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AtheistCrusader

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113. Correcting your attempts to misrepresent me, is browbeating you?

Thu Jan 2, 2014, 12:02 PM

Jan 2014

This is not an 'all or nothing' popularity contest. This pope unambiguously holds that same-sex couples adopting children is "discrimination against children".

That is not the compassion you spoke of. That is an outright homophobic position. (Which he also bolstered with a claim that attempts to legalize such things as a move by satan himself)

You might feel like I'm browbeating you about that, but if you check your premise, I think you'll find you're feeling hemmed in because there IS no denying that this is true. Homophobia is homophobia. It is clearly defined and easy to spot. This was a prime example of it.

You are caught between the explicit tenets of a religious dogma, and a modern civil rights issue. I bet that's really uncomfortable. I'm sympathetic. Still, the issue remains on the table. In what way is a proponent of that dogma 'compassionate'? Or the other two issues I highlighted? When you include all elements of the issue of being poor, or truly, terminally ill, the word compassion doesn't apply to the RCC's position.

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I Knew Pope Francis Was Good, But [View all] Egnever Jan 2014 OP

I like the guy. Common Sense Party Jan 2014 #1

Me too Egnever Jan 2014 #6

He really impresses me too FreakinDJ Jan 2014 #64

Didn't he wash the feet of a Muslim woman--and the wingnut crowd went wild? MADem Jan 2014 #2

Yup Egnever Jan 2014 #5

I went to a service at the Unity Church, (a very progressive church) and the ministers Maraya1969 Jan 2014 #17

I like that church. Squinch Jan 2014 #25

#17? Really? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #3

Teens do it all the time LiberalElite Jan 2014 #4

this is DU ZRT2209 Jan 2014 #13

Yeah. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #28

you have earned a full ignore. Happy New Year! ZRT2209 Jan 2014 #43

Life is easy when you ignore reality. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #44

Life is also easy when one can't see a bigger picture BuddhaGirl Jan 2014 #150

He did say that gays should feel free to receive Communion BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #80

Not good enough ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #127

Taking a selfie = progressivism? Really? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #45

taking a selfie - LiberalElite Jan 2014 #60

From the article itself: Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #69

I gotta give him credit... TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #78

A Pope-positive response to balance out the Pope-poopers NBachers Jan 2014 #7

lol.. +1 Cha Jan 2014 #12

Yes! Pirate Smile Jan 2014 #54

1,4,6,10,11,13,15,16,17 Morning Dew Jan 2014 #8

21 TlalocW Jan 2014 #9

OK, He's starting to get my attention a little I admit, defacto7 Jan 2014 #10

I just find it nice to have a guy in there for a change Egnever Jan 2014 #14

I agree. Squinch Jan 2014 #26

+1 n/t Chan790 Jan 2014 #41

+10 840high Jan 2014 #154

More of Francis' "charm offensive." blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #11

Meanwhile the entity he is leader of is continuing to sue to block the ACA for contraception coverag AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #15

Change happens one person at a time Egnever Jan 2014 #16

I'm not sure it's possible for him to alter the core foundations of misogyny, homophobia, etc, that AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #18

Well you keep on raging Egnever Jan 2014 #19

It's so sad to see people side with those who oppose our basic rights. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #42

Stupid vapid post Egnever Jan 2014 #51

You dismiss his anti minority bigotry in order to cheer. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #66

Sorry but no Egnever Jan 2014 #77

It's more than sad.. it seems desperate theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #160

1000 times better than the Nazi Pope B Calm Jan 2014 #20

Nazi Popes never work out well. Squinch Jan 2014 #27

Benedict wrote extensively about poverty, Francis has better PR folks, same rap. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #39

the reason why more 'support' this pope over the last Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2014 #100

Public Relations 1000words Jan 2014 #21

Most amazing to me is, he hasn't come down w/ a mysteriously BAD cold. eShirl Jan 2014 #22

Looks like he's also taking a stand against anti-gay craziness anti partisan Jan 2014 #23

Francis has not said a single word to oppose the law now passed in Uganda Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #40

A stand for more and more anti-gay craziness, you mean Laughing Mirror Jan 2014 #91

I can't really disagree with that. I do think organized religion should butt the hell out of these nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #159

#8 does it for me. Actions with no words at all. nt DebJ Jan 2014 #24

Me too JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #30

He is truly a mensch! meti57b Jan 2014 #29

"Pope Francis 'shocked' by gay adoption says Bishop of Malta" idwiyo Jan 2014 #31

"He is making all the right people very uncomfortable, this pope is." WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #32

Hope his behavior gives food for thought to the right wingers treestar Jan 2014 #33

And yet he believes homosexuality is a mental disorder, that adoption by gay couples NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #34

Hater. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #37

Perhaps Egnever Jan 2014 #55

He's not working on it. The policies won't be changing because he agrees with them. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #59

Yes it is all a sinister plot to divert attention Egnever Jan 2014 #75

Organizations facing intense legal and public image problems often seek to divert Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #116

If a positive PR campaign capable of suckering in progressives is a "sinister plot," then yes. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #134

Sadly the reason he is getting praise for it Egnever Jan 2014 #137

Oh really? eqfan592 Jan 2014 #140

Yes really! Egnever Jan 2014 #142

The Pope is a terrible person... MellowDem Jan 2014 #35

"Religious privilege" is right. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #38

What religious privilege? kwassa Jan 2014 #47

Good examples were given above Bradical79 Jan 2014 #48

Nope. I'm looking at the big picture. kwassa Jan 2014 #50

And his idea of what a good Christian is Bradical79 Jan 2014 #56

True Egnever Jan 2014 #58

Sure Bradical79 Jan 2014 #62

Pope Francis is a great progressive paragon, in the context of the Catholic Church. kwassa Jan 2014 #74

Even in that context he's not a progressive. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #138

He doesn't judge us because he believes we are mentally ill. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #63

Actually, you're completely ignoring the big picture. eqfan592 Jan 2014 #135

Religious leaders are given different criteria... MellowDem Jan 2014 #70

Different people have different criteria, right here on DU. kwassa Jan 2014 #72

The Bible... MellowDem Jan 2014 #87

The Bible is a complicated piece of work. kwassa Jan 2014 #111

It's not complicated, it's completely flawed... MellowDem Jan 2014 #117

It's all mythology though. Arugula Latte Jan 2014 #118

My God does not punish. 840high Jan 2014 #155

Then you don't worship the god of the Bible... nt MellowDem Jan 2014 #158

Ohh for fucks sake Egnever Jan 2014 #76

The intolerance isn't over by a long shot. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #88

Even his good positions are only held because he believes God commands it NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #106

How do you know what he believes? kwassa Jan 2014 #112

Yes. It's called Hell and is a doctrine of the Church. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #114

but what does Pope Francis believe? doctrine or not? kwassa Jan 2014 #119

Pope Francis believes in hell, unless you are claiming he rejects a central doctrine of the NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #121

What he believes in his heart and what he expresses might be different. kwassa Jan 2014 #125

If he doesn't believe in hell, then he is not a Catholic. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #126

Sorry, you don't get to decide it, try as you might. kwassa Jan 2014 #130

So he's a liar then... MellowDem Jan 2014 #143

yep amuse bouche Jan 2014 #109

Really? Beacool Jan 2014 #139

He thinks Hillary can never be a priest... MellowDem Jan 2014 #141

Recommended. mmonk Jan 2014 #36

Truly a good person. egduj Jan 2014 #46

Maybe, time will tell Bradical79 Jan 2014 #49

Of course not Egnever Jan 2014 #52

Didnt say everything should happen right away Bradical79 Jan 2014 #53

To all you pope haters. You act like he is an absolute leader that can change church doctrine Drew Richards Jan 2014 #57

No, he's just exactly like all the other anti gay, anti choice religious yeppers. Dime a dozen. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #67

True dat. Orrex Jan 2014 #68

And the things from his own mouth? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #73

There's a reason why Popes take a new name when they're elected BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #81

I'm a big believer in redemption, actually. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #86

My question to those opposed to the RCC position on homosexual activity, contraceptives, etc Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #85

I get it all the time from the right wing. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #89

Do you have any tolerance? Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #92

For misogyny, homophobia, anti-choice positions and the people that work day and night AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #93

Then you have given the answer, the answer is no, this issue is not going to change, Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #95

You're right. The RCC is not going to change. That's why I keep bringing these issues up whenever AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #96

I don't 'meet' people halfway on basic civil rights. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #97

You can have whatever opinion you want, I am entitled to my opinion. I do not practice TP Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #98

Because the RCC spends millions of dollars and directs votes toward lobbying efforts on these issues AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #99

I don't care how the RCC spends their money or don't spend their money. Can I agree on the Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #102

That is incredibly disingenuous. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #108

You are browbeating me, it will not work, I have my opinions and will not succumb to the Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #110

Correcting your attempts to misrepresent me, is browbeating you? AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #113

It is not 'intolerance' to tell people who are hurting other people to STOP hurting other people AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #94

My position doesn't force them to accept my beliefs. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #101

Exactly, these are issues which will be decided through other means in the US, my opinion Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #103

Except his policies do great harm to the poor and ill. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #104

Would you rather he does not have compassion to the poor and ill. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #105

No, I'd rather he does. Because right now he does not. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #107

Why is it okay to like a guy who opposes homosexuality, access to contraceptives... Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #120

Some have gone further than just writing off the bigotry and ignoring it. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #122

Has this site gone completely nuts? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #123

Sometimes I think so. NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #124

That's what I've been told before. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #128

Because 57% of Catholics identify as Democratic? A majority of Catholics voted for Obama? kwassa Jan 2014 #129

You totally ignored my comment. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #131

How do you know he is homophobic and misogynistic? kwassa Jan 2014 #132

How do I know? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #133

Catholics are Democrats. kwassa Jan 2014 #145

Hypothetical question: Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #146

You veer off-point. kwassa Jan 2014 #148

I ask those questions because that's what the Pope believes: Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #149

I am not sure if that is what he believes, or what he felt compelled to say by his position kwassa Jan 2014 #151

It doesn't matter. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #152

It matters to me, and millions of others. kwassa Jan 2014 #153

You knew LiberalElite Jan 2014 #61

Just like any other carnival barker, this huckster has lots to say, Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #65

He makes me proud to be a Catholic! PennsylvaniaMatt Jan 2014 #71

I bet Obama did way more. Jamastiene Jan 2014 #79

The Pope took away the legitimacy of every Catholic Tea Bagger BarackTheVote Jan 2014 #82

More power to him, then. Jamastiene Jan 2014 #84

a few steps on a long journey... madrchsod Jan 2014 #83

The PR of a misogynist institution is in overdrive! Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #90

The casual deception is sad. The Pope is the World's leader in opposing LGBT rights. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #115

I like him too. Beacool Jan 2014 #136

As a gay woman... theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #157

It's a tough call for me. davidthegnome Jan 2014 #144

Pope Francis Drew 6.6 million to vatican in 2013, 3 times more than benedict Chrom Jan 2014 #147

Is this like the third time you've posted this? theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #156

Those are all good things, for the most part. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #161