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In reply to the discussion: Federal judge asks: Why haven’t any top executives been prosecuted for financial crisis? [View all]1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)82. Actually ...
the evidence (the emails) are already discovered and the 1st Amendment argument of "puffery" is making its way through court ... though the 2nd Circuit has already ruled.
You really need to show a conspiracy between the agencies and the financial firms in order to prove the case. A simple showing that the agencies took money from the firms for higher ratings probably would not work.
I don't know ... I seem to recall an email in which a rater-grunt raised a concern about the viability/reliability of their ratings, his management essentially told him that they current and future revenues were based on their willingness to produce positive (inflated) rating ... and that bankers came to them, "negotiating" ratings ... establishing a quid pro quo. It's not a leap to tie the banks and raters into a conspiracy to defraud the end purchaser. Much like, the fraud cases brought by the banks against real estate appraisers and mortgage brokers, where the brokers sought out and paid those appraisers willing to provide inflated appraisals.
The rating is a box to check, but the deal is made on the numbers. The ratings agencies didn't generate the numbers.
This was the holding in the 2nd Circuit case; but many commentators (including the DoJ) are skeptical.
I have a half-formed idea that would be a longshot, but it would have the virtue of being the ultimate hail mary for securities law. My idea is to go after the law firms that issued opinions to shield financial firms from prosecution. Those firms were the necessary conduits for fraud to occur. I'll admit that I'm not quite sure how this would work since I haven't really done the necessary research to find a theory for prosecution. It just occurred to me that the lawyers were integral to every deal and could provide a bulwark against future fraud if they had to face prosecution for this sort of thing.
Novel ... But an opinion is an opinion. The most that can come out of that would be a heck of a mal-practice suit. No?
Its good kicking this around with someone versed in the law. I would love for a bunch of attorney log onto a blog and argue prosecution/litigation strategies with the intent to "discover" viable ways to navigate this minefield. But as with most things, "those talking don't know; and those that know, ain't talking."
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Federal judge asks: Why haven’t any top executives been prosecuted for financial crisis? [View all]
xchrom
Jan 2014
OP
false, wall street is major contributor... there's no law keeping execs from giving money to pacs et
uponit7771
Jan 2014
#25
So the question really is: "why have no civil suits been brought against these bankers?"
Blanks
Jan 2014
#38
I have long been an advocate of not breaking up the banks via legislation ...
1StrongBlackMan
Jan 2014
#53
I disagree with your position regarding the firewall on deposits and increasing capital requirements
TexasTowelie
Jan 2014
#72
It's a shame. One good class action suit victory would probably open the floodgates. eom
Blanks
Jan 2014
#79
Betcha' history will record this failure to prosecute as nonfeasance of mammoth
indepat
Jan 2014
#34
Two things. The uber-class are immune from prosecution if they steal from the lower classes.
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#36
Ever heard the saying, "Justice may be blind, but it can smell money"? n/t
winter is coming
Jan 2014
#42
He should be asking this question of Eric Holder and the Justice Department n/t
markpkessinger
Jan 2014
#45
They lied to their investors and got caught but it was okay because Bush bailed them out.
Spitfire of ATJ
Jan 2014
#46
“My administration,” the president added, “is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.” Obama
jtuck004
Jan 2014
#54
I know, I know!! Corporate Fascism. The corruption runs deep in both parties. nm
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#56
Thanks, but I gotta kinda go easy on those kind of movies. My heart isnt too strong. nm
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#68
Yeah, there is that. But I think I've lost my expectations, so it's not so hard anymore. n/t
jtuck004
Jan 2014
#71
Because, your honor, we have a class of super citizens that are completely above the law
Nanjing to Seoul
Jan 2014
#63