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In reply to the discussion: Why "fun feminism" should be consigned to the rubbish bin [View all]MicaelS
(8,747 posts)185. Here's a black woman speaking about First and Second Wave Feminism...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/sophia33/obama-ferraro-race-flap-r_n_91047_11933183.html
It amplifies what you stated.
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It amplifies what you stated.
Full post at link.
What Geraldine Ferraro did this week was no different than what too many white feminists have done to people of color for centuries in this country. When Ida B. Wells, a black feminist who also fought against lynching in the south, went to Alice Paul excited about joining the suffrage movement, Paul told Wells that her (Wells) participation in the suffrage movement would muddy the waters for women to get the right to vote. Essentially, because blacks did not have the right to vote, the white feminists did not want the black feminists to join with them because it would raise the issue of ALL blacks having the right to vote. One only need to read the writings of Paula Giddings and bell hooks or the essays of Angela Davis or Alice Walker to see how white women in the women's rights movement all but ignored the issues faced by women of color.
Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique is still heralded as having paved the way for contemporary feminist movement - it was written as if these women [the poor and women of color] did not exist. Friedan's famous phrase, "the problem that has no name," often quoted to describe the condition of women in this society, actually referred to the plight of a select group of college-educated, middle and upper class, married white women - housewives bored with leisure, with the home, with the children, with buying products, who wanted more out of life. Friedan concludes her first chapter by stating, "We can no longer ignore that voice within women that says: 'I want something more than my husband and my children and my house." That "more" she defined as careers. She did not discuss who would be called in to take care of the children and maintain the home if more women like herself were freed from their house labor and given equal access with white men to the professions. She did not speak to the needs of women without men, without children, without homes. She ignored the existence of all non-white women and poor women. She did not tell readers whether it was more fulfilling to be a maid, a babysitter, a factory worker, a clerk, or a prostitute, then to be a leisure class housewife.
She made her plight and the plight of white women like herself synonymous with a condition affecting all American women. In so doing, she deflected attention away from her classism, her racism, her sexist attitudes towards the masses of American women. In the context of her book, Friedan makes clear that the women she saw as victimized by sexism were college-educated, white women who were compelled by sexist conditioning to remain in the home...
Specific problems and dilemmas of leisure class white house-wives were real concerns that merited consideration and change but they were not the pressing political concerns of the masses of women. Masses of women were concerned about economic survival, ethnic and racial discrimination, etc.
Betty Friedan's The Feminine Mystique is still heralded as having paved the way for contemporary feminist movement - it was written as if these women [the poor and women of color] did not exist. Friedan's famous phrase, "the problem that has no name," often quoted to describe the condition of women in this society, actually referred to the plight of a select group of college-educated, middle and upper class, married white women - housewives bored with leisure, with the home, with the children, with buying products, who wanted more out of life. Friedan concludes her first chapter by stating, "We can no longer ignore that voice within women that says: 'I want something more than my husband and my children and my house." That "more" she defined as careers. She did not discuss who would be called in to take care of the children and maintain the home if more women like herself were freed from their house labor and given equal access with white men to the professions. She did not speak to the needs of women without men, without children, without homes. She ignored the existence of all non-white women and poor women. She did not tell readers whether it was more fulfilling to be a maid, a babysitter, a factory worker, a clerk, or a prostitute, then to be a leisure class housewife.
She made her plight and the plight of white women like herself synonymous with a condition affecting all American women. In so doing, she deflected attention away from her classism, her racism, her sexist attitudes towards the masses of American women. In the context of her book, Friedan makes clear that the women she saw as victimized by sexism were college-educated, white women who were compelled by sexist conditioning to remain in the home...
Specific problems and dilemmas of leisure class white house-wives were real concerns that merited consideration and change but they were not the pressing political concerns of the masses of women. Masses of women were concerned about economic survival, ethnic and racial discrimination, etc.
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It's shame that you can't cross link a post to a specific group though.
Old and In the Way
Mar 2012
#133
I don't get that. There are lots of men that are far more supportive of feminist ideals then some
Jennicut
Mar 2012
#7
my husband was an unwavering supporter of Hillary Clinton in 08. He persuaded me that I
CTyankee
Mar 2012
#101
I would expand on that... the patriarchal system makes finding a mate even harder!
tech_smythe
Mar 2012
#244
I don't think you could transplant today's 3rd wavers into the culture 30-40 years ago
Old and In the Way
Mar 2012
#97
You may be Old and In the Way but I'm pretty sure you're not old enough to remember the 1st wavers
Gormy Cuss
Mar 2012
#134
Actually, back in the late 60's, I was very focused on wave theories.
Old and In the Way
Mar 2012
#144
You mean the sort of angry militancy that tells hetero women they can't be feminists if they're
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2012
#235
i had to go back and read the article, because i did not hear her say any of that.
seabeyond
Mar 2012
#17
Forget interpretation, did you find the overall tone to be positive and welcoming?
Ruby the Liberal
Mar 2012
#31
traditional views of women and feminists themselves... much softer, appealing yet powerful force.
seabeyond
Mar 2012
#131
What? Blacks get to express hatred of white oppression and still get good corporate jobs? Really?
saras
Mar 2012
#216
Radical feminists locate the root cause of women's oppression in patriarchal gender relations
seabeyond
Mar 2012
#29
So you feel that the article, being not radical, represents mainstream acceptable 2012 feminism?
Ruby the Liberal
Mar 2012
#34
There is - first of all, look at the undeniable fact that women are not paid equal to men.
chrisa
Mar 2012
#197
"...is the struggle for equal rights between men and women. Not for men. Men already have more..."
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2012
#126
we are multi task oriented and falls under human rights and equality. i dont think it is tough
seabeyond
Mar 2012
#128
It wasn't my intent to criticize and yes. You ARE the one who speaks up.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2012
#166
"Consistent" I think this word means something other than what you think it means.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2012
#178
I was replying to your response to me, where I was speaking originally of this quote:
boston bean
Mar 2012
#83
I wrote "Replace it with Equality" - as in replace the patriarchy with Equality, not a Matriarchy..
boston bean
Mar 2012
#85
Last I heard, the generally used definition of feminism was "equality for women".
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2012
#122
It is amazing that almost every post I click on has a reply from you. You are crazy great.
HangOnKids
Mar 2012
#102
No, it isn't a promotion of 2nd wave feminism. It's a promotion of Bindel's curious and twisted take
Gormy Cuss
Mar 2012
#153
The more I see, the more I'm convinced it's religious fundamentalism oozing out in a different form.
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2012
#236
Yep. Spot on. "Puritanism is the nagging feeling that someone, somewhere, might be happy"
Taverner
Mar 2012
#157
It started with Girl Power and has sunk into mindless hedonism. Why has sexual equality backfired?
seabeyond
Mar 2012
#160
Isn't calling a woman or group of women "hedonist" a form of an attempt at slut-shaming?
stevenleser
Mar 2012
#201
The thing is, have 50 and 60-somethings EVER wrote about 20something trends and approved?
Warren DeMontague
Mar 2012
#266
It's posts like this that make visiting DU every day a very worthy experience!
bullwinkle428
Mar 2012
#176
It's hard to take anything she says seriously knowing her bigotry toward Transgendered people
stevenleser
Mar 2012
#203
maybe it is not about her believing that it is a reality. maybe it is making a point.
seabeyond
Mar 2012
#264
i get the concept. i played it, too. i think we clearly show an example how the power was not
seabeyond
Mar 2012
#167
I'm afraid that these examples are the end results of the oversexualization of our kids
librechik
Mar 2012
#187
i appreciate you taking account past posts. i value when a poster is able to do that
seabeyond
Mar 2012
#260
Article starts with a failed premise: "If your brand of feminism seems good to men, its bad"
stevenleser
Mar 2012
#195
the author has a few good points but its clouded by her desire to denigrate women
La Lioness Priyanka
Mar 2012
#230
The "radical" feminism I encountered on DU has made me lose a lot of sympathy for feminists...
DutchLiberal
Mar 2012
#237
The author of the posted article is a hater of transsexual people and in general a self
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2012
#241
NEWS FLASH: A 180-degree total inversion of humankind will never, ever happen.
dogknob
Mar 2012
#258