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NoOneMan

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49. "...if someone thought it was directed at the people of DU"

Wed Jan 1, 2014, 12:06 AM

Jan 2014

Part of the context behind that specific "fly-trap" thread are other threads (and yes, I have links) that contend some DUers promotes "rape-culture". Such a thing was simultaneously being debated by the poster of that thread at the very time it was created. There was a logical reason to assume that was aimed at DUers. There was a logical reason to assume it wasn't meant as a simple PSA (and the poster admitted to this as well, calling it a "Fly Trap&quot .

I think much of DU agrees on feminist issues and matters of equality. Its the trolling, defaming, bullying, etc, that we do not agree on.

I hope 2014 brings in a nice bit of change to this crap. I really honestly do. Maybe the bans will help promote civility and more thoughtfullness (myself included).

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Why is DU in a gender war anyway? [View all] davidn3600 Dec 2013 OP

There are cliques at DU who seem to crave drama 1000words Dec 2013 #1

Totally agree. nt demosincebirth Jan 2014 #59

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #69

It got this way in the lounge once... n/t leeroysphitz Jan 2014 #134

lol... "once". yeah, once. let's go with that. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #207

Front row seat. DeadEyeDyck Dec 2013 #2

Did you bring the bourbon? Fuck the popcorn...WHERE IS THE BOURBON??? nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #6

ppppfffftttttt. wheres the stoly. loli phabay Dec 2013 #8

Overpriced. Svedka. Run it through an almost blown brita filter and put it in a Grey Goose bottle. msanthrope Dec 2013 #11

lol, just like stoly, habit i suppose. loli phabay Dec 2013 #12

Hey...you can run the Svedka, and put in in the Stoli bottles! Das Vidanya! nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #13

lol nyet tovarich.. though there is a cheap vodka from the balkans i like, cant remember the name loli phabay Dec 2013 #17

Cheap vodka from the Balkans? You didn't notice what was being put into the gas tank???? nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #18

rofl, probably, still good stuff though round a camp fire when its cold. loli phabay Dec 2013 #20

Stoli? Svedka? Fuck that shit. Give me some American distilled Titos any day! Initech Dec 2013 #37

I like Snow Queen vodka Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #70

Five Wives LadyHawkAZ Jan 2014 #76

Knob Creek, please. 1000words Dec 2013 #14

You said "knob".... huh..... sorry.... msanthrope Dec 2013 #16

LOL 1000words Dec 2013 #19

I have been blessed....a client reserved a cask in my name. nt msanthrope Dec 2013 #23

dont like the drink but the cigars i like. loli phabay Dec 2013 #21

Sorry, I'm going with the Bacardi 151. Obliterate my memory of any gender war on du!! madinmaryland Jan 2014 #57

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #94

Who needs butter? I've got plenty!! Initech Dec 2013 #35

Embedded trolls are taking over DU. onehandle Dec 2013 #3

bwa-hahahaha. aikoaiko Dec 2013 #9

Yep. rrneck Dec 2013 #24

Um... cherokeeprogressive Dec 2013 #39

General "Buck" Turgidson: discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2014 #97

... beevul Jan 2014 #48

I do think that a group of ultra right wingers are here masquerading as liberals notadmblnd Jan 2014 #52

I think they can only go so far, then their stupidity surfaces and off they go. Banished! demosincebirth Jan 2014 #60

Gun control: Like corn sweetener, it creeps into everything. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #108

For some, conflict is a drug. Vinnie From Indy Dec 2013 #4

I couldn't have said it better demosincebirth Jan 2014 #61

I am not so sure that everyone posting here wants the things you list. Curmudgeoness Dec 2013 #5

Trash and ignore are your friends nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #7

You are so very right customerserviceguy Dec 2013 #33

Happens all the time here. DocMac Jan 2014 #63

below DocMac Jan 2014 #64

I see what you're doing. BKH70041 Dec 2013 #10

Oh, I see how devious this is NoOneMan Dec 2013 #15

Sorry, but NO ALWAYS MEANS NO MannyGoldstein Dec 2013 #22

You don't know me ... but I love you, Manny. 1000words Jan 2014 #82

OMG wish me luck but I'm going to answer this! gollygee Dec 2013 #25

Well said. nt redqueen Dec 2013 #26

wish I could rec this post. niyad Dec 2013 #27

Gonna have to disagree with you here... one_voice Dec 2013 #29

Aren't you referring to the "Fly Trap" thread? NoOneMan Dec 2013 #30

Let's look at that thread gollygee Dec 2013 #31

Yep, the self-admitted Fly Trap thread NoOneMan Dec 2013 #36

men are just supposed to say +1, or +1,000 or knr hfojvt Jan 2014 #67

But it is posted over and over that everyone in DU IS in agreement that Squinch Jan 2014 #96

^^^ Exactly. MH1 Jan 2014 #111

It's amazing, isn't it? Squinch Jan 2014 #115

"and is seen as a trap" NoOneMan Jan 2014 #119

I believe you were the first that I saw calling it a trap. The OP has nothing in it about traps. Squinch Jan 2014 #123

Huh? I am quoting the poster of that thread: "Fly trap my friend" NoOneMan Jan 2014 #128

Um, yes. That's what I said. Squinch Jan 2014 #130

Huh?? (I'm new here. To the so-called "gender war at DU" anyway) MH1 Jan 2014 #110

"1) what was it about the o.p. of that thread that suggests..." NoOneMan Jan 2014 #118

That trumad post looks to me to be a description of what the thread degenerated into, to a large Squinch Jan 2014 #124

He called his thread a Fly Trap. NoOneMan Jan 2014 #125

After it had clearly turned into one. After the flies swarmed. Squinch Jan 2014 #126

Have you ever heard the expression " like flies sufrommich Jan 2014 #138

Again, if trumad had said, "Rick Perry is a moron" Squinch Jan 2014 #143

Sorry. I think I misread your post! Squinch Jan 2014 #155

That thread was also shortly after pintobean Jan 2014 #153

Buzz, buzz, buzz... PassingFair Jan 2014 #205

At the time you posted your (THE) first response to that thread MH1 Jan 2014 #133

Actually, when I read that "flytrap" post, I took it to mean that a reply to the OP tblue37 Jan 2014 #187

Well thank you for completely ignoring... one_voice Dec 2013 #43

"...if someone thought it was directed at the people of DU" NoOneMan Jan 2014 #49

I didn't see the part of that thread about men as rape victims BainsBane Jan 2014 #50

The problem is downstream from the "original post" Renew Deal Dec 2013 #32

+1000 RC Dec 2013 #40

Really? Point to posts where anyone said BainsBane Dec 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Renew Deal Dec 2013 #47

The Litmus Tests? alphafemale Jan 2014 #87

Brilliantly said! Katashi_itto Jan 2014 #154

I don't think "whaaa! the poor menz!" is the fault of people posting mens perspectives either. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #142

+1. historylovr Jan 2014 #160

Beautiful! Amaril Jan 2014 #214

You still see those MRA-ish arguments treestar Dec 2013 #28

The outrage machine has become self aware. Initech Dec 2013 #34

oh we had better watch out lol Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #46

And better not cry! Initech Jan 2014 #51

I've seen a lot of dismissiveness and cluelessness.... bloom Dec 2013 #38

It is not a gender war. Women and especially feminists here are not at WAR with men. boston bean Dec 2013 #41

The question is why do some have such a problem with feminist points of view? BainsBane Dec 2013 #42

How quickly it's forgotten we were told to put on a burqa if we didn't want the leering, sexual boston bean Dec 2013 #44

this needs to be its own OP. and ya... more. nt seabeyond Jan 2014 #65

That's quite a comprehensive list. Good work. Ghost Dog Jan 2014 #84

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #78

Show me where I have created thread after thread attacking men? BainsBane Jan 2014 #85

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #88

So why is it that you don't take the threads about congress or bankers as a personal attack? BainsBane Jan 2014 #90

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #91

Hmmm JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #92

There is some baiting going on though. A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2014 #93

You seem to post that video at least once pintobean Jan 2014 #129

Gosh,you mean the feminists in HOF predicted sufrommich Jan 2014 #135

It deserved a much wider audience, and most DUers were very happy it was posted here. redqueen Jan 2014 #141

It does deserve a huge audience. I've now sufrommich Jan 2014 #144

Because men are intrinsically evil cthulu2016 Jan 2014 #53

LOL! Someone alerted on your post. last1standing Jan 2014 #72

You're asking the wrong question. beevul Jan 2014 #54

I dunno, seemed to be so predictable at the time as to be a near lock. I tend to find it difficult TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #156

As a male i have not once read anything from feminist that offended me or i disagreed with. Notafraidtoo Jan 2014 #55

your name fits. thank you notafraidtoo... that is a wonderful thing to hear. seabeyond Jan 2014 #62

you're my kind of guy, Notafraidtoo Skittles Jan 2014 #79

Good, and there is no reason you should BainsBane Jan 2014 #86

Let it go. trumad is taking a break from DU. nt madinmaryland Jan 2014 #56

Seem like most here on DU do not like to be contradicted and continue to argue their point right to demosincebirth Jan 2014 #58

There's a "gender war" on here because of OP's like this. Captain Stern Jan 2014 #66

No kidding. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #71

Once threads get to a considerable length they become a real pain to follow Fumesucker Jan 2014 #237

What if "they" gave a gender war and nobody came? MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #68

Long story short? Because it has zippitydoodah to do with rape, equal rights or feminism LadyHawkAZ Jan 2014 #73

well yeah, that too (nt) Captain Stern Jan 2014 #74

I do believe you have stated it quite well The Straight Story Jan 2014 #75

/end thread Egnever Jan 2014 #80

for me it has everything to do with the issues you mention. boston bean Jan 2014 #89

Good post. TransitJohn Jan 2014 #95

Nailed it, LadyHawk! +1000. polly7 Jan 2014 #100

Oh, there's certainly some misogynists here... LadyHawkAZ Jan 2014 #172

You could be right, I do miss a lot here and am often surprised. polly7 Jan 2014 #173

Hammer meets Nail seveneyes Jan 2014 #101

Someone alerted this 5-1 to allow it to stay..... Logical Jan 2014 #107

I expect a whine fest about this pintobean Jan 2014 #116

ffs, this is what its coming to NoOneMan Jan 2014 #120

Alerter need to be made public. Less stupid alerts. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #121

That's probably a good step. NoOneMan Jan 2014 #122

Yes. People need to own their alerts. That would put an end to these crap alerts. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #149

So true. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #151

I would love to see that. polly7 Jan 2014 #159

I just asked Skinner on the ask the admin forum. We will see. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #161

Especially in light of this sort of thing... Waiting For Everyman Jan 2014 #165

Woah I missed that hootinholler Jan 2014 #202

I know BainsBane Jan 2014 #236

Yeah, right. The ends justify the means and DU is the center of the universe. rrneck Jan 2014 #240

So you're allowed to have sockpuppets? bonzaga Jan 2014 #206

That's a surprise to me. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #231

If you have something to say to me BainsBane Jan 2014 #235

I don't take orders from you, BainsBane. Waiting For Everyman Jan 2014 #241

I am sorry that you feel unable BainsBane Jan 2014 #242

I don't care about your call outs, your criticisms, or what you like or approve of. Waiting For Everyman Jan 2014 #243

you can't tell who wrote that alert based on writing style? snooper2 Jan 2014 #198

someone alerted on it lo fucking l arely staircase Jan 2014 #158

Wow. I thought LadyHawke's post was good and am shocked to see it alerted on... Violet_Crumble Jan 2014 #170

LOL! Being a woman on the Internet, it sure is a dog's life. LadyHawkAZ Jan 2014 #171

Some people pretend to have people on ignore pintobean Jan 2014 #176

Funny you mention that hootinholler Jan 2014 #203

I thought it was a good post. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #232

Well said. 99Forever Jan 2014 #109

Um yes. Feminism is on my agenda and I have few scruples about pushing it. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #183

Classy, as always. 99Forever Jan 2014 #184

I do. I have great and wonderful friends. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #188

My life doesn't.. 99Forever Jan 2014 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Jan 2014 #112

Bingo. I'm glad a woman said it. /nt pintobean Jan 2014 #117

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #136

welcome to DU gopiscrap Jan 2014 #139

who were you? hrmjustin Jan 2014 #140

LOL! Squinch Jan 2014 #145

Wellmposts like these will attract former members. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #146

Like the family, coming home for the holidays! Squinch Jan 2014 #147

well they will be back. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #148

yep nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #157

Exactly. If discussion was wanted Waiting For Everyman Jan 2014 #162

Some people like to divide. JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #77

Can't we just shoot all the gun nuts? DontTreadOnMe Jan 2014 #81

It's so simple.....a child can explain it......... thelordofhell Jan 2014 #83

There is no gender war on DU. seaglass Jan 2014 #98

^^^ This right here ^^^ MadrasT Jan 2014 #102

+1000 Woohoo Seaglass, knocked it out of the park! nt boston bean Jan 2014 #104

+1 redqueen Jan 2014 #127

yes Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #131

I don't think this actually explains all of it. RainDog Jan 2014 #179

Whatever happened to just putting down the toilet seat? badtoworse Jan 2014 #99

Why won't women just leave the toilet seat UP? ConcernedCanuk Jan 2014 #103

Good question! badtoworse Jan 2014 #106

Well in that case... no1uno Jan 2014 #132

I have one good, commonsense answer to that. polly7 Jan 2014 #137

Why do you hate men? And women? Orrex Jan 2014 #163

LOL! nt. polly7 Jan 2014 #174

Because that would make it more difficult to... pintobean Jan 2014 #164

errrr ....... polly7 Jan 2014 #175

Happy New Year polly pintobean Jan 2014 #178

I would be happy if MIL would just flush the fucking thing snooper2 Jan 2014 #199

THAT would be gross ConcernedCanuk Jan 2014 #204

We are equal, man and woman madokie Jan 2014 #105

There is a war!?!?! Glassunion Jan 2014 #113

Insecurity. Iggo Jan 2014 #114

There is an incivility war. JVS Jan 2014 #150

Want to stop the gender war? Try listening rather than responding defensively. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #152

Exactly right. Thank you! (nt) Ino Jan 2014 #169

Boom! All done here! Squinch Jan 2014 #228

Oppressed minorities often point out inequities or institutionalized/enculturated behaviors Zorra Jan 2014 #166

+1 n/t JTFrog Jan 2014 #211

Because single women overwhelming voted for Obama in 2012 and the GOP applegrove Jan 2014 #167

Being dismissive of half the members is always a good way to start. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #168

I'm just watching the tennis game, back and forth, back and forth ... RKP5637 Jan 2014 #177

Uhm, there is a MRA Group on DU. Jamastiene Jan 2014 #180

I can't find the DU MRA Group pintobean Jan 2014 #181

Ooh... the're much too clever for that! lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #229

I never looked for the subforum. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #234

There isn't a gender war. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #182

Terms like "male privilege" and "rape culture" is what causes divisons davidn3600 Jan 2014 #185

Sorry, but privilege enjoyed by the male gender = male privilege NuclearDem Jan 2014 #186

It is what it is.. davidn3600 Jan 2014 #190

Neither of those terms are an attack on men. Dash87 Jan 2014 #191

Pretty much. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #193

Those terms mean whatever the person using them wants them to mean Major Nikon Jan 2014 #194

You do have a point about male privilege. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #195

nice post Locrian Jan 2014 #196

Illegal discrimination has to do with civil rights Major Nikon Jan 2014 #221

Yikes, I hadn't seen those statistics on prison rape. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #222

Agreed Major Nikon Jan 2014 #223

There isn't. It's just more pointless forum drama. The type nobody cares about. Dash87 Jan 2014 #189

I notice a lack of commitment to broad-based equality and populism in general from many Romulox Jan 2014 #197

No disagreement here. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #200

In fact, transwomen are also (by certain segments)... Shandris Jan 2014 #239

You hit the nail on the head davidn3600 Jan 2014 #210

Well, there are obvious advantages rrneck Jan 2014 #219

It isn't accidental LadyHawkAZ Jan 2014 #224

+1 Well said. nt rrneck Jan 2014 #225

I really appreciate this response. Well put. nt Romulox Jan 2014 #227

This post and the one above it are the two most insightful things I've read here this week. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #230

Divide and (try to) Conquer tridim Jan 2014 #201

MUST PROTECT OBAMA Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #208

Yes, I will defend the best president of my lifetime on this DEMOCRATIC forum. tridim Jan 2014 #213

Here's a term you're familiar with Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #215

So you think it's funny to trash our Democratic President on Democratic Underground. tridim Jan 2014 #217

That's what this thread is all about Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #220

Because Obama didn't have any goddamn thing to do with the subject! NuclearDem Jan 2014 #218

Not every subject here has to involve Obama. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #209

He begs to differ Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #216

I know this won't cover everything, but starting an argument with "Shut up and listen" hughee99 Jan 2014 #212

Boredom BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #226

Divide and conquer. Skidmore Jan 2014 #233

All we need is Love...da dee da dee dum. nt BootinUp Jan 2014 #238