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442. I think we are really close on the way we view things.

Fri Jan 3, 2014, 12:41 PM

Jan 2014

Differences are minor, except with respect to one group. You can see from my posting history that I have gone after democrats and republicans. I just know, at this point in time, I can only have a true effect on one party.

Rock on bobduca!!!

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] paulbibeau Jan 2014 OP

I remain loyal to ideals, not party. Scuba Jan 2014 #1

+1000 Glassunion Jan 2014 #2

Yup. ScreamingMeemie Jan 2014 #8

Me too. Le Taz Hot Jan 2014 #10

That was certainly an eye opener, along with the Lieberman brigade. nt adirondacker Jan 2014 #267

Same here. nt City Lights Jan 2014 #12

Me too! bvar22 Jan 2014 #27

+1. "Loyalty" in politics is a line fed to fools so that they'll be useful idiots. Dash87 Jan 2014 #36

+1000. ^^^^^ GoneFishin Jan 2014 #284

Therein lies the trap... ewagner Jan 2014 #40

I like what you are saying. I would only like to expand on it. A Simple Game Jan 2014 #95

Accurate description...but... ewagner Jan 2014 #281

Totally agree. They will continue mind forking you as long as keep buying either type of milk. GoneFishin Jan 2014 #289

+1. Party is a means to an end, not an end in itself. n/t winter is coming Jan 2014 #53

Thomas Jefferson agrees. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #85

Beautiful quote. Thanks. woo me with science Jan 2014 #113

Solid. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #115

Here is a quote from a non-slave owner that lives in our century XRubicon Jan 2014 #187

Yep. If the Democratic Party wants to support these ideals, then I'll support the Democratic Party. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #221

That is where I am. There truly is a greater danger. Modern republicans are that danger. nt bluestate10 Jan 2014 #321

the problem is FatBuddy Jan 2014 #3

And the election-spoiling begins. MineralMan Jan 2014 #4

Was about to say this exact thing thucythucy Jan 2014 #14

It's my pleasure. There's going to be more and more of this MineralMan Jan 2014 #20

"I'll be posting in every downer election thread I see" thucythucy Jan 2014 #21

Just because I agree with the op does not mean I am not going to vote Mojorabbit Jan 2014 #32

I'm sure you will vote. I'm sure everyone on DU will vote. MineralMan Jan 2014 #39

It's kinda hard to convince anyone to vote for the Democrat on the ticket... PoliticalPothead Jan 2014 #364

Which people is the Democrat not representing? MineralMan Jan 2014 #367

The people who... PoliticalPothead Jan 2014 #378

OK, thanks. MineralMan Jan 2014 #380

So, tell us who you do prefer, please. MineralMan Jan 2014 #403

ROFL! No, the poster doesn't have to go "district by district." woo me with science Jan 2014 #412

Superb answer. Actually, *the* answer. woo me with science Jan 2014 #410

+1000 PoliticalPothead Jan 2014 #422

I agree also. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #37

Then you had better make damn sure there is... 99Forever Jan 2014 #56

yes FatBuddy Jan 2014 #66

+10000000 woo me with science Jan 2014 #101

You'll do as you please, of course. MineralMan Jan 2014 #157

+8,749 Scuba Jan 2014 #169

That's why I DISenrolled from Democrat status joeunderdog Jan 2014 #331

Please point out... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #153

Hoo-rah! Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #195

And the lowering of any expectations begins. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #232

The Third Way knows it is shoveling predatory shit, and their own words prove it. woo me with science Jan 2014 #437

And with the complicity you endorse, there never will be. last1standing Jan 2014 #357

You will do as you please, I'm sure. MineralMan Jan 2014 #359

As will you. And we will both continue to advocate for our beliefs. last1standing Jan 2014 #361

You know what spoils elections? PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #427

blech nt BlueToTheBone Jan 2014 #5

I haven't seen a f'n republicon I'd vote for madokie Jan 2014 #6

Bullpucks. Skidmore Jan 2014 #7

every year i wait for someone to set my soul afire dembotoz Jan 2014 #9

A proven, dupe/Collaborator path toward winning for the Bad Guys UTUSN Jan 2014 #11

Give us all a parliamentary system which constructs coalition governments... MrScorpio Jan 2014 #13

And they have to compromise to be part of the coalition! treestar Jan 2014 #16

the purpose of a party is to pull together to get as many elected officials treestar Jan 2014 #15

I don't think some are able to grasp the scope of the Democratic Party. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #397

I used to feel that way... lapfog_1 Jan 2014 #17

Idealist Nonsense that Hurts Self and Others is for the Cruel, the Stupid, and the Privileged alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #18

Who cares what you think? Bradical79 Jan 2014 #59

Yes ...if you are against the corporate 3rd way centrist right then you are a "Naderite" or Greenie. L0oniX Jan 2014 #71

+1, not just privledged, somewhat racist too. Look what 2010 did to voting rights in the US Exultant Democracy Jan 2014 #132

Please show us exactly where... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #171

Yes. I did not in fact say that. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #172

And in the meantime... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #159

Thanks for reality check Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #196

"It's why the Naderites can barely scratch together 3% of the vote" Number23 Jan 2014 #252

So, trying to give the 99% an even break is dismissed a "hopeless ideal". winter is coming Jan 2014 #371

This message was self-deleted by its author paulbibeau Jan 2014 #19

Tell that to the 5 million Americans thucythucy Jan 2014 #22

Tell it LIKE IT IS! Great post! nt MADem Jan 2014 #31

FUD...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #23

FUD on steroids....and I hope no one is naive enough to buy it. nt MADem Jan 2014 #33

Oh Sid. You can't quit me, can you? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #54

no Sid, this goes beyond FUD into straight up trollery... dionysus Jan 2014 #138

I vote issues and principles, not party and politician. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #24

+1 woo me with science Jan 2014 #425

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp! tabasco Jan 2014 #25

No, you're more like this... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #26

Well, this site isn't anypartyunderground longship Jan 2014 #28

Gee, DU is for those "hacks and fools" you seem to hate.... MADem Jan 2014 #29

+1000 Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #73

Please show us exactly where... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #173

Seriously, please. Show us WHERE... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #176

It is possible to say something by inference. MADem Jan 2014 #209

"Inference" is what you would do as a reader. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #210

Oh boy--a grammar nazi! There was a thread about you today! MADem Jan 2014 #212

"Diction Nazi" paulbibeau Jan 2014 #215

Well, judging by your twitter account, you're a disruptor. That starts with "D" too. nt MADem Jan 2014 #268

I do love the hooplah, yes. Guilty. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #272

No, this isn't an "argument." It's a name-calling exercise that you acknowledge is giving you a few MADem Jan 2014 #275

This post combines a straw man argument, an ad hominem attack, and a conspiracy theory. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #276

No it doesn't. It tells it like it is. Too bad if you don't like it. MADem Jan 2014 #277

Your statement is demonstrably wrong. Here. Allow me... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #279

No, it's not wrong. By your OP and your twitter account, you've told us what you're about. MADem Jan 2014 #282

I admit nothing of the sort. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #283

Your posts aren't "causing a stir," they're "creating a record." MADem Jan 2014 #302

I am not walking back any comment at all. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #340

Sure, whatever you say. Keep it up! Pay no attention to your words in the OP! MADem Jan 2014 #351

I'm not whining. I'm not even a little upset. I'm enjoying this crap. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #363

Keep digging. MADem Jan 2014 #381

What comment did I make specifically that I am backing off from? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #388

You asked for it. Like I said, keep digging--you'll hit oil or water soon enough. MADem Jan 2014 #396

No, you're totally right. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #400

No, wait... I'm still right. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #401

No you aren't. And if multiple, rambling, excuse-making posts are the best you can do, MADem Jan 2014 #402

I suppose I'd rationalize it the same way to better validate a very adequate eighth-grade essay. LanternWaste Jan 2014 #408

Well you're more of a topic nazi... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #225

The OP danced close to the line, "insinuating" that MADem Jan 2014 #231

Not trying to sell you anything... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #234

I'm not the one peddling or cheerleading the "You stupid Democrats are hacks" meme. MADem Jan 2014 #239

"Try reading the whole TOS, in context." ljm2002 Jan 2014 #222

My name is Paul, so in a sense, I'm a Paulite. I like me! paulbibeau Jan 2014 #224

Doh, of course! :-) n/t ljm2002 Jan 2014 #226

That wasn't the only portion I excerpted. MADem Jan 2014 #233

It wasn't the ONLY part you excerpted... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #237

It was apropos to the post but you focused on it as though it was all I excerpted. MADem Jan 2014 #240

That is very broad and subjective nilesobek Jan 2014 #269

This one XRubicon Jan 2014 #413

Sooo, you are interpreting that to mean... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #417

This person is a professional writer XRubicon Jan 2014 #418

Don't forget to point out that William Pitt links to his own articles Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #436

You are right XRubicon Jan 2014 #439

So DU is only for party loyalists... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #227

DU is for people who adhere to the TOS, something you're apparently MADem Jan 2014 #229

Well you know... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #230

I generally try to avoid that sort of unpleasantness. MADem Jan 2014 #235

DUzy! DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #423

Not sure what you find so funny, perhaps you can't count....? MADem Jan 2014 #432

ROFL! woo me with science Jan 2014 #431

Glad you're so easily amused! MADem Jan 2014 #434

Disloyalty is even more for hacks, fools, and operatives. gulliver Jan 2014 #30

Capitulation is as much a loss as struggling and losing Scootaloo Jan 2014 #104

Loyalty, like respect must be earned. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #107

If the party leaves the voter.... AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #143

So criticism is disloyalty? ljm2002 Jan 2014 #175

I could swear Edward R Murrow said something about that, dissent confused with disloyalty. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #248

I think all of us here at DU agree that Democrats are preferable to Republicans. Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #34

+1 octoberlib Jan 2014 #162

Where the fuck am I? Better yet, where the fuck are you? lonestarnot Jan 2014 #35

I agree and I would add loyalty to country to that list alarimer Jan 2014 #38

Ah, the "Self-Centered" approach to politics. Nice. WinkyDink Jan 2014 #46

Right now creeksneakers2 Jan 2014 #50

Because, like the Republicans billh58 Jan 2014 #262

Tell that to the unpopular minority party baldguy Jan 2014 #41

You're confusing billh58 Jan 2014 #42

Been a Democrat for all of my adult life (since 1973). Sorry you think I'm a fool, a hack Rowdyboy Jan 2014 #43

Same here!! WinkyDink Jan 2014 #45

Some people here have a strong urge to lecture and belittle those they feel are below their "level" Rowdyboy Jan 2014 #58

Commoners abound, and we vote Big "D"! (I "liked Ike," but I was only three then! I learned fast!) WinkyDink Jan 2014 #140

Bravo. Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #75

To the "Issues and Principles over Party" people: I trust the former never includes Republicans? WinkyDink Jan 2014 #44

It's easier to be a lazy cynic like yourself rather than putting in hard work for a party. great white snark Jan 2014 #47

Increasing joy is an indirect common liberal goal. ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #305

I know that Senator Sanders dotymed Jan 2014 #48

Sanders also has enough sense creeksneakers2 Jan 2014 #68

or heres an idea.. iamthebandfanman Jan 2014 #49

Nowhere in the piece do I endorse voting third party, or for Republicans. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #52

Your theory that Republicans are in some new mode and that they used to adapt Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #64

No, but the GOP has gotten worse. Are you saying the GOP hasn't gotten worse? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #67

I'm saying when I was born they were already the worst. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #333

I've actually written specifically about the Dems and gay rights... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #69

This may not be your intention, but your "piece" comes off sounding like MADem Jan 2014 #94

I will vote for the democratic candidate rather than the republican without fail, but Vattel Jan 2014 #51

I'm still proud, loyal, if you will, to about 2/3rds of our democrats nightscanner59 Jan 2014 #55

Notice the "my friends" in the post HERVEPA Jan 2014 #57

+100 billh58 Jan 2014 #78

Ha--sounds like him, doesn't it? nt MADem Jan 2014 #307

Corporatists in both parties are ramping up for another con game. woo me with science Jan 2014 #60

when a politician shows fidelity and loyalty to the working class FatBuddy Jan 2014 #65

+10000 And at this point we need a record of action, rather than mere promises, woo me with science Jan 2014 #91

How they do it is called triangulation. zeemike Jan 2014 #61

Actually triangulation is more complaining to one to avoid dealing with the other. nolabear Jan 2014 #74

Well I chose to express it in it's simplest terms. zeemike Jan 2014 #86

Lying about intentions, and crying "lesser of two evils" where they can't get away with lying. woo me with science Jan 2014 #80

Thanks for that clip. zeemike Jan 2014 #89

You talk like disloyalty will bring positive change creeksneakers2 Jan 2014 #62

The party is driving itself to the right AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #145

The party isn't going right by itself creeksneakers2 Jan 2014 #185

It is being driven to the right by the third way AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #192

The "DLC" is in boxes at the Clinton Library. MADem Jan 2014 #336

DLC = third way AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #370

They aren't the same thing. nt MADem Jan 2014 #372

The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #384

Did you read what you just cited? MADem Jan 2014 #393

You sound like a third way fan AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #394

Real nice. You are factually inaccurate, so you make snide accusations about me because MADem Jan 2014 #398

Then dont get AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #424

Who's bent out of shape? Sounds like YOU are! MADem Jan 2014 #429

So you are a DLC fanboy? AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #443

How old are you? 22 and angst-ridden? "Fanboy?" Jesus. MADem Jan 2014 #444

Same methods, same agenda. same advocates, and most importantly, same money. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #426

Wow, what a charming accusation! MADem Jan 2014 #428

When the facts are against you, argue the law. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #430

Grow up. I mean it. Grow up. The DLC is dead, and flogging it as though it's a zombie MADem Jan 2014 #445

Seems to me that that an adult would have the vision to see what is and proceed Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #446

Where am I not "proceeding from reality?" I'm not the one making the boogie-man MADem Jan 2014 #448

So it is disloyal to critize? ljm2002 Jan 2014 #177

No creeksneakers2 Jan 2014 #183

You say... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #191

"Administration" refers to Obama creeksneakers2 Jan 2014 #255

My mistake... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #259

YOU FOOL! Don't you know that to criticize is to call for not voting? L0oniX Jan 2014 #197

Disloyalty? Perhaps you should rethink who owes loyalty to whom. last1standing Jan 2014 #362

A variety of people put them in office creeksneakers2 Jan 2014 #420

What's nauseating is you making such a fallacious strawman argument. last1standing Jan 2014 #421

Common sense vs. nonsense bobduca Jan 2014 #435

anyone who subscribes to the idea of binary opposition of political faction in this country FatBuddy Jan 2014 #63

YOU FOOLS! Join the Centrist Party where rinos and dinos are welcome. L0oniX Jan 2014 #70

From the Democratic Underground Mission Statement.... George II Jan 2014 #72

The only loyalty I have is to those who are loyal to me. Autumn Jan 2014 #76

So what are your colleagues of the left colleagues of? nolabear Jan 2014 #77

The Third Way was never a populist movement. It is a Koch-bankrolled, woo me with science Jan 2014 #84

So, if someone disagrees with YOU, then they are jazzimov Jan 2014 #93

And of course the responses of the Corporate Propaganda Brigade *begin* woo me with science Jan 2014 #79

But, they're "not as bad" as repub corporatists. Like Strychnine is "not as bad" as Arsenic. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #82

A candidate? Really? MineralMan Jan 2014 #83

Can someone win in those districts without Vattel Jan 2014 #97

I'm betting you have no knowledge whatever about those two districts, MineralMan Jan 2014 #149

But they can't win! Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #160

Excellent smackdown of Third Way sophistry. woo me with science Jan 2014 #415

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And the influx continues... woo me with science Jan 2014 #87

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Welcome back! bobduca Jan 2014 #92

Well, well, well. nt woo me with science Jan 2014 #102

boing! I like to call it "electoral slut-shaming" MisterP Jan 2014 #122

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It's funny when you start out with dire warnings about an orchestrated campaign of posting woo me with science Jan 2014 #99

This thread is getting so meta it's like the Matrix, and I LOVE IT. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #103

We are unplugging, woo me with science Jan 2014 #106

A very commendable resolution. ucrdem Jan 2014 #116

You misunderstand, grasshopper. We're taking the party back. woo me with science Jan 2014 #290

+1 Bobbie Jo Jan 2014 #295

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #147

Yes. Spies everywhere. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #88

Yes and starting right on schedule. ucrdem Jan 2014 #114

We are ever and always heading into an election and elections are supposedly TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #137

Um....why do I see a thread like this on DEMOCRATIC Underground? nt Jamaal510 Jan 2014 #96

Because Democrats don't act like Republicans? zeemike Jan 2014 #98

Bull. If you switch a few words in the OP it reads *exactly* what a Republican BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #310

If a teabagger says it's wrong to kill civilians with drone strikes, does that make it right? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #311

Problem is, they never do. BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #314

Do you think you have to be an isolationist to oppose the drone program? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #318

I AM an American. So yeah, I've met an American. BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #328

Replies, in order: paulbibeau Jan 2014 #337

My responses: BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #342

Counter-responses paulbibeau Jan 2014 #345

Good thing we were in the minority 2003-2005 Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #322

Vietnam. People totally got behind that crap for awhile. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #324

Because the Democratic Party, and the democratic process, have been hijacked. woo me with science Jan 2014 #100

Here's how this thread is dividing up... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #105

See Post #94 billh58 Jan 2014 #110

Totally did. Thanks for the link though! paulbibeau Jan 2014 #112

... but none of that is my problem. It's yours. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #117

It's what the "centrists" do. 99Forever Jan 2014 #119

Yes. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #121

Speaking of hacks, billh58 Jan 2014 #125

It's not an excuse. It's a condemnation. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #127

I think the outraged response you are getting... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #204

Definitely. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #205

From your Twitter account: OilemFirchen Jan 2014 #211

I love what I do. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #214

Trust me when I say this. OilemFirchen Jan 2014 #219

Well, he outed himself with that comment, make no mistake. MADem Jan 2014 #257

This one outs himself billh58 Jan 2014 #258

What in hell do they get out of it, I wonder? MADem Jan 2014 #261

He believes that billh58 Jan 2014 #265

You understand your argument here depends on mind-reading, right? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #271

He also believes billh58 Jan 2014 #288

A job and a following, all because of his "pithy" insults to the community here on DU! MADem Jan 2014 #292

I thought I was too clever by half. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #296

You are that, too. And, by your own admission, you love the drama. MADem Jan 2014 #304

I do. But so do you. You're not leaving, right? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #309

I was here when DU first went online. I'm not going anywhere. MADem Jan 2014 #315

Exactly, this one billh58 Jan 2014 #316

Because you can't get it hidden or locked. ucrdem Jan 2014 #109

I vote Democratic, yet I am not loyal to the Democratic party AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #148

because an oft cited and admired(here on DU) and dead-on people politician isn't a Democrat? Agony Jan 2014 #156

Because Progressives are welcome on DU? L0oniX Jan 2014 #188

Because standing by while the party shifts to the right does it no service. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #223

^^ This. n/t winter is coming Jan 2014 #385

Not all Democratic Party members are Democrats PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #108

And so is party disloyalty, and so are a number of unmentionable intentions. ucrdem Jan 2014 #111

This idea of party loyalty is very big with your crowd, isn't it? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #182

The Dem Party is the only thing standing between us and total devastation rusty fender Jan 2014 #118

According to the OP, billh58 Jan 2014 #134

The Democratic party has been acting like the Republican party.. AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #150

Fuck Ron Paul! nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #120

^^ thread win ^^ ucrdem Jan 2014 #123

Ew. Really? 127 year-old creationists are your thing? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #124

Apparently...they are yours. I note you aren't blog flogging today...What gives? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #126

Oh, he is billh58 Jan 2014 #129

Wow....the Clenis envy shines right through. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #131

Seriously though... Why do you keep reading? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #135

LOL! billh58 Jan 2014 #142

Nope. Is criticism of the drone war and 4th Amendment violations not allowed on DU? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #130

Your stuff is a scream.....the Clinton fantasy you posted upthread is so cringingly awkward msanthrope Jan 2014 #136

So you continually read things you don't like, but you do it ironically. Ok. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #139

WTF? OilemFirchen Jan 2014 #216

Nailed it... SidDithers Jan 2014 #244

All you have to do is glance at the names high fiving this thread to know that it is a MASSIVE Number23 Jan 2014 #253

You should read the Sotomayor thread for great moments in asshattery.....truly. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #254

Two things... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #270

Some familiar, billh58 Jan 2014 #260

Like a primitive reflex. woo me with science Jan 2014 #339

I'm only quoting EarlG ....... msanthrope Jan 2014 #344

REALLY? You are back for the third time? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #346

Is that something you would write to a man? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #354

I know crazy cat men. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #356

My...that was rather defensive. I am now a crazy cat woman? Thank you for the msanthrope Jan 2014 #360

Well, I can vouch for the crazy part. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #368

Calling another DUer 'crazy' is a slur against people who have mental health issues....it is msanthrope Jan 2014 #376

Is freakishly obsessive okay? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #386

I mean, I want to use whatever term is proper and not offensive to you... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #387

If this is what your political philosophy offers women, I think you've done the Democratic msanthrope Jan 2014 #389

Sigh. Okay, I'll bite. I'll hate myself. But okay... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #390

Oh no..I'm not stopping this train. Please proceed, Paul. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #391

What? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #392

That was just sad. nt woo me with science Jan 2014 #347

But kind of awesome too. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #349

I suspect it's contractual obligation... woo me with science Jan 2014 #355

If you think me a paid troll, then why not alert the owners of the site? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #377

Why would I do that? woo me with science Jan 2014 #405

I thought you were taking the Party back? nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #407

You mean by trying to remove your Ron Paul posts? woo me with science Jan 2014 #409

What are you talking about? You've no power to remove a damn thing on this site. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #411

Watching you get het up three words is pretty amusing. Thank you. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #350

It's not a reflex so much as a security blanket. winter is coming Jan 2014 #379

To sum up 2010 wasn't bad enough lets fuck 2014 and the USA with it. Primary if need be Exultant Democracy Jan 2014 #128

Yay, another "stay home" thread... sagat Jan 2014 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jan 2014 #141

Cept nowhere does imply staying home AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #152

THANK YOU. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #155

Please show us exactly where... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #178

And the Corporate Brigade makes post after post predicting a "spoil." woo me with science Jan 2014 #146

+1000 n/t ljm2002 Jan 2014 #179

+1 They know what is coming just as well as we do. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #184

^^^ Excellent ^^^ L0oniX Jan 2014 #189

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Corporate propaganda can NOT attack from the left PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #154

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You're really stretching the definition of "FactBased" aren't you? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #165

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That didn't work. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #168

Thank you so much... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #180

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Corporations attack from the left? OMG LMFAO L0oniX Jan 2014 #190

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speaking of buffoons bobduca Jan 2014 #198

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Also familiar with the term MIRT apparently... n/t bobduca Jan 2014 #200

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Welcome back n/t bobduca Jan 2014 #202

Not voting against Republicans is for idiots only. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #158

I get the OP's point, but yours is the practical position. Squinch Jan 2014 #251

I sympathize with the frustrations with the Democratic party. geek tragedy Jan 2014 #332

My loyalty is to the stance on issues but I am also practical. If there is no chance of a 3rd party jwirr Jan 2014 #163

Loyalty Oaths are ever so democratic. Or, is that Democratic? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #164

I really want both terms to be the same. And I will not give up on that. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #167

Tsk. Tsk. You must think words are supposed to mean something. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #170

Weird, huh? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #174

+10000 See post 217 woo me with science Jan 2014 #266

I'm voting dem if one runs in my district, I don't care what they stand for gwheezie Jan 2014 #186

"I don't care what they stand for"! woo me with science Jan 2014 #207

Good luck with that. Maybe you should Pretzel_Warrior Jan 2014 #194

The 99 percent is being destroyed by corporate/Third Way/Republican collusion. woo me with science Jan 2014 #203

+1000000000000 nt Zorra Jan 2014 #208

The real solution is a grass roots groundswell of voting support for progressives steve2470 Jan 2014 #206

Start at the local level tabbycat31 Jan 2014 #247

For those of you who are still reading, I'd like to double-down on the controversy... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #213

:) woo me with science Jan 2014 #285

I'm glad you liked that... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #286

This message was self-deleted by its author paulbibeau Jan 2014 #286

The whole concept of "loyalty" is corrosive. winter is coming Jan 2014 #217

Very solid point. I wish I'd written it. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #218

^^^^^^^ Superb, important post ^^^^^^^^^ woo me with science Jan 2014 #238

Bravo! nt pecwae Jan 2014 #274

Agreed. +1000 n/t GoneFishin Jan 2014 #383

I don't know in exactly what world you live -- but I live in a solidly Dem town in the middle struggle4progress Jan 2014 #220

You know who else party loyalty is for? Anyone who's accepted the DU Terms of Service. TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #228

Supporting the party requires cleaning it of corruption. woo me with science Jan 2014 #236

Ralphie, is that you? Hekate Jan 2014 #241

ok gotta ask, who's Ralphie ? nt steve2470 Jan 2014 #243

Nader...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #246

ah yea thanks nt steve2470 Jan 2014 #249

Considering the source, I assume Nader. nt truebluegreen Jan 2014 #327

I heart you. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #242

May I ask about your involvement at local level? tabbycat31 Jan 2014 #245

This is what I was trying to get at/nt gwheezie Jan 2014 #256

I wish more of DU were like this tabbycat31 Jan 2014 #263

Good point here. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #273

I worked in VA in 2012 (keep wanting to say last year) tabbycat31 Jan 2014 #334

Really? Agschmid Jan 2014 #250

I'm loyal to whoever isn't attacking my family and other minorities. NCLefty Jan 2014 #264

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #278

Let's focus... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #280

At the risk of being called all sorts of un-Democratical ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #298

And you and I are in the majority in this country, 1SBM. BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #313

I don't think the majority of folks calling for ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #325

How heinous an act would "our side" have to commit before you would object? GoneFishin Jan 2014 #291

On the one hand ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #301

Ron Paul is a lunatic... paulbibeau Jan 2014 #308

We agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #320

No program at all would be infinitely better than blowing up wedding parties and town meetings. n/t GoneFishin Jan 2014 #366

Okay, if that's what you want to believe ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #375

Then you don't understand or care to know about "signature strikes" or "double taps". n/t GoneFishin Jan 2014 #382

Ron Paul again. How predictable...and how sad. woo me with science Jan 2014 #329

Look at the eloquence of the people arguing loyalty to principle vs. the inarticulateness of Party Romulox Jan 2014 #293

I'm glad you think so. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #299

So, do you stay home or vote Repub/other party often? XRubicon Jan 2014 #330

I'm not voting for the pro-drone strike, anti-abortion restriction party. Nice try, though. nt Romulox Jan 2014 #404

Staying home then? XRubicon Jan 2014 #406

Very articulate argument... XRubicon Jan 2014 #414

Party loyalty fadedrose Jan 2014 #294

"Gilded Age version of Skynet" Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #297

God bless you. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #300

Agree Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #306

+1 There are little gems like that all through the thread. woo me with science Jan 2014 #416

I sometimes think all loyalty is bad. ZombieHorde Jan 2014 #303

Party loyalty is for politicians who actually care Progressive dog Jan 2014 #312

Ha! "That's why Jefferson first complained about them and then formed one. " MADem Jan 2014 #317

The inability to recognize clear danger leads to extinction. bluestate10 Jan 2014 #319

Okay. I agree with those three statements. Now what? paulbibeau Jan 2014 #323

Agreed and you are reinforcing the point that the OP is making, so thanks! nt Agony Jan 2014 #341

I especially agree with your caption. I agree with the remainder too, except I would add GoneFishin Jan 2014 #369

Regarding the above Updates, I seem to have all the right people on Ignore. truebluegreen Jan 2014 #326

So you don't advocate staying home and do choose best candidate right? XRubicon Jan 2014 #335

Did your blog traffic go up? Bet you picked up a few Twitter followers too XRubicon Jan 2014 #338

s'ok paulbibeau Jan 2014 #343

You dont have an answer for my question above? XRubicon Jan 2014 #348

When I said "s'ok" I meant, "It's ok." Minor traffic. Some, but not much. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #352

Sorry, look at post 335 XRubicon Jan 2014 #353

Ok. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #358

So your voting record is indistinguishable from a hack, fool or operative? XRubicon Jan 2014 #373

Totally. paulbibeau Jan 2014 #374

Repeating superb post 217 by winter is coming: woo me with science Jan 2014 #365

I like what you said... NCTraveler Jan 2014 #395

Good points bobduca Jan 2014 #433

I think the "loyalists" are extremely important to the party. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #438

"They are the true disruptors" bobduca Jan 2014 #441

I think we are really close on the way we view things. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #442

Thank you. woo me with science Jan 2014 #440

Party loyalty is also for those who want to get things done... Orsino Jan 2014 #399

EJ Dionne has a good editorial on the reemergence of a Democratic left Gothmog Jan 2014 #419

How about Union loyalty? treestar Jan 2014 #447