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50. He rejects science based on something Pope Ratzi said. He wants to keep corpses warm a little longer

Reply to Th1onein (Reply #49)

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 03:46 AM

Dec 2013

and is willing to let people who have a shot at a long healthy life die without a transplant.

That's stupid and evil.

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Doctor who testified to keep brain-dead teen on ventilator is a religious quack. [View all] RandySF Dec 2013 OP

Yes, he is, and just the type an exploitive lawyer-type would hire in a case like this. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #1

All other pros/cons notwithstanding, I hope family sues big time Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #3

It's not even clear that the procedure was necessary. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #4

It was elective surgery for sleep apnea (see rant below) nt. Barack_America Dec 2013 #10

It wasn't routine XemaSab Dec 2013 #7

It will all come out. This is malpractice. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #8

We have no idea what happened. tammywammy Dec 2013 #11

from what I have heard Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #26

That's what the parents say, but we don't know that for sure. tammywammy Dec 2013 #27

Sounds like she had an artery rupture after she awoke from surgery. SunSeeker Dec 2013 #39

I'm thinking she has a clotting disorder. FarPoint Dec 2013 #62

I wondered that too ninjanurse Dec 2013 #68

Not "routine". Not a "tonsillectomy" as has been reported. Barack_America Dec 2013 #12

I have a question. tammywammy Dec 2013 #16

There is poor compliance in the pediatric population. Barack_America Dec 2013 #19

Thanks. n/t tammywammy Dec 2013 #20

Very likely but she could have an undetected clotting disorder.... FarPoint Dec 2013 #63

That's what I suspected. kcr Dec 2013 #2

Read your title and was like, intheflow Dec 2013 #5

Brain death isn't death? awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #6

Brain death IS legal death in CA (*rant*) Barack_America Dec 2013 #9

Thanks, this is what I expected. An unnecessary surgical procedure. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #14

Physicians have largely given up fighting the obesity machine. Barack_America Dec 2013 #21

You know nothing about this girl's medical condition, so blaming her parents pnwmom Dec 2013 #22

Throat surgeries are much more difficult in obese people. Barack_America Dec 2013 #30

And it feels so good to fasten blame on the parents pnwmom Dec 2013 #57

Well Said ninjanurse Dec 2013 #69

She didn't need that crazy operation. The poor girl needed to lose weight. SunSeeker Dec 2013 #23

Even tall, thin people can have obstructive apnea. One of my relatives does. pnwmom Dec 2013 #24

Of course there's no guarantee, but geez, why not give weight loss a try? SunSeeker Dec 2013 #31

If she's not breathing at night, she might have needed treatment pnwmom Dec 2013 #56

But removal or trimming of the turbinate bones is the very last proceedure that should be used intaglio Dec 2013 #61

How is that not malpractice? NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #70

How would the parents know that? They obviously followed the advice of a respected doctor. pnwmom Dec 2013 #73

Please read, I laid the blame for this at the doors of the consultant intaglio Dec 2013 #75

And people who never smoke get emphysema. Barack_America Dec 2013 #71

I think you covered that well workinclasszero Dec 2013 #66

Yeah, the more they say they love Jebus Warpy Dec 2013 #13

DU Rec... SidDithers Dec 2013 #15

Someone they trust needs to have a heart to heart with the parents. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #17

Uh.....what exactly is it about his background and experience that makes him a quack? Th1onein Dec 2013 #18

The fact he doesn't accept settled law that brain dead = dead, for one. Barack_America Dec 2013 #25

So, now it's left up to the LAWYERS as to who is brain dead? Th1onein Dec 2013 #34

-1 ZRT2209 Dec 2013 #47

Well, considering coroners are government officials, yes. Barack_America Dec 2013 #67

+1 ZRT2209 Dec 2013 #46

He's entirely opposed to organ donation. PEOPLE WILL DIE because of his work. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #28

What's evil is making money off of organ donation. Th1onein Dec 2013 #35

No, he's entirely against organ donation. Read the link upthread. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #36

This doesn't really say that he is for or against it. Th1onein Dec 2013 #40

Go click around on more of those links. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #42

I've looked. They are against it. Th1onein Dec 2013 #43

You're the one arguing that the guy isn't a crank. The evidence is clear that he is. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #45

Nah. He's not a crank. Sorry, you're wrong. Th1onein Dec 2013 #49

He rejects science based on something Pope Ratzi said. He wants to keep corpses warm a little longer LeftyMom Dec 2013 #50

This guy has done extensive research on this topic. He doesn't reject science. Th1onein Dec 2013 #51

He's a neonatologist by training. He's acting far out of his speciality. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #52

There are a lot of doctors who happen to agree with him. Th1onein Dec 2013 #59

There's a lot of doctors who aren't neurologists who agree with him. jeff47 Dec 2013 #65

And, by the way, it's not good form to call your opponent in an argument a "moron." Th1onein Dec 2013 #41

You keep threatening people with your ignore list MattBaggins Dec 2013 #74

There's absolutely no substantiation that anyone is making money off organ donation! riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #76

How about this? RandySF Dec 2013 #32

So what? Th1onein Dec 2013 #37

My heart breaks for the family, but what's the point? Beacool Dec 2013 #29

It's sad to see people exploited by a right wing agenda kcr Dec 2013 #64

The family seems to have "brain death" mixed up with "coma" davidn3600 Dec 2013 #33

And from what I've been seeing on the news, Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #38

bet he loves guns, war and supports the death penalty though. ZRT2209 Dec 2013 #44

Paging Dr. Frist. Paging Dr. Santorum... jsr Dec 2013 #48

Was somebody really expecting that this quack would turn out to be Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #53

This is a very sad, tragic story. So please don't think I'm making light of it when I mention that Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #54

She has no blood flow to her brain Kurska Dec 2013 #55

if bran-death is not death - then why is cardiac-death considered death? Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #58

Religious fanatics believe that as long as the heart pumps, a person is alive. RandySF Dec 2013 #60

If this had been handled by the original doctors with a shred of respect, decency and care ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #72