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20. The fascinating thing

Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:48 AM

Jan 2014

"ensuring private insurance company profits through federal law means we're on the path to single payer! "

...was how many people were reportedly crying about losing their crappy plans that did nothing but increase insurance company profit-making.

New Report Undermines Claims That Millions Will Lose Coverage Due To Obamacare
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/12/31/3109041/10000-lost-coverage-obamacare/

Single Payer movement in the era of Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024090281

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Michael Moore: ACA is both "awful" and "a godsend" [View all] eridani Jan 2014 OP

That sums up my feelings about the ACA very well. last1standing Jan 2014 #1

Exactly how I feel about it (n/t) gaspee Jan 2014 #2

ditto Skittles Jan 2014 #3

yep obxhead Jan 2014 #29

Count me as another one in complete agreement etherealtruth Jan 2014 #36

Agreed, a bad republican idea that is slightly better than nothing. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #39

It's much better for many but far worse for some who will pay more for less coverage. last1standing Jan 2014 #43

Exactly. Look at the money flows, somebody has to pay to support the insurance industry. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #44

I agree Octoberfurst Jan 2014 #64

it's a great plan if you are broke FatBuddy Jan 2014 #4

I've heard from lots of people here who've gotten subsidies on the exchange pnwmom Jan 2014 #5

That's what fatbuddy was saying pnwmom. "If you're broke"... loudsue Jan 2014 #10

our premium plus out of pocket questionseverything Jan 2014 #14

It's going to be up to us talking about it to make it happen. You know as well as I do loudsue Jan 2014 #15

I'm glad you're still supportive of the program then, despite all its flaws. pnwmom Jan 2014 #32

My premium exceeds my income Coyote_Bandit Jan 2014 #54

Thats terrible. But it's your state's fault, not the ACA's. pnwmom Jan 2014 #56

Medicaid expansion by the states was not mandated by the ACA Coyote_Bandit Jan 2014 #60

The states had to file a lawsuit in order to turn down the Medicaid money. pnwmom Jan 2014 #61

And I m still a second class throw away Coyote_Bandit Jan 2014 #62

Depends on whether your state has expanded Medicare. joshcryer Jan 2014 #9

Can you please put a dollar amount on that? Motown_Johnny Jan 2014 #21

Those are the premiums. It says nothing about the deductible. former9thward Jan 2014 #41

What age brackets does that graph cover? last1standing Jan 2014 #52

If you are broke and jobless, dotymed Jan 2014 #22

They've already announced they won't be fining people in that situation pnwmom Jan 2014 #33

The people that are broke while employed, people that are toward the right of that Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #40

If you're broke and jobless in Tennessee, cheapdate Jan 2014 #47

I hope you are right. dotymed Jan 2014 #66

I don't know. cheapdate Jan 2014 #67

You'd think Michael Moore would know the difference between pnwmom Jan 2014 #6

It has also come to light that, at least until 2015, the cap on out of pocket expenses only applies dflprincess Jan 2014 #48

Yes, that's one of the flaws. A couple of the states have laws that mandate pnwmom Jan 2014 #49

Flaw? It's dishonest dflprincess Jan 2014 #57

I don't think it was dishonest on the part of the legislators. pnwmom Jan 2014 #58

Oh please when could the insurance companies ever be trusted? dflprincess Jan 2014 #59

Perfection is the enemy of progress. Scuba Jan 2014 #7

ACA is a shitty 10-15 year workaround. joshcryer Jan 2014 #8

I totally agree joshcryer. And I'm no longer a fan of Obama...however.... loudsue Jan 2014 #11

It won't last that long shaayecanaan Jan 2014 #13

Obviously, Moore is both a poopyhead and a genius. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #12

Bwahahaha! valerief Jan 2014 #16

yeah. coz the obvious solution to the problems posed by the private HC insurance system was KG Jan 2014 #17

but can't you see?!?!?!!!! FatBuddy Jan 2014 #18

the real path to single payer lies through the failure of the ACA, not its success. KG Jan 2014 #19

Yep. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #24

I've said it before, it may also come through pressure from the business community riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #38

The fascinating thing ProSense Jan 2014 #20

power given or power taken FatBuddy Jan 2014 #25

No ProSense Jan 2014 #27

Insurance companies were too powerful, so lets make them more powerful. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #23

The ACA certainly has not made Insurance companies more powerful Schema Thing Jan 2014 #31

yep mm nails it as usual dembotoz Jan 2014 #26

Didn't VT set up single payer using funds from the ACA? Benton D Struckcheon Jan 2014 #28

Not yet Bradical79 Jan 2014 #34

Already-Well-Insured Multi-Millionaire Michael Moore writes from a certain perspective. stopbush Jan 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Jan 2014 #46

It's so nice that we can have a corporate government health care system. L0oniX Jan 2014 #35

I wish everybody had and would listen to this man bonzaga Jan 2014 #37

K&R! nt Poll_Blind Jan 2014 #42

We cannot have universal quality health care while stuffing a gorged MIC, a indepat Jan 2014 #45

That couple paying $11,800 in annual premiums snot Jan 2014 #50

not really soryang Jan 2014 #65

Um, I'm just saying, snot Jan 2014 #69

So, is everyone besieging his or her state legislators for state medicare for all? merrily Jan 2014 #51

A much more accurate headline than the other thread on this same topic. nt MADem Jan 2014 #53

Agree ... nt Raine Jan 2014 #55

As Nancy Pelossi says... Stellar Jan 2014 #63

Newsmax Left Out "Godsend" otohara Jan 2014 #68

we can always hope that the plan is iamthebandfanman Jan 2014 #70