White House announces two new 'executive actions' on guns

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55. Most murders are not committed by crazy people.

My concern is we get talked into a mental illness registry but god forbid we register guns, by registering the mentally ill, that would give the pro give a gun to everyone faction the argument that we don't need background checks for every type of gun transaction, just make a list of the mentally ill.
Each state has their own mental health laws, I've worked in 4 different states, most of the laws are about the same. Here is the problem in Virginia for instance. After VT and Cho the mental health laws were changed, we can now commit to outpatient treatment. The budget for this expansion was supposed to hire more case managers, it didn't. I've seen very few people take that avenue. Also, people who are mentally ill do not display symptoms all the time that are obvious, so if you are privately selling your gun, you yourself do not have some sort of detection system that determines who is mentally ill, if you believe you possess that, you are mentally ill. There is also the lack of beds and the limitations of eco's and tdo's.
Every commitment hearing I've been to has an attorney representing the rights of the patient. You can appeal your commitment and there is a mechanism to restore gun rights. I've worked with psychiatrists who have testified in restoration of gun rights hearings. Not many will do it, huge liability.
I've also had patients who were able to obtain weapons legally since they were not required background checks due to type of weapon or bought them privately, who were stable and able to reality test on discharge, leave treatment and after a few months wind up killing folks.
But mostly I have seen the chronically seriously mentally ill victimized more than anything.