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125. Sure, if I saw two wrongs. I see ONE egregious wrong, which I saw way back when it began.

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 02:36 AM

Dec 2013

Elected officials take an oath. They are required to do one very important thing. 'Defend and Protect the Constitution of the US'.

When they hand over THEIR responsibility to do that to Bush appointees who then go right ahead and violate that sacred trust, someone needs to expose them. It SHOULD be our Representatives in Congress. Some of them TRIED, Democrat Udall and Ron Wyden eg, but most looked the other way.

Snowden should not have had to do what he did IF our Representatives honored their oath of office. Neither should Chelsea Manning. But they didn't and THAT is why Snowden and Manning and other whistle blowers like Ellsberg eg, and Binney and all the others who have risked everything to protect and defend our Constitutional Rights, are HEROES.

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Fuck... Another Hero Down The Tubes... Must Want His Chops Back... [View all] WillyT Dec 2013 OP

Never have heros liberal N proud Dec 2013 #1

Word !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #2

Clarke did work for George Bush. nt grasswire Dec 2013 #3

And Clinton Too... WillyT Dec 2013 #4

"I don�t know, but I don�t think anything that I�ve learned justifies the treasonous acts of neverforget Dec 2013 #5

Great Point... WillyT Dec 2013 #6

Errrrm except the panel had already made it's recommendations intaglio Dec 2013 #7

What "damage" exactly are you speaking of? LAGC Dec 2013 #11

Evidently noise Dec 2013 #14

ever heard the phrase "two wrongs don't make a right"? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #55

He could have exposed NSA . . . brush Dec 2013 #64

Not everyone wants to spend their life in prison. roody Dec 2013 #123

He exposed the DAMAGE BEING DONE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #17

This panel was put into place after Snowden neverforget Dec 2013 #22

The Panel was not empowered to consider its own creation bobduca Dec 2013 #33

under the bus you go, Richard Clark! Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #8

He's wrong, which is no reason to diminish all the times he was right, but he's wrong this time. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #18

No, he's really not wrong. gcomeau Dec 2013 #26

Clarke IS wrong. He tried it YOUR way and got nowhere. Nothing changed. Snowden's way is working sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #29

Really? gcomeau Dec 2013 #30

Clarke's own record is a refutation of what YOU asserted. Clarke KNEW the Bush sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #38

No, it really isn't. gcomeau Dec 2013 #48

Post something to back this up please: sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #50

Oh let's see...China AND Russia.. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #57

So The Guardian and Der Spiegel and the NYT are 'foreign governments'? Iow Snowden did NOT sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #62

YOU think their govts are not spying on THEM? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #63

Well, if the Russians had an opportunity to spy on Snowden, the only people to blame for that is the sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #65

OH PULEEZE! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #71

OH PULEEZE! You cannot possibly be so in love with Bush's Appointees in the NSA, Clapper who lied to sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #95

see prime example VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #107

Sure, if I saw two wrongs. I see ONE egregious wrong, which I saw way back when it began. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #125

I'll wait... gcomeau Dec 2013 #70

You will be waiting... zappaman Dec 2013 #87

Well, I suppose some enjoy the taste of foot... -eom gcomeau Dec 2013 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #108

Foot in mouth = permanent fixture Bobbie Jo Dec 2013 #97

One wonders how many feet can actually fit in a mouth? zappaman Dec 2013 #104

Holy Hell. That is absolutely astonishing, even for Snowden Number23 Dec 2013 #111

I think you are the one whose foot is in the wrong place. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #126

Wow... all that writing gcomeau Dec 2013 #128

Snowden is revealing the corruption of a Private Corporation, Booz Allen in this case. I hope that sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #129

Are you physically capable of staying on topic? gcomeau Dec 2013 #130

Here, let me make it simple for you. Allegiance to corrupt, multi-billion dollar Corporations is not sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #131

Or in summary... gcomeau Dec 2013 #132

'Yawn'! sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #133

Sigh gcomeau Dec 2013 #134

You got a little off topic didn't you? sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #135

I refer you to post 26. gcomeau Dec 2013 #138

He leaked it to EVERYONE gcomeau Dec 2013 #68

Good for him for exposing corruption in our government. He did the right thing, he leaked it to the sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #83

Try to get a handle on the difference... gcomeau Dec 2013 #85

Try to get a handle on just how important our Constitutional Rights are to the American people. It's sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #86

You didn't even read what I said did you? -eom gcomeau Dec 2013 #89

she has fingers in ears going la..la..la..la.. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #109

There it is again, that old Bush Supporter talking point about Liberals. I had so much sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #140

I'm a Bush supporter? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #141

I didn't say you were. I said you were using Right Wing attacks on Liberals which were as stupid sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #143

No actually you did....You think ANYONE who doesn't support Snowden is... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #144

+1 zappaman Dec 2013 #145

Lol, I could have bet on that response and won. Snowden IS a hero, like it or not. sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #148

No he didn't VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #56

+1000 dionysus Dec 2013 #146

Clarke is EXACTLY right. My respect for him has risen. nt DevonRex Dec 2013 #9

+100 nt okaawhatever Dec 2013 #10

Yep. politichew Dec 2013 #12

Clarke is full of shit noise Dec 2013 #13

There was a review and there will be reform. politichew Dec 2013 #15

Of course it matters how we got there noise Dec 2013 #16

How ridiculous. sibelian Dec 2013 #24

That statement was ridiculous. -eom gcomeau Dec 2013 #27

"How we got there should not matter" especially when you are rewriting history bobduca Dec 2013 #34

He is full of shit on this. I wish he had done what Snowden had the guts to do instead of sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #51

Clarke couldn't be more wrong and his acceptance to be on the panel convened BECAUSE of the sabrina 1 Dec 2013 #19

run... quick, that ball is on it's way... reach! fascisthunter Dec 2013 #61

LOL, so predictable! n-t Logical Dec 2013 #98

You've stooped to replying to posts 10 days old to be rude? Predictable as well. DevonRex Dec 2013 #117

From the ProSense Dec 2013 #20

Exactly, ProSense and thank you Cha Dec 2013 #25

"calling out the propaganda" bobduca Dec 2013 #35

Brecht had it right: Ken Burch Dec 2013 #21

No douchebag.. sendero Dec 2013 #23

Is this the same Richard Clarke who wrote this? Pholus Dec 2013 #28

It always astounds me... gcomeau Dec 2013 #31

The entire summer has been an attempt to say if Snowden is not Pholus Dec 2013 #32

Enjoy your imaginary argument... gcomeau Dec 2013 #47

That whooshing noise wasn't Starship Captain Alexander's expensive door.... Pholus Dec 2013 #54

Yeah that only works... gcomeau Dec 2013 #66

You calling the point invalid Pholus Dec 2013 #74

As pointed out elsewhere in the thread... gcomeau Dec 2013 #77

It's annoying when a fact is ignored, isn't it. Pholus Dec 2013 #92

Yes... it is. gcomeau Dec 2013 #96

50% relevant isn't bad for you. Pholus Dec 2013 #100

They were both relevent. Try reading more carefully. gcomeau Dec 2013 #102

Clarke flip-flopped. Pholus Dec 2013 #105

No. he. did. not. gcomeau Dec 2013 #110

Ahhh, the sound of little flip-flops in the night. Pholus Dec 2013 #118

And he still is concerned. gcomeau Dec 2013 #120

:) Wow, I see why the apologists use this style of argument. Pholus Dec 2013 #121

This! ^^^ brush Dec 2013 #67

he is right, Willy scheming daemons Dec 2013 #36

Same could be said for this guy ... dawg Dec 2013 #37

Eddie is not leading any armies treestar Dec 2013 #42

Comparing him to George Washington now? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #59

Washinton was much more of a traitor. dawg Dec 2013 #72

and sometimes a traitor is just a traitor... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #75

This time, it just needed to have the whistle blown, dawg Dec 2013 #78

You don't get to decide what constitutes committing acts against your government VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #79

Actually yes I do get to decide that. dawg Dec 2013 #80

actually is called "the law" I suggest you study up on it... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #84

And yet you would probably be angry if... dawg Dec 2013 #94

No I am not...I am displaying respect for the law of the land... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #101

You ever read the Constitution? bobclark86 Dec 2013 #39

It always amazes me how many people who throw around the word "treason" ... BlueCheese Dec 2013 #41

You noticed that too, huh? n/t bobclark86 Dec 2013 #43

I should emphasize that in this case I'm referring primarily to Clarke. BlueCheese Dec 2013 #46

On the other hand Reagan, George H.W. Bush & Junior Bush all seem to have committed acts that fit dflprincess Dec 2013 #52

Try sedition . . . brush Dec 2013 #69

Sedition is "Seditious Conspiracy" bobclark86 Dec 2013 #90

He hasn't been "charged" with either but it's actually a little bit of both brush Dec 2013 #113

There's not a "little bit of both" bobclark86 Dec 2013 #114

Are you aware he's not in custody? brush Dec 2013 #115

Arrested and charged aren't the same thing... bobclark86 Dec 2013 #116

The link said some charges were sealed . . . brush Dec 2013 #122

Yes, it does... Tikki Dec 2013 #49

Does Clarke really believe that there was a snowball's chance... BlueCheese Dec 2013 #40

Funny no one cared about it when Risen revealed it treestar Dec 2013 #44

Clarke is wrong on this PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #45

White washing has been perfected to the point that Lint Head Dec 2013 #53

Albert Einstein said: A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of the truth. mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #58

do 2 wrongs make a right? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #60

No. But maybe three will. Civics 101 says sometimes laws have to be broken to change things. Lint Head Dec 2013 #73

this is hardly "breaking a few laws" like speeding or smoking a joint my friend. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #76

Who are you quoting? I didn't say "breaking a few laws". Any law, no matter how extreme, can be Lint Head Dec 2013 #91

Yes it can...but we have methods to change them. Unlike a real "tyranny" VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #103

Is someone on DU banding about tyranny? Lint Head Dec 2013 #106

Yes they were.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #112

Clarke's right of course. gulliver Dec 2013 #81

Make You A Deal... WillyT Dec 2013 #82

Why don't we suspend all criminal prosecutions until Bush is tried? hack89 Dec 2013 #93

I think you believe you made a joke, bobduca Dec 2013 #136

Just agreeing with WillyT. Nt hack89 Dec 2013 #137

Got it thanks for clarification & edit bobduca Dec 2013 #139

LOL, another person scared by the NSA. Perfect. Gullible much? n-t Logical Dec 2013 #99

I agree! B Calm Dec 2013 #142

clarke confirms what i felt. and i have always respected and trusted clarke, so seabeyond Dec 2013 #119

Wow! What a mud-pit this turned into! JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #124

Who on earth thought Richard Clarke would side with Snowden? Rex Dec 2013 #127

Richard Clarke isn't a hero or even close. 99Forever Dec 2013 #147