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Duckhunter935

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234. you are the one that keeps bringing guns up

Fri Jan 3, 2014, 06:39 PM

Jan 2014

in a post that has nothing to do about guns. I have not said one word about guns until YOU brought it up trying make me look bad but that has failed miserably. Yes I will talk about firearms. I do not start a topic in GD but in the one forum dedicated to firearms that allows for open discussion. I know when and where to talk about firearms and a thread on a pedestrian traffic fatality seems to me to be the wrong place.

Yes I would say quite obsessed.

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Drivers should have to stop before turning through a crosswalk with a "WALK" signal active [View all] CreekDog Jan 2014 OP

Confused as to what you are saying dbackjon Jan 2014 #1

Not how it works in Boston Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #2

Same in SoCal n/t PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #3

that poster is in Arizona, and they happen there too, poster is just not getting it CreekDog Jan 2014 #5

Correct - but the law states to make the right on red, you have to stop first dbackjon Jan 2014 #15

They don't have a red light Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #19

he's arguing offline that laws don't need to be changed, cars already have to stop for pedestrians.. CreekDog Jan 2014 #24

it's about making a right on green CreekDog Jan 2014 #22

MA state law is that if there's a pedestrian in the crosswalk, you have to stop. MADem Jan 2014 #139

yes, thank you for being the 100th person to point that out CreekDog Jan 2014 #141

Go slow through the crosswalk, and put your lights on! MADem Jan 2014 #144

thanks for being obtuse CreekDog Jan 2014 #150

Well, one way to protect them would be to sentence a bit more harshly. MADem Jan 2014 #168

Actually, I've never seen that MissMillie Jan 2014 #214

When a car has a green signal and is turning through a crosswalk which has a walk signal CreekDog Jan 2014 #4

I think the OP refers to a crosswalk parallel and to the right of the car CBGLuthier Jan 2014 #6

yes, you are correct it's exactly what I'm referring to. CreekDog Jan 2014 #8

here, you'll see what I mean: CreekDog Jan 2014 #7

Here in California minivan2 Jan 2014 #98

That's not the way it is in Colorado either donheld Jan 2014 #182

Impractical. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #9

The solution would be to have both crosswalks active at once mythology Jan 2014 #59

So... the red crossing light would say; "DON'T WALK" and the green one; "RUN LIKE HELL!" nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #63

No, those types of intersections don't say that. Why would you think so, ignorance? CreekDog Jan 2014 #70

I grew up rural, live in the suburbs, and work urban. Jenoch Jan 2014 #75

Traffic engineers have actually implemented the crossing described CreekDog Jan 2014 #142

Traffic engineers probably have analyzed this intersection in the recent past U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #177

try this Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #178

Thanks. That is definitely a high-volume area. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #180

the problem is not specific to that intersection, it's specific to that design CreekDog Jan 2014 #219

Ugh, traffic engineers seattledo Jan 2014 #179

What a load of crap. Oh....wait U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #181

i agree to some extent, but Jenoch was saying we should listen to them CreekDog Jan 2014 #183

I never posted anything like that at all. Jenoch Jan 2014 #189

yes you did, you were playing a game CreekDog Jan 2014 #200

From where did you earn your traffic engineering degree Jenoch Jan 2014 #186

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jan 2014 #188

It's already illegal to not yield to pedestrians. They do have to stop. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #10

*If* they see the pedestrian. What if they don't? CreekDog Jan 2014 #14

Do you mean like a "stop and then proceed" rule for cars going through a green? NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #17

there are 2 possibilities there, so yes, a stop and proceed law would be a start CreekDog Jan 2014 #20

Not to start an argument, but there are lots of stupid pedestrians, cyclists as we'll. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #41

You won't get an argument out of me over those statements. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #44

I had the jogger type run out in front of me at dusk yesterday. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #46

anti environmentalist: "Cars having to stop is a waste of fossil fuel momentum." CreekDog Jan 2014 #73

No, it's true. It's science. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #76

yes, but if it makes walking less safe, how much fuel does that cost us? CreekDog Jan 2014 #78

There are those who constantly look to the next technological or legislative fix... NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #80

so you're saying that 4th St. and Folsom in SF is too costly and complicated to exist? CreekDog Jan 2014 #81

of course you won't argue. you want the cars to keep going as fast as possible. CreekDog Jan 2014 #119

And the oscar for drama queen goes to... Skip Intro Jan 2014 #134

a 6 year old was killed yesterday, everyone chill okay? CreekDog Jan 2014 #135

sad thing Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #145

yes CreekDog Jan 2014 #148

very sad Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #156

those are solutions but people in a crosswalk in the middle of the street CreekDog Jan 2014 #158

"don't even for a moment put it on the pedestrians." Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #163

well problem solved then CreekDog Jan 2014 #165

I have read that link Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #174

"you're a dinosaur" pintobean Jan 2014 #136

your last political post at DU, when was it? CreekDog Jan 2014 #146

You mean, like crosswalk politics? pintobean Jan 2014 #147

advocating for vehicle legislation isn't political? CreekDog Jan 2014 #149

. Skip Intro Jan 2014 #152

Damn dinosaur dirvers! Skip Intro Jan 2014 #151

I have no idea. pintobean Jan 2014 #162

I realize pedestrian fatalities are needless drama to you CreekDog Jan 2014 #202

well what i've posted above is designed to protect legally crossing pedestrians CreekDog Jan 2014 #143

That's a good idea, especially when they're turning from a dedicated turn lane petronius Jan 2014 #11

yes, i like what you're saying here CreekDog Jan 2014 #114

I agree. kcr Jan 2014 #12

yes, that's another problem. CreekDog Jan 2014 #18

It's the same problem with tailgaters. Igel Jan 2014 #27

people should always check to make sure someone isn't crossing and never go so fast JI7 Jan 2014 #13

the problem is they often don't, so the laws probably need to be updated in this case CreekDog Jan 2014 #16

The laws don't need to be changed NV Whino Jan 2014 #21

yes, the laws and/or the signaling and/or the intersection design needs to be changed CreekDog Jan 2014 #23

spent a couple years KT2000 Jan 2014 #25

most drivers don't want a ticket. CreekDog Jan 2014 #26

The law in every state already gives pedestrians the right of way in a cross walk. So how Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #28

In California it IS the law that you have to wait for pedestrians to exit the crosswalk even... Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #29

I said a law requiring stopping before an active walk signal CreekDog Jan 2014 #31

Ok I get it now but I disagree. It would cause even more traffic delays if you HAD to stop Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #34

how fast should cars be rounding the corner than stopping is such a big delay? CreekDog Jan 2014 #36

Then why not remove the light and use stop signs? Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #39

no, I'm not requiring a stop at all times CreekDog Jan 2014 #49

Actually I've advocated for the all walk setup you refer to here CreekDog Jan 2014 #154

How fast? Straw Man Jan 2014 #194

Or without looking while they're on their phone and walking into traffic. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #32

the 6 year old hit with her family while having a walk signal wasn't on her phone CreekDog Jan 2014 #83

No it isn't. The law says you must yield. It doesn't say that you have to wait for them to exit. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #128

Doesn't paragraph (a) say that if pedestrians are within the crosswalk the driver must yield? Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #130

Yield. Note that it doesn't say stop, nor wait until they're out of the crosswalk. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #132

And pedestrians should stop if the Don't Walk light is lit. hobbit709 Jan 2014 #30

i want drivers to stop even if they don't see a pedestrian CreekDog Jan 2014 #35

If your idea were instituted there Jenoch Jan 2014 #33

so you're saying the laws are sufficient to protect pedestrians because motorists need to stop CreekDog Jan 2014 #38

I am suggesting that many roads are not designed for the you are proposing. Jenoch Jan 2014 #48

and what if they don't see the pedestrian? CreekDog Jan 2014 #50

I've always had to slow down to make a turn at Jenoch Jan 2014 #51

It helps if you read my OP before complaining that something I *didn't say* is unworkable CreekDog Jan 2014 #57

Don't you believe that pedestrians at uncontrolled intersections Jenoch Jan 2014 #61

i think you're in over your head CreekDog Jan 2014 #67

awesome idea!!!! I totally agree. Vattel Jan 2014 #37

In drivers ed 50 years ago ... GeorgeGist Jan 2014 #40

and what if you don't see the pedestrians CreekDog Jan 2014 #68

A pedestrian should NEVERE step into a crosswalk without checking for traffic! Jenoch Jan 2014 #93

what if you're in the middle of the intersection? CreekDog Jan 2014 #100

I understand the point you wish to make. Jenoch Jan 2014 #126

no, it wouldn't. CreekDog Jan 2014 #157

I would very much appreciate a link Jenoch Jan 2014 #187

you assume there are pedestrians are in the crosswalk FatBuddy Jan 2014 #196

OK, I thought the law always gives right of way to pedestrians. ananda Jan 2014 #42

yes, but what if intersection design was a problem CreekDog Jan 2014 #85

"...everybody thinks they will have to slow down --they won't,..." Jenoch Jan 2014 #96

because a green signal could be accompanied by a "don't walk signal" CreekDog Jan 2014 #99

If the pedestrian walks on red, Jenoch Jan 2014 #125

They recently retimed the lights geardaddy Jan 2014 #43

yes that is an improvement, it gives pedestrians more visibility CreekDog Jan 2014 #117

Some heavy pedestrian traffic areas have all red lights for vehicles to allow pedestrians to cross. Make7 Jan 2014 #45

Yes, to me that's the best solution, the OP is an alternative where the all-red isn't done CreekDog Jan 2014 #82

How many pedestrians are injured or killed in these types of accidents. madinmaryland Jan 2014 #47

Here, for NYC: CreekDog Jan 2014 #55

it's probably due to pedestrians not paying attention e.g. texting Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #71

how do you know it's probably that? CreekDog Jan 2014 #74

Did you read my link? Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #77

so you're saying that all fatalities are due to texting CreekDog Jan 2014 #87

I give up Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #89

That is overall traffic pedestrian fatalities. To ask once again, how many madinmaryland Jan 2014 #72

why do i need to know how many? CreekDog Jan 2014 #140

Also from the same article: kiva Jan 2014 #84

yes, but what about pedestrians CreekDog Jan 2014 #86

Sorry, I was editing my post to add a line. kiva Jan 2014 #88

thank you. there are just a few of us willing to consider the suggestion here. CreekDog Jan 2014 #102

I DID NOT IMPLY THAT PEOPLE WALKING WERE TEXTING OR NOT PAYING ATTENTION!!!!!! madinmaryland Jan 2014 #129

You seem to be a bit obsessed pintobean Jan 2014 #52

I would say so. pangaia Jan 2014 #62

i really didn't realize that 4 OPs on pedestrian safety in 10 months was excessive CreekDog Jan 2014 #105

so you're saying that 2 posts in May, 1 post in March and now constitutes obsession? CreekDog Jan 2014 #95

And now this one. Yes. pintobean Jan 2014 #107

why don't you ask Skinner whether or not I'm obsessed with this topic CreekDog Jan 2014 #108

That's just weird, dude. pintobean Jan 2014 #109

well you trying to get the RIP Claire post locked was weird CreekDog Jan 2014 #112

It was a press release from a gun control group pintobean Jan 2014 #123

and you wanted that post chewed up in the gungeon CreekDog Jan 2014 #153

Um... there's more than one gun group. pintobean Jan 2014 #159

do you want a medal for not alerting on the other thread for Claire? CreekDog Jan 2014 #160

I'm not a gungeoner pintobean Jan 2014 #164

i didn't call you a gungeoner CreekDog Jan 2014 #167

Pedestrians also need to pay attention alarimer Jan 2014 #53

Here in Ca we have to yield Politicalboi Jan 2014 #54

There is no need for a new traffic law for this situation. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #56

No, there is a need, because every day I cross streets and with walk signals, cars disobey CreekDog Jan 2014 #90

It is by no means hostility. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #106

What good does it do for me to watch when i'm in the middle of the intersection? CreekDog Jan 2014 #110

I never said the solution was to "just look" A HERETIC I AM Jan 2014 #118

" Understand that there is no practical way for a legally crossing pedestrian to pangaia Jan 2014 #58

so you're saying while walking forward in a crosswalk in the middle of the street CreekDog Jan 2014 #64

NO. you just turn and check, more than once if you value your life. pangaia Jan 2014 #65

it's hard actually. I do it frequently and I can't see cars behind me without almost turning around CreekDog Jan 2014 #66

I did not say the pedestrians are in the wrong. pangaia Jan 2014 #69

if the problem is that they aren't doing something, then you are saying they are in the wrong CreekDog Jan 2014 #79

You can turn and check, and then proceed and a car comes whizzing around the corner and hit you. kcr Jan 2014 #91

thank you for posting this. there must be something wrong with me... CreekDog Jan 2014 #92

I know. We can't be the only ones nearly hit by those right turning, pedestrian ignoring maniacs kcr Jan 2014 #94

You know what I think it is? CreekDog Jan 2014 #97

I think at the very least the light should be red for right turn kcr Jan 2014 #101

Slowing down traffic vs. cutting pedestrian deaths. Tough call, that one. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #113

19%, that is astounding. Thank you for the stat Gormy. CreekDog Jan 2014 #115

Maybe if you could accept that someone else just may have a different opinion than you do. pangaia Jan 2014 #190

i do accept contrary opinions, i don't accept them when they are made with BS CreekDog Jan 2014 #220

BS? pangaia Jan 2014 #227

You my friend have mad skills! Egnever Jan 2014 #120

This has been an urban hazard for years. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #60

In most states, the Pedestrian has the right of way. liberal N proud Jan 2014 #103

Blinker on? Turbineguy Jan 2014 #104

illinois you have to stop at any intersection or crosswalk when a pedestrian is present. madrchsod Jan 2014 #111

again, it depends on seeing them CreekDog Jan 2014 #116

I hope the flamewars get better in 2014. rug Jan 2014 #121

+10000 Beaverhausen Jan 2014 #131

Thread WIN!!! madinmaryland Jan 2014 #133

Just change these intersections into "No Right on Red without Green Arrow"... NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #122

That's already the law in WA. You aren't supposed to go into the intersection pnwmom Jan 2014 #124

No, that's not the law in Washington. Can you please READ the OP? CreekDog Jan 2014 #137

That doesn't protect pedestrians at an intersection without a walk signal. pnwmom Jan 2014 #127

it addresses a specific problem I wrote about in the OP CreekDog Jan 2014 #138

pedestrians, especially teenagers, are idiots rickford66 Jan 2014 #155

i don't think the 6 year old killed yesterday in San Francisco was an idiot CreekDog Jan 2014 #161

Either was 86-year-old Zhen Guang Ng Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #166

because the article clearly states the family had a green signal CreekDog Jan 2014 #169

who said I was downplying pedestrian safety? Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #172

I was relating my experience. rickford66 Jan 2014 #170

you assume there was time for them to react to a vehicle coming CreekDog Jan 2014 #171

Yes, I've been lucky. rickford66 Jan 2014 #175

i look every way possible to avoid being hit CreekDog Jan 2014 #184

I agree rickford66 Jan 2014 #195

Seems like an awful lot of people are going out of their way to ignore the point. yewberry Jan 2014 #173

easiest way is to limit Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #176

way to miss the point CreekDog Jan 2014 #185

Do what ever you want Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #191

Look if you want to do to this thread what you do to threads about gun control CreekDog Jan 2014 #197

Well you brought up the gun control group in this thread, I did not Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #204

no, the Gun Control and RKBA group has few members blocked because it's not a safe haven CreekDog Jan 2014 #205

how many of those blocked Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #210

22 were blocked that were later banned by DU CreekDog Jan 2014 #212

and 25 current members are blocked? Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #215

i don't know which of the 25 currently blocked are trolls CreekDog Jan 2014 #217

How does this address my post? yewberry Jan 2014 #201

The OP is insistent upon ONE remedy which may be impractical U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #192

Wrong. I didn't insist on ONE remedy CreekDog Jan 2014 #198

Okay then, name the many remedies you suggested in the OP. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #211

Now you are PM-ing me & talking shit??? U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #223

don't ask for specifics if you're going to claim i said something i didn't CreekDog Jan 2014 #224

So you've got nothing? U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #226

No, I said I'm not going to answer your request until you take back what you said CreekDog Jan 2014 #231

Poor baby. Now I KNOW you have nothing...lol!!! U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #233

i have plenty, you just refuse to read it. ho hum. CreekDog Jan 2014 #237

Your OP insisted on ONE SOLUTION = cars stopping at the "walk" signal. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #241

Yeah, he does that. pintobean Jan 2014 #225

It is frustrating because I am an engineer & I could offer U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #228

the problem is that you only want to look at one particular intersection at a time CreekDog Jan 2014 #242

The problem is that I'm dealing with a low-info DUer with a grudge. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #243

I am not the OP, and the suggested solution may well be impractical. yewberry Jan 2014 #203

You assert something that may or may not be true. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #213

Okaaaay...since you don't want to take my word for it... yewberry Jan 2014 #229

There are a number of issues with that intersection & the surrounding area. U4ikLefty Jan 2014 #236

I think simply Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #193

In my neck of the woods, BobUp Jan 2014 #199

That is the same law Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #218

After reviewing images BobUp Jan 2014 #246

No clue how I have made it this long... NCTraveler Jan 2014 #206

Could it be . . . Brigid Jan 2014 #208

Yes. That is why. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #209

There is a very busy intersection near my home. Brigid Jan 2014 #207

it's a problem and as a pedestrian in this city and others, it's increasing CreekDog Jan 2014 #216

I think is they no longer Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #221

again, you're just being argumentative CreekDog Jan 2014 #222

nope, never badmouthed bicyclists Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #230

ah you're saying i'm obsessed with guns CreekDog Jan 2014 #232

you are the one that keeps bringing guns up Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #234

on the Sandy Hook anniversary you were bringing up guns rather constantly CreekDog Jan 2014 #235

I did not start the thread Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #238

but my reference to guns makes me obsessed with them CreekDog Jan 2014 #239

never tried to limit discussion Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #240

I agree with you Catherine Vincent Jan 2014 #244

to me, the "Walk" signal is misleading to pedestrians when cars have a green CreekDog Jan 2014 #247

Also, Catherine Vincent Jan 2014 #245