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18. I'm not sure it's possible for him to alter the core foundations of misogyny, homophobia, etc, that

Wed Jan 1, 2014, 04:51 AM

Jan 2014

comprise that church's dogma.

Can he walk back the idea that homosexuality is a sin? 'do not judge' is nice and all, but they still waste no time and no opportunity to tell anyone and everyone that it's a sin. They cannot and will not stop spending votes and money trying to halt same sex marriage. That's top down, and he will not, and can not change it.
Can he endorse contraceptives? Abortion? Can he even go neutral on abortion, and stop spending money trying to influence elections and appointments, trying to get RvW overturned in the US?
Can he change church policy allowing women priestly ordination? Nope. He can't walk back what Pope JP2 said. That is canonical law. He can't change it.

Until everyone gives up on the RCC, it will forever remain at loggerheads with progressive social issues across the board.

He talks a good game, but he's well on the record about things like Same Sex Marriage, prior to his latest job opportunity.

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I Knew Pope Francis Was Good, But [View all] Egnever Jan 2014 OP

I like the guy. Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #1

Me too Egnever Jan 2014 #6

He really impresses me too FreakinDJ Jan 2014 #64

Didn't he wash the feet of a Muslim woman--and the wingnut crowd went wild? MADem Jan 2014 #2

Yup Egnever Jan 2014 #5

I went to a service at the Unity Church, (a very progressive church) and the ministers Maraya1969 Jan 2014 #17

I like that church. Squinch Jan 2014 #25

#17? Really? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #3

Teens do it all the time LiberalElite Jan 2014 #4

this is DU ZRT2209 Jan 2014 #13

Yeah. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #28

you have earned a full ignore. Happy New Year! ZRT2209 Jan 2014 #43

Life is easy when you ignore reality. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #44

Life is also easy when one can't see a bigger picture BuddhaGirl Jan 2014 #150

He did say that gays should feel free to receive Communion BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #80

Not good enough ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #127

Taking a selfie = progressivism? Really? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #45

taking a selfie - LiberalElite Jan 2014 #60

From the article itself: Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #69

I gotta give him credit... TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #78

A Pope-positive response to balance out the Pope-poopers NBachers Jan 2014 #7

lol.. +1 Cha Jan 2014 #12

Yes! Pirate Smile Jan 2014 #54

1,4,6,10,11,13,15,16,17 Morning Dew Jan 2014 #8

21 TlalocW Jan 2014 #9

OK, He's starting to get my attention a little I admit, defacto7 Jan 2014 #10

I just find it nice to have a guy in there for a change Egnever Jan 2014 #14

I agree. Squinch Jan 2014 #26

+1 n/t Chan790 Jan 2014 #41

+10 840high Jan 2014 #154

More of Francis' "charm offensive." blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #11

Meanwhile the entity he is leader of is continuing to sue to block the ACA for contraception coverag AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #15

Change happens one person at a time Egnever Jan 2014 #16

I'm not sure it's possible for him to alter the core foundations of misogyny, homophobia, etc, that AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #18

Well you keep on raging Egnever Jan 2014 #19

It's so sad to see people side with those who oppose our basic rights. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #42

Stupid vapid post Egnever Jan 2014 #51

You dismiss his anti minority bigotry in order to cheer. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #66

Sorry but no Egnever Jan 2014 #77

It's more than sad.. it seems desperate theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #160

1000 times better than the Nazi Pope B Calm Jan 2014 #20

Nazi Popes never work out well. Squinch Jan 2014 #27

Benedict wrote extensively about poverty, Francis has better PR folks, same rap. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #39

the reason why more 'support' this pope over the last Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2014 #100

Public Relations 1000words Jan 2014 #21

Most amazing to me is, he hasn't come down w/ a mysteriously BAD cold. eShirl Jan 2014 #22

Looks like he's also taking a stand against anti-gay craziness anti partisan Jan 2014 #23

Francis has not said a single word to oppose the law now passed in Uganda Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #40

A stand for more and more anti-gay craziness, you mean Laughing Mirror Jan 2014 #91

I can't really disagree with that. I do think organized religion should butt the hell out of these nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #159

#8 does it for me. Actions with no words at all. nt DebJ Jan 2014 #24

Me too JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #30

He is truly a mensch! meti57b Jan 2014 #29

"Pope Francis 'shocked' by gay adoption says Bishop of Malta" idwiyo Jan 2014 #31

"He is making all the right people very uncomfortable, this pope is." WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #32

Hope his behavior gives food for thought to the right wingers treestar Jan 2014 #33

And yet he believes homosexuality is a mental disorder, that adoption by gay couples NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #34

Hater. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #37

Perhaps Egnever Jan 2014 #55

He's not working on it. The policies won't be changing because he agrees with them. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #59

Yes it is all a sinister plot to divert attention Egnever Jan 2014 #75

Organizations facing intense legal and public image problems often seek to divert Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #116

If a positive PR campaign capable of suckering in progressives is a "sinister plot," then yes. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #134

Sadly the reason he is getting praise for it Egnever Jan 2014 #137

Oh really? eqfan592 Jan 2014 #140

Yes really! Egnever Jan 2014 #142

The Pope is a terrible person... MellowDem Jan 2014 #35

"Religious privilege" is right. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #38

What religious privilege? kwassa Jan 2014 #47

Good examples were given above Bradical79 Jan 2014 #48

Nope. I'm looking at the big picture. kwassa Jan 2014 #50

And his idea of what a good Christian is Bradical79 Jan 2014 #56

True Egnever Jan 2014 #58

Sure Bradical79 Jan 2014 #62

Pope Francis is a great progressive paragon, in the context of the Catholic Church. kwassa Jan 2014 #74

Even in that context he's not a progressive. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #138

He doesn't judge us because he believes we are mentally ill. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #63

Actually, you're completely ignoring the big picture. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #135

Religious leaders are given different criteria... MellowDem Jan 2014 #70

Different people have different criteria, right here on DU. kwassa Jan 2014 #72

The Bible... MellowDem Jan 2014 #87

The Bible is a complicated piece of work. kwassa Jan 2014 #111

It's not complicated, it's completely flawed... MellowDem Jan 2014 #117

It's all mythology though. Arugula Latte Jan 2014 #118

My God does not punish. 840high Jan 2014 #155

Then you don't worship the god of the Bible... nt MellowDem Jan 2014 #158

Ohh for fucks sake Egnever Jan 2014 #76

The intolerance isn't over by a long shot. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #88

Even his good positions are only held because he believes God commands it NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #106

How do you know what he believes? kwassa Jan 2014 #112

Yes. It's called Hell and is a doctrine of the Church. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #114

but what does Pope Francis believe? doctrine or not? kwassa Jan 2014 #119

Pope Francis believes in hell, unless you are claiming he rejects a central doctrine of the NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #121

What he believes in his heart and what he expresses might be different. kwassa Jan 2014 #125

If he doesn't believe in hell, then he is not a Catholic. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #126

Sorry, you don't get to decide it, try as you might. kwassa Jan 2014 #130

So he's a liar then... MellowDem Jan 2014 #143

yep amuse bouche Jan 2014 #109

Really? Beacool Jan 2014 #139

He thinks Hillary can never be a priest... MellowDem Jan 2014 #141

Recommended. mmonk Jan 2014 #36

Truly a good person. egduj Jan 2014 #46

Maybe, time will tell Bradical79 Jan 2014 #49

Of course not Egnever Jan 2014 #52

Didnt say everything should happen right away Bradical79 Jan 2014 #53

To all you pope haters. You act like he is an absolute leader that can change church doctrine Drew Richards Jan 2014 #57

No, he's just exactly like all the other anti gay, anti choice religious yeppers. Dime a dozen. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #67

True dat. Orrex Jan 2014 #68

And the things from his own mouth? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #73

There's a reason why Popes take a new name when they're elected BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #81

I'm a big believer in redemption, actually. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #86

My question to those opposed to the RCC position on homosexual activity, contraceptives, etc Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #85

I get it all the time from the right wing. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #89

Do you have any tolerance? Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #92

For misogyny, homophobia, anti-choice positions and the people that work day and night AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #93

Then you have given the answer, the answer is no, this issue is not going to change, Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #95

You're right. The RCC is not going to change. That's why I keep bringing these issues up whenever AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #96

I don't 'meet' people halfway on basic civil rights. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #97

You can have whatever opinion you want, I am entitled to my opinion. I do not practice TP Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #98

Because the RCC spends millions of dollars and directs votes toward lobbying efforts on these issues AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #99

I don't care how the RCC spends their money or don't spend their money. Can I agree on the Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #102

That is incredibly disingenuous. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #108

You are browbeating me, it will not work, I have my opinions and will not succumb to the Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #110

Correcting your attempts to misrepresent me, is browbeating you? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #113

It is not 'intolerance' to tell people who are hurting other people to STOP hurting other people AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #94

My position doesn't force them to accept my beliefs. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #101

Exactly, these are issues which will be decided through other means in the US, my opinion Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #103

Except his policies do great harm to the poor and ill. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #104

Would you rather he does not have compassion to the poor and ill. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #105

No, I'd rather he does. Because right now he does not. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #107

Why is it okay to like a guy who opposes homosexuality, access to contraceptives... Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #120

Some have gone further than just writing off the bigotry and ignoring it. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #122

Has this site gone completely nuts? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #123

Sometimes I think so. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #124

That's what I've been told before. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #128

Because 57% of Catholics identify as Democratic? A majority of Catholics voted for Obama? kwassa Jan 2014 #129

You totally ignored my comment. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #131

How do you know he is homophobic and misogynistic? kwassa Jan 2014 #132

How do I know? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #133

Catholics are Democrats. kwassa Jan 2014 #145

Hypothetical question: Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #146

You veer off-point. kwassa Jan 2014 #148

I ask those questions because that's what the Pope believes: Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #149

I am not sure if that is what he believes, or what he felt compelled to say by his position kwassa Jan 2014 #151

It doesn't matter. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #152

It matters to me, and millions of others. kwassa Jan 2014 #153

You knew LiberalElite Jan 2014 #61

Just like any other carnival barker, this huckster has lots to say, Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #65

He makes me proud to be a Catholic! PennsylvaniaMatt Jan 2014 #71

I bet Obama did way more. Jamastiene Jan 2014 #79

The Pope took away the legitimacy of every Catholic Tea Bagger BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #82

More power to him, then. Jamastiene Jan 2014 #84

a few steps on a long journey... madrchsod Jan 2014 #83

The PR of a misogynist institution is in overdrive! Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #90

The casual deception is sad. The Pope is the World's leader in opposing LGBT rights. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #115

I like him too. Beacool Jan 2014 #136

As a gay woman... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #157

It's a tough call for me. davidthegnome Jan 2014 #144

Pope Francis Drew 6.6 million to vatican in 2013, 3 times more than benedict Chrom Jan 2014 #147

Is this like the third time you've posted this? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #156

Those are all good things, for the most part. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #161