Doctors saying brain dead; patients saying otherwise

[Th1onein]

134. I'm surprised you don't know of these cases.

Here's one for you, below the last link. But, besides that one, I'm surprised that you haven't done this work, yourself, without coming to me and demanding the information. If you had not made an assumption that I "cannot not find a single case here in the United States," you would not, now, look so foolish.

Okay, now, let's see, got to have another one in the US, because medical tests outside of the US don't work. Hmmm......how about the next link? You'll notice she's in Minnesota, and the site is ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=4290829

How about Colleen Burns? She's from Syracruse, NY. Good enough for ya?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-lindsey-fitzharris/dissected-alive_b_3570667.html

Oh nooees! It seems the doctors might have made a "mistake," in Coleen's case! Those don't count in your scenario, right?

And then there's the case of Steven Thorpe: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-17757112
Whoops! He's from England! Gosh, sorry, that doesn't count. Got to stick with the US patients who woke up after being declared brain dead. Them foreigners don't count, even when FOUR doctors declared him brain dead before he awoke.


http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/brain-dead/ Here's a snippet from this article:

It is often said of Paris Hilton that she is famous for being famous. Well, Zack Dunlap might have her beat – he is famous for not being dead.

In November 2007 Zack Dunlap was involved in a serious 4-wheel off-road biking accident, a roll-over resulting in severe head injury. He was flown to a nearby hospital where he was treated by trauma surgeons. His condition was critical. At 36 hours after his accident the doctors taking care of Zack feared that he might be brain dead. As Zack was a registered organ donor, they wanted to perform a confirmatory test so that if brain death were confirmed, the process of organ donation could begin.

A PET scan was performed at 36 hours. PET scanning (technically referred to as Technetium-99m hexamethylpropyleneamineoxime brain scan) is a measure of blood flow to the brain. Zack’s doctor, Leo Mercer, showed his parents the scan – his brain was entirely black. No blood flow. This was sufficient to meet criteria for brain death. The process of organ donation began.

Zack is from Oklahoma, by the way. As to your other statements:

You tell me that this person is still alive in your insane opinion, you are not a real person. Many have already ridiculed your stances, and believe me, many pro-lifers would agree with the doctors - she is dead, and there is no way to keep her alive. The soul is gone, there is no way back for Jahi's family. All they are doing is believing in woo, just like you. You love junk science. I hate junk science. You don't belong in this forum if you believe in woo. That's a Republican behavior.

Opinions, per se, are not insane, only sometimes the people delivering them. My opinions are based on good science, because I have taken the time to research these questions. You, very apparently, have not, since you insisted that there was not one case in the US where a person who had been declared brain dead had awoken. And, it does not matter to me how many, or who, "ridicules" my stances. If I am right; I am right. It's as simple as that. When I am proven wrong, I admit it. Until then, I wouldn't be much of a person if I didn't stand up for what I know to be true, no matter how much "ridicule" I receive.

As for loving "junk science," I love science, period. You can call anything you like "woo," and as far as I'm concerned, that term has been used too much, to discount differing opinions. It's quite shameful. I am a published scientist; how many articles have you published?

One last thing: You have SEVENTEEN posts and you've been here THREE days. I would suggest to you that now is not the time to tell someone who's been here for almost ten years and who has almost eight thousand posts, that they don't belong in this forum, OR that they are a Republican.