I don't suppose you have a point for us today? ucrdem Dec 2013 #133
Are you slow? DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #134
Thanks, that answers my question. nt ucrdem Dec 2013 #135
Mine too. I've confirmed that your word is useless. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #137
Did Santa forget to fill your stocking ucrdem Dec 2013 #139
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #140
Thanks for sharing. nt ucrdem Dec 2013 #141
Hehehe... SidDithers Dec 2013 #156
Wow, that's totally not disgusting for several different reasons. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #94
None of which you managed to identify. nt ucrdem Dec 2013 #96
Let's start with how you made Obama the victim of this somehow. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #97
Obama did not initiate this conflict. nt ucrdem Dec 2013 #99
And neither does he seem to be in any hurry to end it. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #100
He's in a hurry to get US troops out, and US and coalition fatalities are falling: ucrdem Dec 2013 #101
In a hurry to get them out? You've got to be kidding me. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #104
Sunday LA Times: "From MRAP to scrap: U.S. military chops up $1 million vehicles" ucrdem Dec 2013 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Dec 2013 #106
The drone she is showing is an surveillance drone Historic NY Dec 2013 #107
I don't think the writers choose the pictures for their articles solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #110
Heather looks like she needs a cup of coffee... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #118
This Brit was more creative solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #123
Also good... Lost_Count Dec 2013 #124
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2013 #119
"The drone program." LWolf Dec 2013 #150
I just wonder when then the government will turn these things against its own citizens. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #152
Just in case it was missed by the casual lurker, Maedhros Dec 2013 #161
Drones are not the problem. WatermelonRat Dec 2013 #153
drone terror bombing is just terrorism rafeh1 Dec 2013 #159
kick woo me with science Dec 2013 #162
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The Guardian: I worked on...»Reply #78