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Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 09:50 PM Mar 2012

Offshoring and the myth of the "added value manufacturing industries". [View all]

I'm just going to cut to the chase.

Free traders think that we should abandon the production of cheap toys and gadgets - the plastic spoons, the USB memory sticks and even the iPads - and go for "higher value items".

What "higher value items" means today is irrelevant - because whatever is higher value today, is low value / commoditized tomorrow.

The relevant point here is that "higher value manufacturing" is not a big creator of jobs - not in a country with 300 million citizens (and growing). If you send out low end manufacturing jobs and attempt to cram all those people into high value work, you will always end up with the dark side of Comparative Advantage - a bunch of people freed up not to do "other" kinds of work, but rather, a bunch of unemployed people competing with others for lower-paying non-tradable jobs.

We need both higher-value jobs and lower-value jobs in order to keep people employed and keep America agile. The argument that a glut of factories producing plastic spoons and USB memory sticks keeps America from transitioning to building the newest high-value stuff, is an absolute fallacy.

In fact, spending a few years building iPads at an American factory would pay your college tuition to learn all the Six Sigma Black Belt skills and other things you'll need to work in the factory that builds that Next Big High Value Thing[tm].

Getting rid of low value manufacturing does nothing but make a country of 300 million Americans poor.

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I have been in a factory that makes flash memory devices Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2012 #1
Define "drain". I don't call jobs a drain on the economy Zalatix Mar 2012 #8
And how many people do you propose employing doing tasks already automated? Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2012 #13
Damned right I insist. And we, the anti-offshoring majority, will force that "economic paradigm". Zalatix Mar 2012 #14
So... are you going to carpet bomb Shenzhen? Hermosillo? Toulose? Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2012 #15
I see you continue to insist on an economic paradigm that discriminates against American workers. Zalatix Mar 2012 #16
And you insist on one that was contrived and unsustainable Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2012 #22
Hiring Americans to produce goods for America is NEVER unsustainable. Zalatix Mar 2012 #23
Please explain how imposing punitive tariffs on thousands of consumer goods won't be inflationary Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2012 #27
You didn't answer anything I said, at all. Zalatix Mar 2012 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Sen. Walter Sobchak Mar 2012 #29
A realignment of trade policy is coming pipoman Mar 2012 #19
If you want to shut up a free trade advocate FOREVER, discuss this realignment that's coming: Zalatix Mar 2012 #32
Look at Germany. BOD are required to have elected union workers on them. They have the highest Vincardog Mar 2012 #2
What's their population? A little over 1/4th of ours. Zalatix Mar 2012 #7
OK ProSense Mar 2012 #3
Nonsense pipoman Mar 2012 #4
Huh? ProSense Mar 2012 #5
Well pipoman Mar 2012 #6
Which is why we need tariffs. Zalatix Mar 2012 #10
Couldn't agree more pipoman Mar 2012 #17
Impossible? Only on paper. Zalatix Mar 2012 #21
I'm there with ya.. pipoman Mar 2012 #26
That's ProSense Mar 2012 #20
Raising or lowering the minimum wage won't really help being forced to compete with cheap labor. Selatius Mar 2012 #33
More bullshit from free trade shills. The bar sure has risen of who we should throw under the bus Populist_Prole Mar 2012 #9
Yes, I remember when building electronic devices WAS considered "high value added" manufacturing Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2012 #25
Myth is right KT2000 Mar 2012 #11
We ought to start outing these people. Zalatix Mar 2012 #12
We should start outing the politicians who back the trade agreements pipoman Mar 2012 #18
We kinda did that with Meg Whitman in California. Zalatix Mar 2012 #24
when free trade / free market goobers start talking, all I hear is 'blah, blah, blah....' KG Mar 2012 #30
They're getting louder as they're getting more despised by America Zalatix Mar 2012 #31
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