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Th1onein

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114. Without us, there would be no data, and without us, no reason to collect the data.

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Tue Dec 31, 2013, 07:06 PM

Dec 2013

It is our data, in every sense.

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Glenn Greenwald: The NSA Can "Literally Watch Every Keystroke You Make" [View all] Coyotl Dec 2013 OP

Welcome to the 10,000th episode... gcomeau Dec 2013 #1

Hi, I thought you might like to read about a little quirky thing that some of us are considering. Savannahmann Dec 2013 #3

Let's put it this way and see if you catch on... gcomeau Dec 2013 #4

Not what they are able to do Savannahmann Dec 2013 #7

And are they doing this interception for just anyone who strikes their fancy? randome Dec 2013 #12

Well in the past, they've listed to their ex-lover's phone calls. DirkGently Dec 2013 #17

I wouldn't try to sell anything to you or anyone else. randome Dec 2013 #20

They would lose the dramatic effect if they answered those questions Lifelong Dem Dec 2013 #39

Hey, you were told that the sky is falling. Jester Messiah Dec 2013 #57

"People aren't buying." - Really ??? - Then Explain This: WillyT Dec 2013 #65

Changes will occur at the NSA. randome Dec 2013 #84

Did someone not read the OP? gcomeau Dec 2013 #13

SO, they're intercepting computers and installing malware in them so that they CAN do this? Th1onein Dec 2013 #60

Excuse me? gcomeau Dec 2013 #66

You don't even make sense. Th1onein Dec 2013 #89

So apparently you've never bought a computer. jeff47 Dec 2013 #18

Talk about hilarious writing Progressive dog Dec 2013 #26

+1 BenzoDia Dec 2013 #9

Once you have been tortured by the government, this stuff takes on added importance. Coyotl Dec 2013 #6

Hey, at least we know where they practiced.... Pholus Dec 2013 #55

Too bad they aren't surveilling actual bad guys. Pholus Dec 2013 #54

I've assumed that since the first day I connected to the Internet. nt onehandle Dec 2013 #2

Maybe for you...but most Americans whose first experience was KoKo Dec 2013 #45

Long before Win95 for me. onehandle Dec 2013 #69

But...Everything we say and our e-mail, phone conversations, locations KoKo Dec 2013 #90

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #107

Your assumption doesn't excuse or make any of this acceptable. TheKentuckian Dec 2013 #87

LOL, just like they record evey call made in the World snooper2 Dec 2013 #5

I invited the NSA to install a inner bowl toilet cam so they can see my opinion of them. L0oniX Dec 2013 #8

lol Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #37

Ah, you need to check out some sites jazzimov Dec 2013 #86

And, we the victims, get to pay for their fascism. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2013 #10

but it's time for austerity in all other aspects. Education cuts, infrastructure cuts, etc. Electric Monk Dec 2013 #35

Are they recording anything else we stroke? Scurrilous Dec 2013 #11

You win the thread! FSogol Dec 2013 #63

Does anyone have a list of people that have went to prison because of NSA monitoring? FactBasedLifeform Dec 2013 #14

They tell law enforcement to create a cover-up of the source of info. Coyotl Dec 2013 #16

Interesting. Was this in one of the documents Snowden leaked? nt FactBasedLifeform Dec 2013 #19

Listen to the video where your question is answered. Coyotl Dec 2013 #21

Jeeez... 99Forever Dec 2013 #67

Here you go...... Th1onein Dec 2013 #62

Sorry, that's classified information. What makes you think you have any right to see it? Zorra Dec 2013 #28

I'm doing research and want a list on DU sockpuppets. Know any? last1standing Dec 2013 #59

No, darlin', they use the SOD for that, and the evidence they use against us is "recreated." Th1onein Dec 2013 #61

That's certainly a frightening hypothesis. FactBasedLifeform Dec 2013 #78

It's not an hypothesis Th1onein Dec 2013 #88

Ever notice that Greenwald, et al, manage to just skip over the 'targeting' step jeff47 Dec 2013 #15

Go here and then re-evaluate ... MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #22

Oooo...One talk. jeff47 Dec 2013 #25

You couldn't possibly have had the time to watch this... MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #27

You're free to explain how the summary is completely wrong. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2013 #29

Oh, I get it... MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #30

Again, you are free to explain why the summary is wrong. jeff47 Dec 2013 #34

Yes� we wouldn't want to mess up that schedule MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #91

Yet you still can't explain what's so wrong about the summary. jeff47 Dec 2013 #93

"If the summary is so inadequate, surely you could explain�" WTF? MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #95

Dropping by and writing a comment takes about 2 minutes. jeff47 Dec 2013 #97

Welcome to my ignore list MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #100

can't refute their points... put them on ignore ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2013 #117

Hey, Einstein...Greenwald didn't release this information DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #31

So, you're such a genius you missed "et al"? (nt) jeff47 Dec 2013 #32

If you have something to say about der Spiegel, do so. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #36

So it's utterly inconceivable to you that both are doing the same thing jeff47 Dec 2013 #40

No, it's not inconceivable to me. What's inconceivable to me is the notion that you knew this was DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #41

I think I get by now the intent here of some come back commentary here... MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #92

"Greenwald, et al" is a convenient grouping. Not the source of what I'm saying. jeff47 Dec 2013 #96

Have you seen the FISA warrant to Verizon? Th1onein Dec 2013 #64

Yes. Have you seen the relevant 1979 SCOTUS decision? jeff47 Dec 2013 #94

Verizon didn't store the data "forever," or even for very long, until Congress passed a law Th1onein Dec 2013 #102

No, Verizon still doesn't store the data very long. No such law has been passed. jeff47 Dec 2013 #103

Without us, there would be no data. So...it's our data. Th1onein Dec 2013 #104

Again, there is an on-topic SCOTUS ruling. jeff47 Dec 2013 #105

"Doesn't matter how much you like that ruling. That ruling is how the government will act. " Th1onein Dec 2013 #106

You're welcome to time travel back to 1789 and change the basic structure of our government. jeff47 Dec 2013 #109

You really don't understand the term "inalienable," do you? Th1onein Dec 2013 #111

You really don't understand "does not apply", do you? jeff47 Dec 2013 #113

Without us, there would be no data, and without us, no reason to collect the data. Th1onein Dec 2013 #114

No. Not quite. They can read and monitor your email and phone calls though. Rex Dec 2013 #23

Neither of us knows whether the NSA is doing real-time monitoring DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #38

Oh sure, if they use PCAnywhere or Logmein etc.. Rex Dec 2013 #46

Live monitoring of anyone/everyone all the time? I agree they're not there yet. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #51

Happy New Year DCA. Rex Dec 2013 #52

We are already there. Fact is keystroke monitoring was in play long before SomethingFishy Dec 2013 #101

So can any hacker who puts his or her mind to it intaglio Dec 2013 #24

+1 n/t Lifelong Dem Dec 2013 #43

Any idiot with a gun can shoot you. Does that mean we shouldn't care if the government does it too? last1standing Dec 2013 #58

Thay have to be fucking kidding me. Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #33

For around 50 bucks everyone can purchase a keystroke monitor... Historic NY Dec 2013 #42

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Local flower shop, discount liquor, bulk anal lubricant and breath freshening dog biscuits. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2013 #70

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2013 #48

But can they literally watch every keystroke 7 billion people make all at the same time? baldguy Dec 2013 #49

Not yet, I would think it would take a quantum leap in processing power Rex Dec 2013 #53

Naw, you seem to be able to cheerlead/apologize/agree enough for all of us. Pholus Dec 2013 #56

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none of these revelations are really surprising stupidicus Dec 2013 #50

The gov has been able to tap phone lines for tens and tens of years goldent Dec 2013 #68

Here you go.. how this info is being used against Americans "Parallel Construction" bobduca Dec 2013 #81

It's only meta-data. It's is only a series of individual typed letters and numbers, GoneFishin Dec 2013 #71

I was just going to post this here. Beat me to it. 20score Dec 2013 #72

I saw a few defenders of the NSA/authoritarian mindset here. 20score Dec 2013 #73

Ignore helps with that stomach turning quisling-queasieness bobduca Dec 2013 #82

Well, there goes ANOTHER Talking Point for the Conservative Right Authoritarians at DU. bvar22 Dec 2013 #74

So, do you think Obama is more like Hitler, or more like Stalin? baldguy Dec 2013 #75

When you use mindless ad hominems and attack people with insultingly 20score Dec 2013 #76

I think you're replying to the wrong post. baldguy Dec 2013 #79

Laughably LAME , Dude. bvar22 Dec 2013 #77

FYI, your hero Greenwald thinks Obama is more like Hitler. JUST LIKE THE TEABAGGERS DO! baldguy Dec 2013 #80

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Paul Revere!... SidDithers Dec 2013 #115

Member since: Mon Dec 30, 2013, 10:13 PM baldguy Dec 2013 #116

Hey the turnaround on talking points is 24 hours... bobduca Dec 2013 #83

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something woo me with science Dec 2013 #98

well, of course! We've been doing that for years jazzimov Dec 2013 #85

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Corporate fascism. nt woo me with science Dec 2013 #99