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jeff47

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65. There's a lot of doctors who aren't neurologists who agree with him.

Tue Dec 31, 2013, 11:24 AM

Dec 2013

You wouldn't trust a neurologist to diagnose and treat a problem in your pancreas. Likewise, you wouldn't trust a endocrinologist to diagnose and treat a problem in your brain.

You wouldn't trust a neurologist to monitor and treat any problems arising from a pregnancy. Likewise, you wouldn't trust an obstetrician to diagnose and treat a problem in your brain.

And so on.

Specialization means you don't know much beyond the general public outside your specialty. Your opinions outside your specialty should be treated with the same level of trust as the opinions of the general public, even though you have "Dr" in front of your name.

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Doctor who testified to keep brain-dead teen on ventilator is a religious quack. [View all] RandySF Dec 2013 OP

Yes, he is, and just the type an exploitive lawyer-type would hire in a case like this. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #1

All other pros/cons notwithstanding, I hope family sues big time Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #3

It's not even clear that the procedure was necessary. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #4

It was elective surgery for sleep apnea (see rant below) nt. Barack_America Dec 2013 #10

It wasn't routine XemaSab Dec 2013 #7

It will all come out. This is malpractice. Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #8

We have no idea what happened. tammywammy Dec 2013 #11

from what I have heard Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #26

That's what the parents say, but we don't know that for sure. tammywammy Dec 2013 #27

Sounds like she had an artery rupture after she awoke from surgery. SunSeeker Dec 2013 #39

I'm thinking she has a clotting disorder. FarPoint Dec 2013 #62

I wondered that too ninjanurse Dec 2013 #68

Not "routine". Not a "tonsillectomy" as has been reported. Barack_America Dec 2013 #12

I have a question. tammywammy Dec 2013 #16

There is poor compliance in the pediatric population. Barack_America Dec 2013 #19

Thanks. n/t tammywammy Dec 2013 #20

Very likely but she could have an undetected clotting disorder.... FarPoint Dec 2013 #63

That's what I suspected. kcr Dec 2013 #2

Read your title and was like, intheflow Dec 2013 #5

Brain death isn't death? awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #6

Brain death IS legal death in CA (*rant*) Barack_America Dec 2013 #9

Thanks, this is what I expected. An unnecessary surgical procedure. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #14

Physicians have largely given up fighting the obesity machine. Barack_America Dec 2013 #21

You know nothing about this girl's medical condition, so blaming her parents pnwmom Dec 2013 #22

Throat surgeries are much more difficult in obese people. Barack_America Dec 2013 #30

And it feels so good to fasten blame on the parents pnwmom Dec 2013 #57

Well Said ninjanurse Dec 2013 #69

She didn't need that crazy operation. The poor girl needed to lose weight. SunSeeker Dec 2013 #23

Even tall, thin people can have obstructive apnea. One of my relatives does. pnwmom Dec 2013 #24

Of course there's no guarantee, but geez, why not give weight loss a try? SunSeeker Dec 2013 #31

If she's not breathing at night, she might have needed treatment pnwmom Dec 2013 #56

But removal or trimming of the turbinate bones is the very last proceedure that should be used intaglio Dec 2013 #61

How is that not malpractice? NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #70

How would the parents know that? They obviously followed the advice of a respected doctor. pnwmom Dec 2013 #73

Please read, I laid the blame for this at the doors of the consultant intaglio Dec 2013 #75

And people who never smoke get emphysema. Barack_America Dec 2013 #71

I think you covered that well workinclasszero Dec 2013 #66

Yeah, the more they say they love Jebus Warpy Dec 2013 #13

DU Rec... SidDithers Dec 2013 #15

Someone they trust needs to have a heart to heart with the parents. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #17

Uh.....what exactly is it about his background and experience that makes him a quack? Th1onein Dec 2013 #18

The fact he doesn't accept settled law that brain dead = dead, for one. Barack_America Dec 2013 #25

So, now it's left up to the LAWYERS as to who is brain dead? Th1onein Dec 2013 #34

-1 ZRT2209 Dec 2013 #47

Well, considering coroners are government officials, yes. Barack_America Dec 2013 #67

+1 ZRT2209 Dec 2013 #46

He's entirely opposed to organ donation. PEOPLE WILL DIE because of his work. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #28

What's evil is making money off of organ donation. Th1onein Dec 2013 #35

No, he's entirely against organ donation. Read the link upthread. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #36

This doesn't really say that he is for or against it. Th1onein Dec 2013 #40

Go click around on more of those links. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #42

I've looked. They are against it. Th1onein Dec 2013 #43

You're the one arguing that the guy isn't a crank. The evidence is clear that he is. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #45

Nah. He's not a crank. Sorry, you're wrong. Th1onein Dec 2013 #49

He rejects science based on something Pope Ratzi said. He wants to keep corpses warm a little longer LeftyMom Dec 2013 #50

This guy has done extensive research on this topic. He doesn't reject science. Th1onein Dec 2013 #51

He's a neonatologist by training. He's acting far out of his speciality. LeftyMom Dec 2013 #52

There are a lot of doctors who happen to agree with him. Th1onein Dec 2013 #59

There's a lot of doctors who aren't neurologists who agree with him. jeff47 Dec 2013 #65

And, by the way, it's not good form to call your opponent in an argument a "moron." Th1onein Dec 2013 #41

You keep threatening people with your ignore list MattBaggins Dec 2013 #74

There's absolutely no substantiation that anyone is making money off organ donation! riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #76

How about this? RandySF Dec 2013 #32

So what? Th1onein Dec 2013 #37

My heart breaks for the family, but what's the point? Beacool Dec 2013 #29

It's sad to see people exploited by a right wing agenda kcr Dec 2013 #64

The family seems to have "brain death" mixed up with "coma" davidn3600 Dec 2013 #33

And from what I've been seeing on the news, Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #38

bet he loves guns, war and supports the death penalty though. ZRT2209 Dec 2013 #44

Paging Dr. Frist. Paging Dr. Santorum... jsr Dec 2013 #48

Was somebody really expecting that this quack would turn out to be Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #53

This is a very sad, tragic story. So please don't think I'm making light of it when I mention that Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #54

She has no blood flow to her brain Kurska Dec 2013 #55

if bran-death is not death - then why is cardiac-death considered death? Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #58

Religious fanatics believe that as long as the heart pumps, a person is alive. RandySF Dec 2013 #60

If this had been handled by the original doctors with a shred of respect, decency and care ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #72