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belltower

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20. not who but where

Fri Jan 3, 2014, 09:02 PM

Jan 2014

would we have ended up? You bet Gore would've sent in the troops after 9/11 - he's a hawk from the same school as Cheney, no question about it. And Lieberman of course couldnt resist throwing money at the military. If you don't think we wouldve been in Iraq you don't know who the behind the scenes patrons are.

So yes I agree with Ralph, after many years of being a yellow dog Dem, hardly a hill of beans different. In fact, last election I was so pissed at the Dems I voted 3rd party for the first time.

Oh, you think Gore wouldve focused on climate change? Gee you may have forgotten who pays his bills, the MIC, which sees nothing, absolutely nothing, but OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE POWER in a climate-changed world. I suspect that the current President is just as committed to progressivism as Gore, but the reality he is as hamstrung by the same forces as would have been exerted against Gore.

Bottomline, it was the Supremes who decided this one, not Ralph. Suggest you all stop being so childish on this matter.

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Ralph Nader's Open Letter to former President George W. Bush: "The Country You Destroyed" [View all] HughBeaumont Jan 2014 OP

George Bush doesn't care what Ralph Nader thinks. MADem Jan 2014 #1

"The Real News Network" has a Three Part Interview with Ralph Nader... KoKo Jan 2014 #63

If Ralph Nader hadn't stuck his beak in and MADem Jan 2014 #79

Could you indulge me in writing an open letter of your own to Mr. Nader on this very point? If ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #95

Fuck Nader. Itchinjim Jan 2014 #2

WRONG!!! bluestate10 Jan 2014 #11

+ 1000 ! orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #40

Blame yourself, Ralph. Absent your vanity candidacy, Bush would have lost. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #90

And BTW.. sendero Jan 2014 #134

+1000, Lizzie! catbyte Jan 2014 #148

even though I don't agree your post made me smile Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #143

If he wanted to stop Bush he may have helped us but he didn't Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2014 #69

LOLZ KittyWampus Jan 2014 #3

Nader should have probably addressed this letter to himself. Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #4

No he was not malaise Jan 2014 #5

They were able to because of Nader and his acolytes. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #6

Well if you actually believe in Democracy malaise Jan 2014 #8

Democracy doesn't mean you get to turn off your brain to the reality of your political system. stevenleser Jan 2014 #10

That might be an argument for settling electoral ties in a different fashion, winter is coming Jan 2014 #26

Democracy means that when the system you have isn't working for a majority of the people, the people sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #118

Please point out where the Constitution calls for a "two party system". Scuba Jan 2014 #119

Agreed. Ralph's Ego Trip Made It Possible For The Repugs To Steal Florida Vogon_Glory Jan 2014 #16

Agreed Gothmog Jan 2014 #150

Bullshit. 99Forever Jan 2014 #9

The Supreme Court wouldn't have gotten that choice if not for Nader. nt bluestate10 Jan 2014 #12

as ridiculous as saying belltower Jan 2014 #25

a million times wouldn't suffice G_j Jan 2014 #126

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Jan 2014 #131

Or the fucked up butterfly ballots that gave thousands of Gore votes to Buchanan progressoid Jan 2014 #74

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #31

Factcheck.org is wrong about one part, Gore's team did ask for a statewide recount at the end. stevenleser Jan 2014 #37

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #48

The gigantic error in FactCheck's analysis jeff47 Jan 2014 #53

"The reason Nader got any traction at all is because Gore ran a terrible campaign.. " SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #28

You may have MadashellLynn Jan 2014 #75

I agree 100% and fumed about it real time as well. Total B.S. stevenleser Jan 2014 #85

a hellish host of rabid ducks... grasswire Jan 2014 #94

that is just flat out bs dsc Jan 2014 #76

^^ This. No offense to Gore, but he ran a poor campaign. winter is coming Jan 2014 #125

Funny that Gore himself admits it but the folks here just can't deal.. SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #146

Agreed! MadashellLynn Jan 2014 #32

Fuck you, Ralphie. You made sure that Bush was installed president. madinmaryland Jan 2014 #7

Bullshit. We don't know whether the Nader voters would have turned out at all winter is coming Jan 2014 #13

It was known that it was likely Nader was going to throw the election, before the election Major Nikon Jan 2014 #36

Yes, Nader was in it for Nader, but he didn't "throw the election". winter is coming Jan 2014 #38

Well, the director of the Sierra Club disagreed Major Nikon Jan 2014 #81

Hardly surprising, since he is an asshole. n/t winter is coming Jan 2014 #91

That argument only works if zero Nader voters would have voted for Gore. jeff47 Jan 2014 #55

Or... Gore only needed slightly better turnout. winter is coming Jan 2014 #58

And the most likely result of a non-Nader election jeff47 Jan 2014 #62

You can't "poach" someone else's votes. Votes belong to the voter, not any candidate. winter is coming Jan 2014 #65

Yes, figures of speech are always 100% literal. jeff47 Jan 2014 #124

It's not the figure of speech, but the attitude behind it, that I was decrying. winter is coming Jan 2014 #127

not who but where belltower Jan 2014 #20

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #35

Trolling I'll bet ,But WECOME !!! DocJohnsonSD orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #47

You got Bats in your Belfry !!!! But Welcome orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #42

In no possible way could Gore have been as bad as Bush pitchforx Jan 2014 #54

The major error in your analysis is assuming 9/11 would have happened. jeff47 Jan 2014 #56

Sure belltower Jan 2014 #98

QUICK! CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!!!!!! jeff47 Jan 2014 #122

That's assuming MadashellLynn Jan 2014 #78

Please see my reply at belltower Jan 2014 #101

+1000 regnaD kciN Jan 2014 #113

Like my late dad said on 12/13/2000 PlanetBev Jan 2014 #14

I agree with your Dad . orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #41

I made a vow to punch him in the nose if we ever pitchforx Jan 2014 #44

I lay it squarely on the Supremes. They went where they had no authority to go but went anyway then shraby Jan 2014 #15

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jan 2014 #21

A Royal Scam !!! orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #49

100% correct malaise Jan 2014 #43

And Justice O'Connor now thinks... KansDem Jan 2014 #116

You're killing me Smalls! Hey Ralphie, Denial is more than a River in Egypt! rustydog Jan 2014 #17

Ralph you are to blame too. iandhr Jan 2014 #18

... SidDithers Jan 2014 #19

Did Ralph Nader forget he helped elect Bush by running his go no where election and..... DrewFlorida Jan 2014 #22

Yes, Bush DID Destroy Iraq Leith Jan 2014 #23

Good read, and so true PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #24

Nader must be trying to drum up publicity for his latest book Major Nikon Jan 2014 #27

Great letter. Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #29

I wonder what order of the players gets the blame for the Failure Fuhrer's ascendancy? HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #30

I would add the Lewinsky scandal that was still on the radar of many of the idiotic public. Clinton adirondacker Jan 2014 #80

"Jeb" is short for "John Ellis Bush" jmowreader Jan 2014 #84

Edited. HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #99

Okay folks, answer me this: Who belongs in jail, Bush or Nader? RoccoR5955 Jan 2014 #33

Bush belongs in jail, and Nader should be apologizing for helping pnwmom Jan 2014 #52

I support the non-supporters of Ralph Nader NBachers Jan 2014 #34

While I agree 100% BlackM Jan 2014 #39

Nothing makes me more embarrassed to be liberal than watching liberals trash Nader NoOneMan Jan 2014 #45

The Damage Shrub did was Devastating, Nader was to him.. orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #51

Facts: Perot got 19% of popular vote in 1992. Nader got 2.7% of vote in 2000. NoOneMan Jan 2014 #57

What percent did Shrub beat Gore, Socrates ? FACTS? orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #66

Bush beat Gore by *negative* .5% percent, Plato NoOneMan Jan 2014 #70

Perhaps you should read all of the link you provided. progressoid Jan 2014 #77

Which closes the margin even more ! how are you on comprehension. orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #123

It didn't just close the margin, it eliminated the margin. progressoid Jan 2014 #129

Agreed, and Thank you for the info and Links, Your Right orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #149

so so sorry! pitchforx Jan 2014 #59

There was a time Nader actually believed what he was saying jeff47 Jan 2014 #61

I've honestly never met the man NoOneMan Jan 2014 #72

Why do you believe he doesn't believe what he says what he's saying? KoKo Jan 2014 #73

his raytheon stock probablymade him some cash. nt. dionysus Jan 2014 #83

Because of the fraud jeff47 Jan 2014 #121

Ironically the 'he has a big house' accusation was used against Gore by Republicans Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #133

A lot of people are forgetting that Gore actually WON THE ELECTION bonzaga Jan 2014 #138

Don't go away mad, Ralph. tavernier Jan 2014 #46

Thanks a lot, Nader, for helping to put the creep in office. pnwmom Jan 2014 #50

It's funny that you can't forgive Nader for practicing democracy and agree with him Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #132

Nader had a far greater impact on all our lives than anything Pope Francis has done. pnwmom Jan 2014 #142

Nobody ever blames Monica reddread Jan 2014 #60

Monica Had Nothing to Do with It Leith Jan 2014 #71

nobody ever blames Tennessee reddread Jan 2014 #89

During the impeachment, Bill's approval ratings were higher than Raygun's highest Major Nikon Jan 2014 #86

and during the campaign Gore never mentioned his name reddread Jan 2014 #87

Not surprisingly Major Nikon Jan 2014 #92

No one can deny GWD did a number on this country... Blue Owl Jan 2014 #64

No difference between Bush and Gore BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #67

"Tweedledum and Tweedledee" redqueen Jan 2014 #110

It's like a dinner bell for the 3rd way Nader Haters. Awesome letter, btw and nice donation to the adirondacker Jan 2014 #68

But Gore would have destroyed it equally, eh Ralphie? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #82

Everyone knows Reagan destroyed the country. Drahthaardogs Jan 2014 #88

He's got an awful lot of nerve. redqueen Jan 2014 #93

"This depraved indifference to Republican rule" bluestate10 Jan 2014 #111

When I saw the title, I thought Nader was talking about the United States of America. calimary Jan 2014 #96

Dic he cc himself? nt BlueToTheBone Jan 2014 #97

This is precisely why I posted this without comment. HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #100

Well Stated! nt adirondacker Jan 2014 #108

well-stated indeed. I remember groaning in agony when Gore picked that Nay Jan 2014 #144

Nader should'a never picked Lieberman for his running mate...oh, wait.. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #102

People seriously overlook Lieberturd's role in the 2000 debacle. HughBeaumont Jan 2014 #103

Or, Gore's failure to convince the left to vote for him. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #106

Bwahahahaaa. progressoid Jan 2014 #130

excellent letter.... mike_c Jan 2014 #104

"The country I helped you destroy" would be more apt. nt geek tragedy Jan 2014 #105

Ralph, the president you helped select. nt longship Jan 2014 #107

as we can ascertain by the responses--he's 2000's Snowden... MisterP Jan 2014 #109

George W. Bush owes Nader a lot Zambero Jan 2014 #112

I waited and waited every day in the 2000 campaign for Nader to drop out and endorse Gore bluestateguy Jan 2014 #114

Uh oh, someone mentioned Ralph Nader. NaturalHigh Jan 2014 #115

since he must take most of the blame for the reign of error, where the fuck was he DURING georgee??? pansypoo53219 Jan 2014 #117

Nobody ever blames Joe Biden, but it is completely his fault reddread Jan 2014 #120

it should have been titled - you're welcome. nt arely staircase Jan 2014 #128

Good job Ralph! He did destroy it didn't he? Rex Jan 2014 #135

Irregardless of him taking votes ...he does say some interesting things worth thinking about. L0oniX Jan 2014 #136

K&R The letter is true. woo me with science Jan 2014 #137

It was a loyalty test for Democrats and many failed it. kentuck Jan 2014 #139

I don't believe in loyalty tests... NaturalHigh Jan 2014 #141

Nader needs to ask his doctor for some irony supplements. 11 Bravo Jan 2014 #140

a POEM for George W Bush Martin Eden Jan 2014 #145

Is there any doubt now that CommonDreams is a third party mouthpiece? great white snark Jan 2014 #147

Nader remains a jerk who is denial Gothmog Jan 2014 #151

This is as close to an apology as we will get. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #152