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In reply to the discussion: Why is DU in a gender war anyway? [View all]Major Nikon
(36,925 posts)221. Illegal discrimination has to do with civil rights
Civil rights and privilege are two different things.
There's also countless ways men are disadvantaged. Both men and women are privileged in different ways. At best it's a wash. White privilege absolutely does exist. There are very few ways anyone has an advantage for being non-white.
Rape culture is a group of societal attitudes that facilitates rape:
I get this part about "rape culture" and you are absolutely correct that certain attitudes most certainly do facilitate rape. However, as I mentioned different people have different ideas about exactly what that entails. With no agreed upon definition or quantifiable standards the term becomes meaningless.
From wiki:
Although the concept of rape culture is used in feminist academia,[8] there is disagreement over what defines a rape culture and to what degree a given society meets the criteria to be considered a rape culture.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture
So the term has value in academia so long as someone is clearly defining what they mean by that term. Certainly some aspects of it go without saying. Promoting the idea that a woman can't be raped inside marriage. Victim blaming. Preventing people from reporting rape in prison by threats of violence. However, some lump everything they don't like into "rape culture" without any demonstrable evidence that it's true. Also from wiki:
Pornography has also been commonly targeted as a contributor to rape culture because it is said to contribute to larger patterns of oppression. Feminists frequently link rape culture to the widespread distribution of pornography, which is seen as an expression of a rape culture that objectifies women, reducing the female body to a commodity.
Now maybe this is true and maybe it isn't, but at best it's a poorly supported hypothesis. When porn is up exponentially and rape and violence against women is down significantly, the hypothesis has a serious problem with demonstrating cause and effect. Then you have the body of evidence that rejects this notion and even suggests an inverse relationship exists. But if you try to have a discussion with someone who has already made up their mind about what "rape culture" means, you are greeted with accusations of rape apologia. As I alluded to, many just use the term to defame anyone who dares to disagree with them. Whether they realize it or not this simply cheapens the whole idea and detracts from any value the term might have.
This doesn't mean all men are rapists, or that men aren't victims of rape. It includes that as well, but the statistics just show women are far more likely to be the victims.
Actually not all statistics show that.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/21/us-more-men-raped-than-women
Prison rape is arguably the easiest part of the "rape culture" dynamic to solve because by definition you have a captive perpetrator set. Yet if you dare mention anything about this aspect of the problem you are branded as quoting "MRA stats" as if rape is somehow a zero sum game where the rape of men and the rape of women can't be addressed simultaneously.
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Overpriced. Svedka. Run it through an almost blown brita filter and put it in a Grey Goose bottle.
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#11
Hey...you can run the Svedka, and put in in the Stoli bottles! Das Vidanya! nt
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#13
lol nyet tovarich.. though there is a cheap vodka from the balkans i like, cant remember the name
loli phabay
Dec 2013
#17
Cheap vodka from the Balkans? You didn't notice what was being put into the gas tank???? nt
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#18
Sorry, I'm going with the Bacardi 151. Obliterate my memory of any gender war on du!!
madinmaryland
Jan 2014
#57
I do think that a group of ultra right wingers are here masquerading as liberals
notadmblnd
Jan 2014
#52
I think they can only go so far, then their stupidity surfaces and off they go. Banished!
demosincebirth
Jan 2014
#60
I believe you were the first that I saw calling it a trap. The OP has nothing in it about traps.
Squinch
Jan 2014
#123
That trumad post looks to me to be a description of what the thread degenerated into, to a large
Squinch
Jan 2014
#124
Actually, when I read that "flytrap" post, I took it to mean that a reply to the OP
tblue37
Jan 2014
#187
I don't think "whaaa! the poor menz!" is the fault of people posting mens perspectives either.
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#142
It is not a gender war. Women and especially feminists here are not at WAR with men.
boston bean
Dec 2013
#41
The question is why do some have such a problem with feminist points of view?
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#42
How quickly it's forgotten we were told to put on a burqa if we didn't want the leering, sexual
boston bean
Dec 2013
#44
So why is it that you don't take the threads about congress or bankers as a personal attack?
BainsBane
Jan 2014
#90
It deserved a much wider audience, and most DUers were very happy it was posted here.
redqueen
Jan 2014
#141
I dunno, seemed to be so predictable at the time as to be a near lock. I tend to find it difficult
TheKentuckian
Jan 2014
#156
As a male i have not once read anything from feminist that offended me or i disagreed with.
Notafraidtoo
Jan 2014
#55
Seem like most here on DU do not like to be contradicted and continue to argue their point right to
demosincebirth
Jan 2014
#58
Once threads get to a considerable length they become a real pain to follow
Fumesucker
Jan 2014
#237
Long story short? Because it has zippitydoodah to do with rape, equal rights or feminism
LadyHawkAZ
Jan 2014
#73
Yes. People need to own their alerts. That would put an end to these crap alerts.
Comrade Grumpy
Jan 2014
#149
I don't care about your call outs, your criticisms, or what you like or approve of.
Waiting For Everyman
Jan 2014
#243
Wow. I thought LadyHawke's post was good and am shocked to see it alerted on...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2014
#170
Um yes. Feminism is on my agenda and I have few scruples about pushing it.
Luminous Animal
Jan 2014
#183
Want to stop the gender war? Try listening rather than responding defensively.
Gormy Cuss
Jan 2014
#152
Oppressed minorities often point out inequities or institutionalized/enculturated behaviors
Zorra
Jan 2014
#166
There isn't. It's just more pointless forum drama. The type nobody cares about.
Dash87
Jan 2014
#189
I notice a lack of commitment to broad-based equality and populism in general from many
Romulox
Jan 2014
#197
This post and the one above it are the two most insightful things I've read here this week. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jan 2014
#230
So you think it's funny to trash our Democratic President on Democratic Underground.
tridim
Jan 2014
#217
I know this won't cover everything, but starting an argument with "Shut up and listen"
hughee99
Jan 2014
#212