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Duckhunter935

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191. Do what ever you want

Fri Jan 3, 2014, 03:08 AM

Jan 2014

You seem pretty hung up on it.

I guess the way it must work is pedestrians get their green light and all traffic stops. Cars would then get their green light but must stop before making a turn. We can even have the drivers get out and verify the road is clear before proceeding.

That would make things safer. Ban cars, that would work.

maybe something like this....

Red flag laws were laws in the United Kingdom and the United States enacted in the late 19th century, requiring drivers of early automobiles to take certain safety precautions, including waving a red flag in front of the vehicle as a warning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_traffic_laws

Hating on bicycles? how is obeying the law hating on bicycles. I am looking out for their SAFETY. I think most of the time they are the ones that suffer the worst if the fail to obey the law and get hit by a 2 ton car or truck. I hope you too care about that.

Why bring guns into this, I was blocked from "castle bansalot" for a perceived SOP violation after 3 posts without any warning or appeal. They tend to do that a lot over there. My loss, I miss the great discussion over there, but it is a very slow forum. That is OK they need their "safe haven" Since that is off topic, that is all I will say in answer to your comment

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Drivers should have to stop before turning through a crosswalk with a "WALK" signal active [View all] CreekDog Jan 2014 OP

Confused as to what you are saying dbackjon Jan 2014 #1

Not how it works in Boston Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #2

Same in SoCal n/t PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #3

that poster is in Arizona, and they happen there too, poster is just not getting it CreekDog Jan 2014 #5

Correct - but the law states to make the right on red, you have to stop first dbackjon Jan 2014 #15

They don't have a red light Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #19

he's arguing offline that laws don't need to be changed, cars already have to stop for pedestrians.. CreekDog Jan 2014 #24

it's about making a right on green CreekDog Jan 2014 #22

MA state law is that if there's a pedestrian in the crosswalk, you have to stop. MADem Jan 2014 #139

yes, thank you for being the 100th person to point that out CreekDog Jan 2014 #141

Go slow through the crosswalk, and put your lights on! MADem Jan 2014 #144

thanks for being obtuse CreekDog Jan 2014 #150

Well, one way to protect them would be to sentence a bit more harshly. MADem Jan 2014 #168

Actually, I've never seen that MissMillie Jan 2014 #214

When a car has a green signal and is turning through a crosswalk which has a walk signal CreekDog Jan 2014 #4

I think the OP refers to a crosswalk parallel and to the right of the car CBGLuthier Jan 2014 #6

yes, you are correct it's exactly what I'm referring to. CreekDog Jan 2014 #8

here, you'll see what I mean: CreekDog Jan 2014 #7

Here in California minivan2 Jan 2014 #98

That's not the way it is in Colorado either donheld Jan 2014 #182

Impractical. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #9

The solution would be to have both crosswalks active at once mythology Jan 2014 #59

So... the red crossing light would say; "DON'T WALK" and the green one; "RUN LIKE HELL!" nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #63

No, those types of intersections don't say that. Why would you think so, ignorance? CreekDog Jan 2014 #70

I grew up rural, live in the suburbs, and work urban. Jenoch Jan 2014 #75

Traffic engineers have actually implemented the crossing described CreekDog Jan 2014 #142

Traffic engineers probably have analyzed this intersection in the recent past U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #177

try this Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #178

Thanks. That is definitely a high-volume area. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #180

the problem is not specific to that intersection, it's specific to that design CreekDog Jan 2014 #219

Ugh, traffic engineers seattledo Jan 2014 #179

What a load of crap. Oh....wait U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #181

i agree to some extent, but Jenoch was saying we should listen to them CreekDog Jan 2014 #183

I never posted anything like that at all. Jenoch Jan 2014 #189

yes you did, you were playing a game CreekDog Jan 2014 #200

From where did you earn your traffic engineering degree Jenoch Jan 2014 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jan 2014 #188

It's already illegal to not yield to pedestrians. They do have to stop. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #10

*If* they see the pedestrian. What if they don't? CreekDog Jan 2014 #14

Do you mean like a "stop and then proceed" rule for cars going through a green? NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #17

there are 2 possibilities there, so yes, a stop and proceed law would be a start CreekDog Jan 2014 #20

Not to start an argument, but there are lots of stupid pedestrians, cyclists as we'll. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #41

You won't get an argument out of me over those statements. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #44

I had the jogger type run out in front of me at dusk yesterday. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #46

anti environmentalist: "Cars having to stop is a waste of fossil fuel momentum." CreekDog Jan 2014 #73

No, it's true. It's science. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #76

yes, but if it makes walking less safe, how much fuel does that cost us? CreekDog Jan 2014 #78

There are those who constantly look to the next technological or legislative fix... NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #80

so you're saying that 4th St. and Folsom in SF is too costly and complicated to exist? CreekDog Jan 2014 #81

of course you won't argue. you want the cars to keep going as fast as possible. CreekDog Jan 2014 #119

And the oscar for drama queen goes to... Skip Intro Jan 2014 #134

a 6 year old was killed yesterday, everyone chill okay? CreekDog Jan 2014 #135

sad thing Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #145

yes CreekDog Jan 2014 #148

very sad Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #156

those are solutions but people in a crosswalk in the middle of the street CreekDog Jan 2014 #158

"don't even for a moment put it on the pedestrians." Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #163

well problem solved then CreekDog Jan 2014 #165

I have read that link Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #174

"you're a dinosaur" pintobean Jan 2014 #136

your last political post at DU, when was it? CreekDog Jan 2014 #146

You mean, like crosswalk politics? pintobean Jan 2014 #147

advocating for vehicle legislation isn't political? CreekDog Jan 2014 #149

. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #152

Damn dinosaur dirvers! Skip Intro Jan 2014 #151

I have no idea. pintobean Jan 2014 #162

I realize pedestrian fatalities are needless drama to you CreekDog Jan 2014 #202

well what i've posted above is designed to protect legally crossing pedestrians CreekDog Jan 2014 #143

That's a good idea, especially when they're turning from a dedicated turn lane petronius Jan 2014 #11

yes, i like what you're saying here CreekDog Jan 2014 #114

I agree. kcr Jan 2014 #12

yes, that's another problem. CreekDog Jan 2014 #18

It's the same problem with tailgaters. Igel Jan 2014 #27

people should always check to make sure someone isn't crossing and never go so fast JI7 Jan 2014 #13

the problem is they often don't, so the laws probably need to be updated in this case CreekDog Jan 2014 #16

The laws don't need to be changed NV Whino Jan 2014 #21

yes, the laws and/or the signaling and/or the intersection design needs to be changed CreekDog Jan 2014 #23

spent a couple years KT2000 Jan 2014 #25

most drivers don't want a ticket. CreekDog Jan 2014 #26

The law in every state already gives pedestrians the right of way in a cross walk. So how Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #28

In California it IS the law that you have to wait for pedestrians to exit the crosswalk even... Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #29

I said a law requiring stopping before an active walk signal CreekDog Jan 2014 #31

Ok I get it now but I disagree. It would cause even more traffic delays if you HAD to stop Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #34

how fast should cars be rounding the corner than stopping is such a big delay? CreekDog Jan 2014 #36

Then why not remove the light and use stop signs? Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #39

no, I'm not requiring a stop at all times CreekDog Jan 2014 #49

Actually I've advocated for the all walk setup you refer to here CreekDog Jan 2014 #154

How fast? Straw Man Jan 2014 #194

Or without looking while they're on their phone and walking into traffic. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #32

the 6 year old hit with her family while having a walk signal wasn't on her phone CreekDog Jan 2014 #83

No it isn't. The law says you must yield. It doesn't say that you have to wait for them to exit. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #128

Doesn't paragraph (a) say that if pedestrians are within the crosswalk the driver must yield? Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #130

Yield. Note that it doesn't say stop, nor wait until they're out of the crosswalk. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #132

And pedestrians should stop if the Don't Walk light is lit. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #30

i want drivers to stop even if they don't see a pedestrian CreekDog Jan 2014 #35

If your idea were instituted there Jenoch Jan 2014 #33

so you're saying the laws are sufficient to protect pedestrians because motorists need to stop CreekDog Jan 2014 #38

I am suggesting that many roads are not designed for the you are proposing. Jenoch Jan 2014 #48

and what if they don't see the pedestrian? CreekDog Jan 2014 #50

I've always had to slow down to make a turn at Jenoch Jan 2014 #51

It helps if you read my OP before complaining that something I *didn't say* is unworkable CreekDog Jan 2014 #57

Don't you believe that pedestrians at uncontrolled intersections Jenoch Jan 2014 #61

i think you're in over your head CreekDog Jan 2014 #67

awesome idea!!!! I totally agree. Vattel Jan 2014 #37

In drivers ed 50 years ago ... GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #40

and what if you don't see the pedestrians CreekDog Jan 2014 #68

A pedestrian should NEVERE step into a crosswalk without checking for traffic! Jenoch Jan 2014 #93

what if you're in the middle of the intersection? CreekDog Jan 2014 #100

I understand the point you wish to make. Jenoch Jan 2014 #126

no, it wouldn't. CreekDog Jan 2014 #157

I would very much appreciate a link Jenoch Jan 2014 #187

you assume there are pedestrians are in the crosswalk FatBuddy Jan 2014 #196

OK, I thought the law always gives right of way to pedestrians. ananda Jan 2014 #42

yes, but what if intersection design was a problem CreekDog Jan 2014 #85

"...everybody thinks they will have to slow down --they won't,..." Jenoch Jan 2014 #96

because a green signal could be accompanied by a "don't walk signal" CreekDog Jan 2014 #99

If the pedestrian walks on red, Jenoch Jan 2014 #125

They recently retimed the lights geardaddy Jan 2014 #43

yes that is an improvement, it gives pedestrians more visibility CreekDog Jan 2014 #117

Some heavy pedestrian traffic areas have all red lights for vehicles to allow pedestrians to cross. Make7 Jan 2014 #45

Yes, to me that's the best solution, the OP is an alternative where the all-red isn't done CreekDog Jan 2014 #82

How many pedestrians are injured or killed in these types of accidents. madinmaryland Jan 2014 #47

Here, for NYC: CreekDog Jan 2014 #55

it's probably due to pedestrians not paying attention e.g. texting Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #71

how do you know it's probably that? CreekDog Jan 2014 #74

Did you read my link? Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #77

so you're saying that all fatalities are due to texting CreekDog Jan 2014 #87

I give up Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #89

That is overall traffic pedestrian fatalities. To ask once again, how many madinmaryland Jan 2014 #72

why do i need to know how many? CreekDog Jan 2014 #140

Also from the same article: kiva Jan 2014 #84

yes, but what about pedestrians CreekDog Jan 2014 #86

Sorry, I was editing my post to add a line. kiva Jan 2014 #88

thank you. there are just a few of us willing to consider the suggestion here. CreekDog Jan 2014 #102

I DID NOT IMPLY THAT PEOPLE WALKING WERE TEXTING OR NOT PAYING ATTENTION!!!!!! madinmaryland Jan 2014 #129

You seem to be a bit obsessed pintobean Jan 2014 #52

I would say so. pangaia Jan 2014 #62

i really didn't realize that 4 OPs on pedestrian safety in 10 months was excessive CreekDog Jan 2014 #105

so you're saying that 2 posts in May, 1 post in March and now constitutes obsession? CreekDog Jan 2014 #95

And now this one. Yes. pintobean Jan 2014 #107

why don't you ask Skinner whether or not I'm obsessed with this topic CreekDog Jan 2014 #108

That's just weird, dude. pintobean Jan 2014 #109

well you trying to get the RIP Claire post locked was weird CreekDog Jan 2014 #112

It was a press release from a gun control group pintobean Jan 2014 #123

and you wanted that post chewed up in the gungeon CreekDog Jan 2014 #153

Um... there's more than one gun group. pintobean Jan 2014 #159

do you want a medal for not alerting on the other thread for Claire? CreekDog Jan 2014 #160

I'm not a gungeoner pintobean Jan 2014 #164

i didn't call you a gungeoner CreekDog Jan 2014 #167

Pedestrians also need to pay attention alarimer Jan 2014 #53

Here in Ca we have to yield Politicalboi Jan 2014 #54

There is no need for a new traffic law for this situation. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #56

No, there is a need, because every day I cross streets and with walk signals, cars disobey CreekDog Jan 2014 #90

It is by no means hostility. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #106

What good does it do for me to watch when i'm in the middle of the intersection? CreekDog Jan 2014 #110

I never said the solution was to "just look" A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #118

" Understand that there is no practical way for a legally crossing pedestrian to pangaia Jan 2014 #58

so you're saying while walking forward in a crosswalk in the middle of the street CreekDog Jan 2014 #64

NO. you just turn and check, more than once if you value your life. pangaia Jan 2014 #65

it's hard actually. I do it frequently and I can't see cars behind me without almost turning around CreekDog Jan 2014 #66

I did not say the pedestrians are in the wrong. pangaia Jan 2014 #69

if the problem is that they aren't doing something, then you are saying they are in the wrong CreekDog Jan 2014 #79

You can turn and check, and then proceed and a car comes whizzing around the corner and hit you. kcr Jan 2014 #91

thank you for posting this. there must be something wrong with me... CreekDog Jan 2014 #92

I know. We can't be the only ones nearly hit by those right turning, pedestrian ignoring maniacs kcr Jan 2014 #94

You know what I think it is? CreekDog Jan 2014 #97

I think at the very least the light should be red for right turn kcr Jan 2014 #101

Slowing down traffic vs. cutting pedestrian deaths. Tough call, that one. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #113

19%, that is astounding. Thank you for the stat Gormy. CreekDog Jan 2014 #115

Maybe if you could accept that someone else just may have a different opinion than you do. pangaia Jan 2014 #190

i do accept contrary opinions, i don't accept them when they are made with BS CreekDog Jan 2014 #220

BS? pangaia Jan 2014 #227

You my friend have mad skills! Egnever Jan 2014 #120

This has been an urban hazard for years. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #60

In most states, the Pedestrian has the right of way. liberal N proud Jan 2014 #103

Blinker on? Turbineguy Jan 2014 #104

illinois you have to stop at any intersection or crosswalk when a pedestrian is present. madrchsod Jan 2014 #111

again, it depends on seeing them CreekDog Jan 2014 #116

I hope the flamewars get better in 2014. rug Jan 2014 #121

+10000 Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #131

Thread WIN!!! madinmaryland Jan 2014 #133

Just change these intersections into "No Right on Red without Green Arrow"... NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #122

That's already the law in WA. You aren't supposed to go into the intersection pnwmom Jan 2014 #124

No, that's not the law in Washington. Can you please READ the OP? CreekDog Jan 2014 #137

That doesn't protect pedestrians at an intersection without a walk signal. pnwmom Jan 2014 #127

it addresses a specific problem I wrote about in the OP CreekDog Jan 2014 #138

pedestrians, especially teenagers, are idiots rickford66 Jan 2014 #155

i don't think the 6 year old killed yesterday in San Francisco was an idiot CreekDog Jan 2014 #161

Either was 86-year-old Zhen Guang Ng Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #166

because the article clearly states the family had a green signal CreekDog Jan 2014 #169

who said I was downplying pedestrian safety? Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #172

I was relating my experience. rickford66 Jan 2014 #170

you assume there was time for them to react to a vehicle coming CreekDog Jan 2014 #171

Yes, I've been lucky. rickford66 Jan 2014 #175

i look every way possible to avoid being hit CreekDog Jan 2014 #184

I agree rickford66 Jan 2014 #195

Seems like an awful lot of people are going out of their way to ignore the point. yewberry Jan 2014 #173

easiest way is to limit Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #176

way to miss the point CreekDog Jan 2014 #185

Do what ever you want Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #191

Look if you want to do to this thread what you do to threads about gun control CreekDog Jan 2014 #197

Well you brought up the gun control group in this thread, I did not Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #204

no, the Gun Control and RKBA group has few members blocked because it's not a safe haven CreekDog Jan 2014 #205

how many of those blocked Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #210

22 were blocked that were later banned by DU CreekDog Jan 2014 #212

and 25 current members are blocked? Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #215

i don't know which of the 25 currently blocked are trolls CreekDog Jan 2014 #217

How does this address my post? yewberry Jan 2014 #201

The OP is insistent upon ONE remedy which may be impractical U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #192

Wrong. I didn't insist on ONE remedy CreekDog Jan 2014 #198

Okay then, name the many remedies you suggested in the OP. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #211

Now you are PM-ing me & talking shit??? U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #223

don't ask for specifics if you're going to claim i said something i didn't CreekDog Jan 2014 #224

So you've got nothing? U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #226

No, I said I'm not going to answer your request until you take back what you said CreekDog Jan 2014 #231

Poor baby. Now I KNOW you have nothing...lol!!! U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #233

i have plenty, you just refuse to read it. ho hum. CreekDog Jan 2014 #237

Your OP insisted on ONE SOLUTION = cars stopping at the "walk" signal. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #241

Yeah, he does that. pintobean Jan 2014 #225

It is frustrating because I am an engineer & I could offer U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #228

the problem is that you only want to look at one particular intersection at a time CreekDog Jan 2014 #242

The problem is that I'm dealing with a low-info DUer with a grudge. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #243

I am not the OP, and the suggested solution may well be impractical. yewberry Jan 2014 #203

You assert something that may or may not be true. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #213

Okaaaay...since you don't want to take my word for it... yewberry Jan 2014 #229

There are a number of issues with that intersection & the surrounding area. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #236

I think simply Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #193

In my neck of the woods, BobUp Jan 2014 #199

That is the same law Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #218

After reviewing images BobUp Jan 2014 #246

No clue how I have made it this long... NCTraveler Jan 2014 #206

Could it be . . . Brigid Jan 2014 #208

Yes. That is why. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #209

There is a very busy intersection near my home. Brigid Jan 2014 #207

it's a problem and as a pedestrian in this city and others, it's increasing CreekDog Jan 2014 #216

I think is they no longer Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #221

again, you're just being argumentative CreekDog Jan 2014 #222

nope, never badmouthed bicyclists Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #230

ah you're saying i'm obsessed with guns CreekDog Jan 2014 #232

you are the one that keeps bringing guns up Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #234

on the Sandy Hook anniversary you were bringing up guns rather constantly CreekDog Jan 2014 #235

I did not start the thread Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #238

but my reference to guns makes me obsessed with them CreekDog Jan 2014 #239

never tried to limit discussion Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #240

I agree with you Catherine Vincent Jan 2014 #244

to me, the "Walk" signal is misleading to pedestrians when cars have a green CreekDog Jan 2014 #247

Also, Catherine Vincent Jan 2014 #245