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150. It is your math skills, I am sure.

Reply to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 1, 2014, 06:18 PM

Jan 2014

Third Way Manny is always right.

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Ugh, I just read ANOTHER post calling for single payer [View all] MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 OP

I trust you forgot the sarcasm thingy. niyad Jan 2014 #1

I propose creation of the :Manny: tag Kennah Jan 2014 #166

What ya think? DeSwiss Jan 2014 #200

Dear Gaia, THAT is scary. We're all mice, Manny is the cat, and he's toying with us! Kennah Jan 2014 #218

You do realize it's already happening? Benton D Struckcheon Jan 2014 #2

They'll need President Hillary to approve it in 2017 MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #3

Love that tongue in your cheek, MannyGoldstein... MrMickeysMom Jan 2014 #19

The solutions are not that difficult to do tblue Jan 2014 #128

Pfft. Benton D Struckcheon Jan 2014 #37

Manny, I hate to disagree with you but Hillary supports Mandated Insurance/Romney Care. The kind sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #189

Yes. That was one of the things that distinguished them from each other during the primary. merrily Jan 2014 #196

Hillary may have her faults blue14u Jan 2014 #202

Vermont was already planning it Doctor_J Jan 2014 #44

A few years. Benton D Struckcheon Jan 2014 #69

When it first rolled out the 3rd way Dems were happily predicting "a couple generations" Doctor_J Jan 2014 #88

It is still three years before the first waiver can be sought, I think you are being optimistic TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #129

So, five years after that. Benton D Struckcheon Jan 2014 #145

Your lips to God's ears but I suspect you greatly underestimate the forces of entropy and TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #176

Talking dollars and cents only. No pie in the sky needed. Benton D Struckcheon Jan 2014 #177

That is an excellent point. truedelphi Jan 2014 #203

Manny is like arguing against medical marijuana because it's not ending the war on drugs. joshcryer Jan 2014 #126

And here in Washington Kennah Jan 2014 #167

In Canada Manitoba under NDP gov't (explicitly to the left of the Liberals) delrem Jan 2014 #155

i'll give this two thirds of a rec. nt xchrom Jan 2014 #4

nice reply :) DontTreadOnMe Jan 2014 #64

LOVE manny. nt xchrom Jan 2014 #85

Me too. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #91

Very sensible of you, Manny. Laelth Jan 2014 #5

Yes, maybe if she'd had the gavel when ObamaRomneyHeritageFoundationCare passed MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #6

The good thing about the future... reACTIONary Jan 2014 #102

The House wasn't the problem then jeff47 Jan 2014 #186

How many votes did ObamaCare get in the Senate. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #193

There were actually multiple bills jeff47 Jan 2014 #210

Lieberman's vote was needed for cloture, not for passage. merrily Jan 2014 #198

It matters when the D's weren't willing to neuter the filibuster. jeff47 Jan 2014 #211

It would be just about like it was the first time she had the gavel Doctor_J Jan 2014 #52

The first time she held the gavel, she first bottled up health care reform in committees, Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #93

Because there's only one body in Congress jeff47 Jan 2014 #187

Um, before the handle of the gavel was even warm in her hand she took impeachment Doctor_J Jan 2014 #214

Nice subject change. jeff47 Jan 2014 #215

Really? The post to which I responded said that things will be different if Pelosi Doctor_J Jan 2014 #216

And it can't be just a majority of 99% postulater Jan 2014 #7

Hey look, a 2013 model outrage widget. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #8

Vermont...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #9

Stupid hippies. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #11

Wrong. The HHS grants said waivers. joshcryer Jan 2014 #130

Sorry, thanks for the catch MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #131

Guess what Sid. 99Forever Jan 2014 #13

say what???? handmade34 Jan 2014 #21

Yeah... 99Forever Jan 2014 #24

Rise up Vermont. Canada is coming for you. L0oniX Jan 2014 #56

*word* 99Forever Jan 2014 #58

Would you say the same about Colorado and marijuana? joshcryer Jan 2014 #127

Vermont only did that because they don't understand... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #45

and soon...all the OTHER states with socialist senators will follow Doctor_J Jan 2014 #55

Exactly. Vermont is YEARS AHEAD of EVERY other state. n/t Dawgs Jan 2014 #75

Crafty Bastards! Damn you, Peter Shumlin! We won't forget this! Kennah Jan 2014 #169

We need to call it medicare for all and not single payer. iandhr Jan 2014 #10

"Don't make my Medicare into a big government program!" CTyankee Jan 2014 #26

A tea party rally I think. iandhr Jan 2014 #28

"Keep the government out of my Medicare" SharonAnn Jan 2014 #41

Keep the government out of my Medicare FOR ALL! Kennah Jan 2014 #170

Thom Hartmann uses the phrase "Medicare Part E--FOR EVERYONE!" Kennah Jan 2014 #171

Yes we do need to call blue14u Jan 2014 #201

I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #12

Good point! MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #14

Good Point! 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #18

Sanders: Single Payer Never Had A Chance ProSense Jan 2014 #29

It never had a chance with our current party leadership... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #47

Let me ProSense Jan 2014 #62

Reid's "We never had that" is deceptive. We DID have 60 in the Senate... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #77

Reid? The quote is from Senator Sanders. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #78

Which changes nothing I said... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #79

Why did you say Reid? There ProSense Jan 2014 #80

If they don't owe me anything, they do not deserve my vote... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #107

You ProSense Jan 2014 #114

I support Liberal Principles. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #119

Like expanding Medicaid? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #123

Yes, though not at the price of CORPORATIST Insurance Mandates. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #136

Hey, sometimes you don't get everything you want. ProSense Jan 2014 #137

Nope, though if I were an insurance or banking or oil exec I damn sure would. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #141

Nope ProSense Jan 2014 #142

Some here dont want to give you a straight answer because they would rhett o rick Jan 2014 #133

And more, that they embrace these folks.... Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #139

+ a billion. Nailed hard. solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #83

Did they even try? They did not. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #94

Neither did Blanche Lincoln - the White House's choice for the 2010 AR senate race Doctor_J Jan 2014 #115

They see, they just don't want to see. nt Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #140

Perception is like filter. We filter things based on our preconceptions Enthusiast Jan 2014 #182

Just confirming: Your goal is Medicare for All? grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #204

Having a sufficient majority to pass legislation Ms. Toad Jan 2014 #53

Good point! Progressive dog Jan 2014 #165

Seriously? You're gonna pretend Lieberman would have voted for single-payer? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #188

We. Didn't. Need. His. Vote. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #191

Bingo! ctsnowman Jan 2014 #206

Yes, we did. jeff47 Jan 2014 #209

You realize that is not the goal of DU, don't you? WowSeriously Jan 2014 #184

Of course we need to move that direction... SHRED Jan 2014 #15

Kick the bums out ProSense Jan 2014 #16

Uh, Manny...two thirds is more than a majority Demeter Jan 2014 #17

The 2/3s may be a majority ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #89

The top 10%...of which our "representatives" are members Doctor_J Jan 2014 #92

That's a "math trick", isn't it? MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #132

I always say, "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the corrupt complicated and inadequate." Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #20

Love your post. You give good snark! Divernan Jan 2014 #60

lol Love it. ctsnowman Jan 2014 #207

Damn that democracy.... paleotn Jan 2014 #22

We'll get there madokie Jan 2014 #23

Well, when you have asshole republicons running and getting elected with Ds behind their names kath Jan 2014 #31

Exactly. treestar Jan 2014 #35

Not happening, because . . . HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #25

Wow, two thirds? That has NO CHANCE of passing. And I know math! n-t Logical Jan 2014 #27

Don't worry. Hope and Change are on the way! Fuddnik Jan 2014 #30

uhm. either something is wrong with your post or, my math skills suck. Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #32

It is your math skills, I am sure. Curmudgeoness Jan 2014 #150

If they want it they have to vote for Congresspeople who will vote for it treestar Jan 2014 #33

I seem to remember lots and lots of people voting for it in 2008 Doctor_J Jan 2014 #51

Newsflash the world was not going to stop in 2008 treestar Jan 2014 #76

it didn't stop, but it did collapse. Pretending that the President came into Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #99

They did win treestar Jan 2014 #106

Really? Perhaps you would name one of these "better mandates"? Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #125

FDR and LBJ treestar Jan 2014 #138

Read it again. I wrote in 30 years. And reagan didn't get the legislature either, yet somehow Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #148

They were promised a Medicare-like option for HC Doctor_J Jan 2014 #111

Superb post. woo me with science Jan 2014 #135

You are promised nothing but support for those things treestar Jan 2014 #143

It's discouraging. I think the 3rd way dems and fan club actually can't see how this Doctor_J Jan 2014 #154

And from where are these candidates coming from? The Party isn't going to let just any old Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #98

We are the party treestar Jan 2014 #103

LOL! Yeah, right. You give it a try, those of us that have seen the beast from inside Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #121

If you're that convinced that is how it is and how it always will be treestar Jan 2014 #144

So, you're not going to. What a shock... Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #151

Not going to what? treestar Jan 2014 #153

I have always trusted you Third Way Manny. zeemike Jan 2014 #34

Medicare - 28% of beneficiaries choose private health Advantage plans; drugs are private insurance Hoyt Jan 2014 #36

I've had Mom on an "Advantage" plan for years. SoapBox Jan 2014 #40

I will probably choose one in a few years too. Hoyt Jan 2014 #42

The basing was because they received 15% more from the government than Medicare did. SharonAnn Jan 2014 #43

That's not exactly correct. Advantage Plans develop networks, coordinate care, provide out-of-pocket Hoyt Jan 2014 #71

Two thirds is a majority. iemitsu Jan 2014 #38

You may be on to something demwing Jan 2014 #163

Medicare has an overhead of about 1.5%. Most HMOs have overheads ranging from 15-20%... truth2power Jan 2014 #39

We have to support those HMO and insurance company executive's mansions mdbl Jan 2014 #46

But HeritageCare caps their profits at 20%!!!!! That's hugh!!!! Doctor_J Jan 2014 #48

wow. new year arely staircase Jan 2014 #49

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #50

if ACA is the president's "legacy" FatBuddy Jan 2014 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #61

bullshit FatBuddy Jan 2014 #63

No, ProSense Jan 2014 #68

there are approximately 313.9 million people in the US FatBuddy Jan 2014 #70

What? ProSense Jan 2014 #73

propaganda FatBuddy Jan 2014 #81

Reality ProSense Jan 2014 #82

glug glug glug FatBuddy Jan 2014 #84

More: ProSense Jan 2014 #87

YAY! insurance lobby! FatBuddy Jan 2014 #101

Yay: ProSense Jan 2014 #104

are you a real person FatBuddy Jan 2014 #105

Guess what: ProSense Jan 2014 #108

algorithm it is then FatBuddy Jan 2014 #109

LOL! ProSense Jan 2014 #112

no projection FatBuddy Jan 2014 #113

Don't be so hard on yourself. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #116

i'm not FatBuddy Jan 2014 #117

But there is this: ProSense Jan 2014 #122

Hey Pro. bvar22 Jan 2014 #156

Which makes one wonder why Teapublicans hate it so much. marble falls Jan 2014 #181

The public rates Congress as barely above the cockroach in popularity (9%). Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #120

By majority of Americans, you mean a majority of the richest .01% of Americans, I'm sure. nt valerief Jan 2014 #54

Really, be happy! The Heritage Foundation gave us a great plan... polichick Jan 2014 #59

YAY! lobbyists and investor class! FatBuddy Jan 2014 #65

Yep - and those insightful, caring folks at the Heritage Foundation... polichick Jan 2014 #66

yes, FatBuddy Jan 2014 #67

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #158

They should - they hatched it... polichick Jan 2014 #162

Thank you Manny, for past and future posts. Happy New Year! Divernan Jan 2014 #72

And back at you. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #149

Max Baucus and Karen Ignagni Love Third Way Manny!! solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #74

Karen Ignagni estimates the size of one of her balls. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #97

Welcome to DU. bvar22 Jan 2014 #100

That gives credence to my theory that Obama just wants cover to enact a far right agenda Doctor_J Jan 2014 #124

Thanks! solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #147

God I miss him ctsnowman Jan 2014 #208

And there you have it Doctor_J Jan 2014 #118

She did a good job too. bvar22 Jan 2014 #160

Well 2/3rds may want it, but only 1/3 wants to pay for it ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2014 #86

Only 1/3 want to save money. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #164

Single payer is a far left communist concept. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #90

Damn those commie Nazis! Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #95

ACA all the way! it's the best we could expect! or could hope for! or do! KG Jan 2014 #96

US Americans should be delighted to settle for Far LESS.. bvar22 Jan 2014 #157

Was trying to explain single payer Karma13612 Jan 2014 #110

Welcome to DU, Karma! pacalo Jan 2014 #161

People are gonna get jealous of everyone who got free or cheap insurance with them Obamacare gubmint Zorra Jan 2014 #134

Pisses me off H2O Man Jan 2014 #146

As Michael Parenti puts it, in America, human rights are important until they infringe on Doctor_J Jan 2014 #152

I love this OP! pacalo Jan 2014 #159

Just read Micahel Moore's op-ed in the NYT. joshcryer Jan 2014 #168

You are a very, very savvy player of our game MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #172

What's disingenuous is ACA supporters said that all along. joshcryer Jan 2014 #175

Thoroughly disgusting post! You've converted to Presbyterian, haven't you? Kennah Jan 2014 #173

So all they have to do is vote for candidates who support Single Payer... brooklynite Jan 2014 #174

STFU, OK? MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #180

WHO THE HELL WOULD WANT A HEALTHCARE SYSTEM WITH A LOUSY 1.5% OVERHEAD COST!? TrollBuster9090 Jan 2014 #178

Damn it, Manny, what are we going to do about the tyranny of the majority? Next they'll be wanting marble falls Jan 2014 #179

Dividng Us Is Their Strategy W.J. McCabe Jan 2014 #183

Let no one confuse you with facts. merrily Jan 2014 #185

Well, one of is confused. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #190

Whom did I insult personally? merrily Jan 2014 #192

Ah. I misunderstood your subject line. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #194

Message board hazard. merrily Jan 2014 #195

I'm typically not an aficionado of the South, MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #197

Y'all is sometimes used when addressing only one person, though. merrily Jan 2014 #199

True. Still a void in our language. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #217

If u dont talk about it santroy79 Jan 2014 #205

As soon as more than 2/3rds of the House Gets on board...that's when. n/t Sheepshank Jan 2014 #212

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #213