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freshwest

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9. I personally don't know any Christians who don't support abortion and birth control.
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:01 AM
Mar 2012

They use it and expect it will always be available. So it's a lot to go up the religious aspect, although I agree with the 'not a Christian country' theme, and they grew up in a secular society and don't want to be confined by the rules of any church, period. If we stand and scream about religion, we will get forced into a narrow box and not get anything done.

I agree, something needs to be done and done quickly. As much as I love Occupy, they have not addressed this issue as far as I can see. The old time Democrats have seen abortion and contraception as a litmus issue in appointing judges and in all the legislation and riders in many states and at the federal level.

But they are overwhelmed by the generation the RW bred to enforce their views. These are not just old men doing this, it is the young men who want to have this control over their partners.

At this time, they are playing both sides of the fences and figure they can eat their cake (sex on demand from their partners) and eat it too (have their partner deal with breaking these laws or suffering the humiliation of being raped by the state for failing to stay childless).

This has always been the case in many respects. It's been considered to a woman's problem, and part of that is due to the differences in the ability to reproduce. The woman has a certain number of years that she can bear; the man has no limit.

Many men refuse to get vasectomies, thinking, well, if this marriage, girlfriend, significant other, friend with benefits doesn't work out, I can still find the woman I deserve and have kids later.

I wonder how many men will choose celibacy, absolute celibacy or a vasectomy to escape these laws if this trend continues.

I recall generally, in one of Shakespeare's plays, a young man was sentenced to death for getting a woman with child outside wedlock. Her fate was to have the child, be banished to a work house, nunnery or something similar, and her bastard child be given to an orphanage and end up indentured or in a work house as well.

This may sound extreme, but it's happened before and I think the GOP would love that.

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GOP Doubling Down [View all] TheMastersNemesis Mar 2012 OP
What I'd like to see is more men standing up for women's rights. After all, they are not only... freshwest Mar 2012 #1
That's an excellent point Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #4
Thanks for expressing it that way, I was coming back to my reply to edit if for that. freshwest Mar 2012 #6
Excellent points again... Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #10
Cheap labor, even slave labor, is the end result of unregulated capitalism. freshwest Mar 2012 #11
Yup. "Cheap Labor Conservatives" Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #15
Umm, nice website. freshwest Mar 2012 #17
They are Planning to Steal the Election, so It Won't Matter What the Rest of us Think AndyTiedye Mar 2012 #2
and they're not even holding a pair longship Mar 2012 #3
I personally don't know any Christians who don't support abortion and birth control. freshwest Mar 2012 #9
Thoughtful response longship Mar 2012 #12
Thanks, but this is more than a matter of history. We don't need to go back to that. freshwest Mar 2012 #13
Pardon me! longship Mar 2012 #16
Yes, you are excused! LOL! freshwest Mar 2012 #19
Thank you, your eminence. longship Mar 2012 #20
Good night, sweet prince. Or princess, as the case may be. freshwest Mar 2012 #21
I read a story where a woman in Morocco, I believe, committed suicide rustydog Mar 2012 #5
They've been pushing this here for years... Under their right to life movement. freshwest Mar 2012 #7
"Religion is regarded ......................by the rulers as useful". Seneca ErikJ Mar 2012 #8
Every time I think I've heard it all lately in regards liberalhistorian Mar 2012 #14
Oh, that one's been out there for years. That's why some of the evangelical churches have classes to freshwest Mar 2012 #18
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