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Showing Original Post only (View all)"Woo Wars" - What is "Woo"? [View all]
I posted this in another thread, and since we have another round of "I hate woo because..." going, I thought this might help.
What is Woo? Charitably,
"Woo" is generally anything that has not gone through rigorous scientific testing and stringent peer reviewed studies. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024188166
I later expanded on this theme with this -
As I said, charitable definition - here on DU it is regularly used as an insulting or disparaging way to condescend, minimize, sneer, or otherwise belittle others, frequently under the guise of assuming anyone who does not hold a golden ticket to the hallowed halls of "science done correctly" is ignorant, uneducated, gullible, prone to fantasy or delusion, mentally inferior, and/or a danger to society.
"Woo" has been identified by the sacred cabal of "we're right and you're wrong so neener neener" as including such topics as nutrition (unless it is from a reputable journal, of course), vitamin and mineral supplementation, aromatherapy, acupuncture, herbal medicine, folk medicine, apple cider vinegar proponents, and anyone who insists they achieved a positive outcome without benefit of the miracle of modern medicine or pharmacology. To put forth such a view (or even talk about any of these topics without snorting at the sheep who waste their money while destroying civilization by disrespecting Real Science) is to be a proponent of "Woo" meaning you will never need to be listened to by these Good People Ever Again because if you try to convince them you know what you are talking about, you are a snake-oil salesman, if you use your own experience, it is because you don't understand why it is "anecdotal" and if you discuss someone other than yourself, it is because you don't understand how Real Science Works.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024205471
The "woo wars" are annoying. Honestly, I believe (as I have detailed in other posts) that they are simply a continuation of the "herbal midwife versus city doctor" war that has been going on for hundreds of years - the disparagement of "old wives tale" is pretty obvious.
I am a "whatever works" person; my family doesn't always eat nutritionally ideal meals so we take some basic vitamins and minerals regularly, and my premature infants were born micronutrient deficient which early intervention supplementation resolved. A lingering cough from a nasty cold seems to be resolving within a few hours of taking some "wild cherry bark syrup with echinacea." And we still took my mother-in-law to a real physician when we thought stitches were in order when she accidentally cut her finger.
I am going to continue to advocate for "woo" in my little corner of the world, and while I understand the joy of feeling superior to fools, I would personally appreciate it if the "anti-woo" would understand that, instead of strengthening their positions by insulting the reports we make, a more appropriate "scientific" response would be - "that is interesting; I wonder why that happened for you?"
The world is a magical place, and we all have a lot to learn.
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"When code doesn't behave as expected, the first question is WHY?" Complete non-sense
Ohio Joe
Jan 2014
#35
Is it okay that there is so much harmful stuff in ''medicine", enough to cause death in some cases
sabrina 1
Jan 2014
#133
There seems to be a small group here in DU that think that they are our saviors from woo and CT.
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#136
in most cases...no. things like natural medicine have been proven either scientifically effective
Pretzel_Warrior
Jan 2014
#150
OK, if you trash woo threads instead of trying to decide for the rest of us what to read. nm
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#34
Or, some GD Hosts could recognize that "no conspiracy theories" includes medical woo...
SidDithers
Jan 2014
#37
You seem to think that your definitions and interpretations can not be questioned .
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#137
Obviously. Why would you respect those that dont agree with. That would be too liberal. nm
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#156
You seem to think that your definitions and interpretations can not be questioned
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#159
No. I save my disdain for Hosts who completely abdicate their responsibility...
SidDithers
Jan 2014
#160
I admit that I would rather error on the side of openness and not on the side of censorship.
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#168
and how many people die, or suffer permanent, debilitating side effects, from scientifically created
niyad
Jan 2014
#93
When that happens, its malpractice, but its standard with "alternative" medicine...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#21
"Science always looks like magic to the ignorant."... And yet it is still science
Ohio Joe
Jan 2014
#17
Please provide an example of a treatment that many claim to be effective, but that scientists...
eqfan592
Jan 2014
#18
even understanding how a rainbow is created does not take away from its beaut, and the joy of seeing
AlbertCat
Jan 2014
#81
In the English language, 'woo' is a verb meaning 'to seek the affection of another with romantic
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2014
#5
And somehow you think that is done unintentionally. THAT is the funniest part I think. ;) nt
eqfan592
Jan 2014
#22
"...real medicine is based on and got its start, with what is now called Woo." No it didn't...
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#85
I guess it was too much to ask that you might actually read the article.
Starry Messenger
Jan 2014
#131
I did, but you would have to read my post to get the answers to the questions you ask.
RC
Jan 2014
#155
Actually, the studies specifically state that this is NOT applicable to people with deficiencies.
progressoid
Jan 2014
#42
Wow. I've got to tell you, this sort of statement makes me doubt your other claims.
Marr
Jan 2014
#67
remember that half the people on the planet are women who have been advised to supplement with folic
AlbertCat
Jan 2014
#82
'Woo' is a term used by the man who literally wrote the book on Big Pharma
muriel_volestrangler
Jan 2014
#43
The Miracle of Modern Medicine gave me 6 months to live, tops, over 8 years ago.
Shandris
Jan 2014
#49
I'm all about the scientific method, and have practically no faith in any alternative treatments,
Sheldon Cooper
Jan 2014
#54
dead-end materialist "explanations" while trashing and deriding the natural realms
AlbertCat
Jan 2014
#94
Wow that's a grand conspiracy you concocted there, and vitamin C can cure cancer?
Humanist_Activist
Jan 2014
#91
Well stated. Been thinking along the same lines lately. The word 'woo' seems to have become a tool
gtar100
Jan 2014
#80
I trust the rigorous scientific process and peer review than I do the opinion of herbalists.
Vashta Nerada
Jan 2014
#83
The problem with saying "whatever works" is defining what it means for something to "work".
Silent3
Jan 2014
#95
Well said. Research and education are always evolving, there is far more to the universe
mother earth
Jan 2014
#104
Science does indeed adapt to new knowledge, and absolutely science is ultimately self-correcting,
mother earth
Jan 2014
#180