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Bradical79

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18. Depends

Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:17 AM

Jan 2014

On if you base your definition of what constitutes a police state on what you see on tv. It's all a matter of degrees and subtlety. It's not like we haven't had similar actions. Remember protesters being cuffed, kneeling on the ground in rows, and pepper sprayed in the eyes? Stop and frisk in NYC? The papers please policies enacted in some states to curb illegal immigration? Massive domestic spying operations? These are all features of a police state where rule of law does not apply to the authorities because they are trying to "protect us".

I admit, I have had an unarmed family member beaten to death by police officers and they were not thrown into jail. Merely transferred out of the department. So the burgeoning police state has affected my family on a personal level most have not experienced. And I'm a white male who hasn't had to deal with the type of profiling many of my fellow citizens have had to deal with.

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The REAL Police State = Russia [View all] BobUp Dec 2013 OP

LOL! OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #1

The Russians BobUp Jan 2014 #3

a communist country like russia? FatBuddy Jan 2014 #4

What makes you think they are communist? They are a multi-party representative democracy(nt) The Straight Story Jan 2014 #10

You dont know what a communist is Bradical79 Jan 2014 #17

If only they'd tear down that damn wall already... penultimate Jan 2014 #19

And that damned Stalin dude is NEVER gonna die! n/t A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #39

Did you fall into a coma and wake up 20 years later like that Polish dude? nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #47

Find some Russian court cases in which a person arrested treestar Jan 2014 #25

And how often are police punished for abuses here? davidn3600 Jan 2014 #35

Patently untrue. treestar Jan 2014 #40

Here in the US they are taking a technological approach. GOOGLE "Total Information awareness" Vincardog Dec 2013 #2

Google "stop and frisk." NuclearDem Jan 2014 #5

Stop and frisk all BobUp Jan 2014 #9

You know that the NYPD isn't in Boston don't you? Savannahmann Jan 2014 #16

Okay BobUp Jan 2014 #52

Okay, you're doing this on purpose... lol penultimate Jan 2014 #20

:-D Bradical79 Jan 2014 #23

Bob? Bob Boudalang? Is that you? Nevernose Jan 2014 #49

Bob BobUp Jan 2014 #50

that's the subject of a Supreme Court Decision! treestar Jan 2014 #24

Considering what Stop and Frisk as done to civil rights in this country... MrScorpio Jan 2014 #6

So if you saw something like that in the United States, would you say Police State here? Savannahmann Jan 2014 #7

No comparison IMHO. BobUp Jan 2014 #8

He won't make too many enemies, he will be like bush was here on taking away rights The Straight Story Jan 2014 #11

Oh, it's strictly limited to police response to bombings? Why didn't you say so? Savannahmann Jan 2014 #12

And BobUp Jan 2014 #54

They didn't find him. Savannahmann Jan 2014 #55

The BPD BobUp Jan 2014 #57

So now you've switched. Savannahmann Jan 2014 #66

Easy BobUp Jan 2014 #68

Wow. Savannahmann Jan 2014 #69

you don't think there is a problem? BobUp Jan 2014 #70

Click on my username Savannahmann Jan 2014 #71

Depends Bradical79 Jan 2014 #18

so Russia is our benchmark now? wow. piratefish08 Jan 2014 #13

Yeah, I don't think BobUp really thought the issue out before he posted Savannahmann Jan 2014 #15

Pursuit of the lesser evil has consequences. JVS Jan 2014 #29

No offense Bob. but I'm guessing your are a reasonably well-off white male? bemildred Jan 2014 #14

I think the point Bob is trying to make is opposite of Bob's literal point. penultimate Jan 2014 #21

I thought that possibly Bob is just clueless. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #26

+1 treestar Jan 2014 #22

If you say so... davidn3600 Jan 2014 #27

I didn't say perfect treestar Jan 2014 #30

Remedies in the Courts? Savannahmann Jan 2014 #36

So abandon the entire system? treestar Jan 2014 #38

straw man Vattel Jan 2014 #41

No, as the previous post does not explain treestar Jan 2014 #42

Did someone suggest dismantling the executive branch? Vattel Jan 2014 #45

The question is one of accountability, not of authority. Savannahmann Jan 2014 #46

I remember a time when the comparison of US and Russia was a blowout in our favor. JVS Jan 2014 #28

Easy to remember that. gulliver Jan 2014 #32

Nope. There was a time when phone tapping and reading mail would be considered the hallmark of a... JVS Jan 2014 #33

Did you miss the coverage of house to house no warrant searches in Boston? X_Digger Jan 2014 #31

The two aren't mutually exclusive. morningfog Jan 2014 #34

Do the words... 99Forever Jan 2014 #37

Extreme fail. Un-Rec. n/t ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #43

...pretty sure not srs RedCappedBandit Jan 2014 #44

This is satire, right? 1000words Jan 2014 #48

Are you serious? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #51

By "Unreasonable Search and Seizure", I assume you mean the 4th Amendment. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #53

The 4th. BobUp Jan 2014 #56

I'm certainly old enough to remember the Cold War, as you probably are. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #58

The 4th. and BobUp Jan 2014 #59

Russia is a viciously homophobic country trying to murder its gay citizens. DemocraticWing Jan 2014 #60

No country is perfect davidpdx Jan 2014 #63

My position BobUp Jan 2014 #67

well okay! The American government is less of an authoritarian state than Russia - and the purges Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #61

That happens to Afro and Hispanic Americans every day of the week malaise Jan 2014 #62

You're joking right? Glassunion Jan 2014 #64

we have elected our police state... madrchsod Jan 2014 #65