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billh58

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74. The arguments about

Fri Jan 3, 2014, 08:09 PM

Jan 2014

what the Founders had in mind when they wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights have little to do with the evolution and reality of American Society. That is a Tea Bagger right-wing argument.

Most of the Founders were slave owners, their wives and daughters were second class citizens, and duels to the death over "honor" were common place. Times have changed and those social inequities have been overcome for the most part. The national health menace caused by the obscene proliferation of guns, and the lax oversight of the ownership and usage of guns can, and must, be addressed.

Thankfully, public opinion is changing and sane gun control legislation will happen eventually. Appointing additional Liberal Supreme Court Justices will speed up the process.

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Man deemed criminally insane arrested with van full of guns [View all] Fuddnik Jan 2014 OP

Yes it does, as well as failure of our lax gun laws and failure to control gun accumulators. Hoyt Jan 2014 #1

the gun advocates haven't said that the amount of regulation they approve of will... CreekDog Jan 2014 #20

If you say so. The advocates I know would have never have let this man into the public again. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #23

you're very sly...you're saying there shouldn't be gun laws regarding the criminally insane CreekDog Jan 2014 #26

There certainly should be laws to keep guns from the criminally insane. But violent offenders.... NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #38

i think the larger issue is why gungeoners like yourself don't want this topic discussed here CreekDog Jan 2014 #41

Hey, if Skinner decides to open up GD to guns again, that's fine with me. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #42

not only did you state that you thought the OP was biased, you stated it as a reason to lock it. CreekDog Jan 2014 #45

Like I said, I was mistaken about bias, I don't think there is one. This guy was a gun nut!!!! NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #48

Maybe the word gun is referred to in order to avoid stuff like this: CreekDog Jan 2014 #49

It's almost like Godwin's Law. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #50

i think that post, within 48 hours of Newtown shows where your values are CreekDog Jan 2014 #51

I'm sorry that all of this bothers you as much as it apparently does, CreekDog. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #52

that post in the wake of Newtown was not about your hopes for "sensible gun laws" CreekDog Jan 2014 #53

Newtown. Here's a very thoughtful slideshow with a picture and little bit about each victim. NYC_SKP Jan 2014 #54

and on that day you were asking Skinner when gun threads would be disallowed once again CreekDog Jan 2014 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Jan 2014 #44

How does a criminally insane person get released, never mind get THREE dozen fireams? rocktivity Jan 2014 #2

I would say at this point he isn't insane.... Historic NY Jan 2014 #4

He has to be crazy. Fuddnik Jan 2014 #8

Got snagged in Lawtey 35 yrs ago -- and beat the rap! Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #15

There is a very big gap in the system between ManiacJoe Jan 2014 #10

Headline made me think of Glenn Beck Kennah Jan 2014 #3

Hey, you never know when some nut will cut you off in traffic. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2014 #5

Cops are lucky he didn't malaise Jan 2014 #6

criminally insane gun seller lunasun Jan 2014 #7

That's so scary ailsagirl Jan 2014 #9

Close to the University of Florida shenmue Jan 2014 #11

But...Jefferson, or Madison, or somebody said nutcases with vans full of guns are all that stands TrollBuster9090 Jan 2014 #12

You can read that billh58 Jan 2014 #13

Link? seveneyes Jan 2014 #21

I'd like to see a link to that, got one? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #28

Yes, I've run into that, too. Right here on DU. I don't have the link (like others are requesting) TrollBuster9090 Jan 2014 #73

The arguments about billh58 Jan 2014 #74

Absolutely. The Founders were slave owners, who didn't think women or people of color should vote, TrollBuster9090 Jan 2014 #75

5/10- Two planted axioms and grandstanding friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #77

Yes! The Fabulist Papers! (nt) reACTIONary Jan 2014 #17

ROFL... alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #30

Florida. Freedumbs. Liberty. Rights. Mendments. USA! USA! valerief Jan 2014 #14

There was a warrant out for him in Florida. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Jan 2014 #16

this thread has been alerted as off-topic by several gungeoners CreekDog Jan 2014 #18

So what? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #32

just a coincidence that gungeoners alerted on this one? CreekDog Jan 2014 #35

Still flogging that dead horse? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #36

I've never alerted on any gun fancier's post, no matter how callous, sick and disgusting. Hoyt Jan 2014 #37

You welcome such posts in GD because you've been blocked from Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #39

Nope, I welcomed such GD posts long before I hurt Gungeoneers' feelings and got blocked. Hoyt Jan 2014 #40

You are a gem. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #43

I see little reason to post "seriously" to folks who need a gun or two to venture out Hoyt Jan 2014 #46

As I said, you are the gift that keeps on giving to the pro 2A movement. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #47

Got 'planted axiom'? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #70

Nope, it is obvious to anyone not steeped in gunz. Get rid of yours, then look at gun fanciers. Hoyt Jan 2014 #71

I don't own any guns, which illustrates my point friendly_iconoclast Jan 2014 #72

Much as the instance related in the OP is the gift the the pro 2a gives back... LanternWaste Jan 2014 #66

I agree that there are idiots on both sides of the equation. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #68

It would be interesting to find out how and where he was able to get them Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #19

That's what I'd like to see too. Of course, gun culture has long thrown road blocks into tracking Hoyt Jan 2014 #22

Why track them back to the origional owners? oneshooter Jan 2014 #24

Nah, just go back one step and see who sold them to the crazy gun-fucker. Iggo Jan 2014 #29

My question was why would you want to track back to the original owner? oneshooter Jan 2014 #31

And I'm agreeing with you that going back to the original owner doesn't make sense. Iggo Jan 2014 #33

Just like to see how many interim owners sold them in back alley for fistful of cash. Hoyt Jan 2014 #34

You sure do have a lot of might have beens in that post Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #56

You mean like some gun fancier who straps on a gun in the highly unlikely event Hoyt Jan 2014 #57

I agree that it should be investigated how he got the guns Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #58

I expected that, seeing as you are a Gungeon regular. Hoyt Jan 2014 #59

This is the second time you have said this. I challenge you to find even 5 posts I have made there Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #60

that and NRA talking points Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #61

I assume you mean he will accuse me of using NRA talking points Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #69

correct but that does not matter Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #76

Yeah! Go Nuts Racists Assholes! lonestarnot Jan 2014 #25

"Gun nut" already has meaning. Iggo Jan 2014 #27

Does the number of guns really matter? thesquanderer Jan 2014 #55

depends on the state and local regulations Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #63

Clearly mentally ill. NCTraveler Jan 2014 #62

Is his last name Zimmerman? Myrina Jan 2014 #65