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nomorenomore08

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110. Pre-op or post-op? Sorry to be so crude but that is important. I know some never get the surgery

Mon Dec 30, 2013, 08:16 PM

Dec 2013

and there's nothing wrong with that, but what it comes down to is I don't think I could be sexually interested in someone with a penis. I'm just not wired that way, so to speak - probably about as close to a 0 on the Kinsey Scale as anyone could be.

On the other hand, there are trans women who happen to be quite attractive - no matter what bigoted bullshit anybody spews - so I can't entirely preclude the possibility that I could wind up interested in, or even dating, one. If I'm being perfectly honest, and please don't judge me, the "man-made vagina" (I don't know of a more delicate way to put it) aspect would probably weird me out a bit, whereas the "used to be a dude" aspect probably wouldn't - I accept that a woman is a woman, "natural-born" or not.

I'm not attracted to Buck Angel either, for the record. I've just never found the male body sexually appealing.

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Is it ignorant/ transphobic for a straight man to not want to date transgender women? [View all] MrScorpio Dec 2013 OP

offs pipoman Dec 2013 #1

This thread has the potential to be very big LittleBlue Dec 2013 #2

You know, I never really had any kind of college education... MrScorpio Dec 2013 #5

believe it or not, Jerry Springer has covered this topic quite well over the past two decades snooper2 Dec 2013 #104

Somehow, I never considered Jerry as an educational authority on the subject. nt MrScorpio Dec 2013 #105

There's still the sensationalistic "Look at the freak!" aspect to it. But increasing visibility nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #109

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This message was self-deleted by its author JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #6

I don't think we necessarily choose who we are attracted to. JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #4

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haha That's love for you! JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #17

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Nice post J. :) TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #13

.. quinnox Dec 2013 #7

The articles answer is very good. A bit wordy, even for -my- tastes (which is... Shandris Dec 2013 #9

It's not that simple karynnj Dec 2013 #100

That's stupid. A man can date whoever he feels like dating Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #15

Yes... PCIntern Dec 2013 #18

That situation has never presented itself in my life, MineralMan Dec 2013 #16

I predict 300 replies easy! Grabbing popcorn. Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #19

I'm just hoping for respect and civility MrScorpio Dec 2013 #20

Which of us is more likely to get their 'wish'? nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #28

Too late. See post #15. nm rhett o rick Dec 2013 #112

I've got the butter and the beer! Initech Dec 2013 #36

The jury system will be busy too. L0oniX Dec 2013 #42

As someone else posted up thread who you end up attracted to is in some ways out of one's control Arcanetrance Dec 2013 #21

The heart wants what it wants Generic Brad Dec 2013 #22

being that it is just a date, how would one necessarily know that the person they are having a date notadmblnd Dec 2013 #24

Well, I guess, with some folks you can tell and others, not so sure MrScorpio Dec 2013 #25

Offensive. I'm trans and I guarantee you couldn't tell if you bumped into me at the grocery store. MillennialDem Dec 2013 #79

IMHO People can have their preferences about what kind of people they want to date Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2013 #26

We can debate transphobia, but there is a more central question... Eleanors38 Dec 2013 #27

This is it exactly. HappyMe Dec 2013 #32

not much i would think in the dating sense, we could not force someone to find someone hot loli phabay Dec 2013 #33

Orange is the New Black boston bean Dec 2013 #29

Not to derail, but I love that show too! nt xulamaude Dec 2013 #38

I was really impressed with that show. Really liked it. tammywammy Dec 2013 #85

Who knew that Boehner was Black. He could really use that to his advantage. madinmaryland Jan 2014 #117

wow. How poorly written and what bullshit. cali Dec 2013 #30

i would say no more than any other dealbreaker that people have on who they date loli phabay Dec 2013 #31

If the only reason he's not dating the woman is because she's trans cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #34

Hypothetically speaking LittleBlue Dec 2013 #44

I would think that cinnabonbon Dec 2013 #47

Given that many trans women still have male genitalia, kestrel91316 Dec 2013 #35

I don't understand the mentality that says... Shandris Dec 2013 #37

Presentation aside, a straight man is not going to be interested in a penis Heddi Dec 2013 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author cthulu2016 Dec 2013 #103

If she's a Republican, no. nt Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #39

Too funny. MillennialDem Dec 2013 #86

I don't think it is transphobic. Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #40

the IT Crowd addressed some of this in one of their shows ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2013 #41

That might have been my all time favorite episode Matariki Dec 2013 #51

wait a minute...wait a minute... ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2013 #68

Is it homophobic for a man to woolldog Dec 2013 #43

Come on, generally men only care about themselves AZ Progressive Dec 2013 #45

Generally, generalizations are offensive NoOneMan Dec 2013 #53

My objection to the idea of the straight male image is its all fabricated Arcanetrance Dec 2013 #67

Generally men only care about themselves? RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #107

Men and women should have the right to decide who they want to date, without accusation. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #48

And even if a "straight" guy was sexually attracted to a transgender woman or a gay male.... AZ Progressive Dec 2013 #56

It really none of anyone's business.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2013 #60

Oh good grief! HappyMe Dec 2013 #62

The whole idea that there is something likely wrong with a person who is not attracted to what Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #49

Right on NoOneMan Dec 2013 #54

Thread win. Drop the mic. Done. n/t X_Digger Dec 2013 #55

Yeah, I agree. HappyMe Dec 2013 #58

It's amazing-- the ease with which some people become the thing they claim to hate. Marr Dec 2013 #64

What about someone Shankapotomus Dec 2013 #66

Perhaps life would be less complicated if similarity of interest and ideals is what sparked sexual Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #93

That is quite true treestar Dec 2013 #69

Well said. Incitatus Dec 2013 #89

No AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #50

I hate the word 'cis' Matariki Dec 2013 #52

Me as well, and I essentially dismiss anyone who uses that and similar terms. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #102

I had a friend at work ask me about dating a transgender woman ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Matariki Dec 2013 #59

Every large city has a few gay/transgender bars where straight men go to hit on transgender women. Zorra Dec 2013 #61

Even if the answer was 100% yes, so what? The2ndWheel Dec 2013 #63

People don't control what they are sexually attracted to. Kurska Dec 2013 #65

I think the question is if you found yourself sexually attractive and then after found out boston bean Dec 2013 #70

its the same as many other deal breakers, regardless of what they are loli phabay Dec 2013 #71

so, immediately that would make then unattractive to you. Just you knowing... boston bean Dec 2013 #72

yes, as a casual thing it would be a deal breaker same as a myriad of other things that could come u loli phabay Dec 2013 #73

You keep saying it's a deal breaker, but why? boston bean Dec 2013 #74

simply put its not my thing, same as i never dated overweight people or many other groups. loli phabay Dec 2013 #75

I am not implying anything here... so please don't say that I am, ok.. when you read the below.. boston bean Dec 2013 #76

nope i wont read anything into it, simply put its just not my thing loli phabay Dec 2013 #78

Well I'm a gay guy, however. Kurska Dec 2013 #88

for me its looks first, i have certain types that i go for loli phabay Dec 2013 #90

Wouldn't that mean they had misrepresented themself?? That would be a hugh NONO madinmaryland Jan 2014 #118

If someone doesn't date a transgendered person Vattel Dec 2013 #77

what if a person wants to have kids someday Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #116

If they would also cancel a date with a woman who couldn't have kids, Vattel Jan 2014 #119

I'm guess also Mormon-phobic NoOneMan Dec 2013 #80

yup attraction is a wierd thing. loli phabay Dec 2013 #81

I know your title doesn't say so, but the article does. Why does this have to be about men only? MillennialDem Dec 2013 #82

Probably so, but personal attraction and choice BainsBane Dec 2013 #83

I cannot tell whether this is satire... redgreenandblue Dec 2013 #84

Of course not. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #87

If you personally don't want to date a trans-person that's your personal choice. icymist Dec 2013 #91

this, and well put loli phabay Dec 2013 #94

Well said! Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #120

That's the first time I heard of the word "transphobic" before. nt Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #92

Who has the right to tell another how to follow their heart? In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #95

Hay ITW I like your statement but I have to disagree in one small but crucial point... Locut0s Dec 2013 #96

My parents were so wrong about many things. In_The_Wind Dec 2013 #97

You are lucky to be as strong willed and spirited as you are... Locut0s Dec 2013 #99

Pencil?? deaniac21 Dec 2013 #114

A lot of women won't date short men. Isn't that discriminatory? mainer Dec 2013 #98

Dating should be an individualized decision. riqster Dec 2013 #101

I highly recommend this thought provoking film ~ "Soldier's Girl". Zorra Dec 2013 #106

Nobody gets to tell you whom you have to find attractive. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #108

Pre-op or post-op? Sorry to be so crude but that is important. I know some never get the surgery nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #110

Didn't the Kinks write a hit song about this a long time ago? Like 43 years ago? kwassa Dec 2013 #111

People can date who they want. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #113

Given how ignorant and narrow-minded most people are, I say yes. nt alp227 Dec 2013 #115