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NutmegYankee

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66. There is no requirement that you be a member of a militia.

Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:05 PM

Jan 2014

Militias were not provided arms and were formed from the civilian population. I.E., the civilian population already had to have the firearms.

In a more modern take on your idea, you will be in violation of multiple statues including the ADA. Say someone was hit in a motor vehicle and paralyzed, they then lose their firearms as punishment because they can't walk? Barbaric and evil. There are also disabled persons participating in Paralympic shooting events, including one class specifically for blind people (the sights seek sound emitting targets). Beyond that, the whole concept discriminates based on age, as older adults can't maintain that kind of activity. I know several men in their 70s who hunt. They go slow, and need a hand carrying the deer back on occasion, but otherwise can continue their pastime.

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drunk so early? spanone Jan 2014 #220

Bush eliminated the 4th amendment so why not the 2nd? nt TeamPooka Jan 2014 #258

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While we are at it.. sendero Jan 2014 #9

"Hope and Change" baby, hope and change.... n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #10

You might be surprised.... paleotn Jan 2014 #52

Yeah, go ahead and hang your hat on that happening. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #60

Actually, if you look at demographics, we really should hang our hat on it, so to speak... CTyankee Jan 2014 #186

And yet. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #190

well, that's one poll of 846 adults nationwide... CTyankee Jan 2014 #200

another Poll: Support for strict gun control drops to pre-Newtown levels Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #202

"Only" 52%? CTyankee Jan 2014 #205

and some try and link all gun owners into the 8% Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #208

And therein lies the problem with the pro control movement. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #214

Yes, most people are not as wrought up on gun control as the pro movemen in this country. CTyankee Jan 2014 #227

You make a good point, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #232

A telephone poll, maybe. Other types of scientifically done anonymous polls is a different story... CTyankee Jan 2014 #235

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I admire your naivete Android3.14 Jan 2014 #134

A feel bad for your lack of a vision for a better future. n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #145

I could only support that vision... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #183

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Well then, y'all need to get right on it, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #105

Why would it? treestar Jan 2014 #113

Does the word "pipe dream" come to mind? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #118

Someday it could happen. treestar Jan 2014 #128

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I might, in spite of the attempts to make it seem hopeless. treestar Jan 2014 #152

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What do you mean cower away? treestar Jan 2014 #159

Even if a repeal of the 2nd Am happend, what do you suppose that would accomplish? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #144

It would make some regulation easier treestar Jan 2014 #153

Perhaps so. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #160

What about state constitutions? hack89 Jan 2014 #297

Slavery was also legal for a long time in this nation. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #138

And slavery was an abomination, unlike firearms ownership. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #140

The comparison was that things today can change treestar Jan 2014 #157

I brought up constitutional legalities. You bring up deaths. Why is thar? Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #182

Not again! Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #187

"I am shocked." Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #193

The Third Amendment sarisataka Jan 2014 #222

You need to read this. Jenoch Jan 2014 #259

That's even worse Sgent Jan 2014 #250

How many should it be? Jenoch Jan 2014 #260

That's a different issue Sgent Jan 2014 #266

You need to read up on why The Constitution Jenoch Jan 2014 #269

I'm very familiar with history Sgent Jan 2014 #278

"...California has 65x the population of Wyoming." Jenoch Jan 2014 #279

I never said it would pass Sgent Jan 2014 #286

The point we disagree on that you think small Jenoch Jan 2014 #287

Urban areas. Jacksonville, Houston, Atlanta, SA, Dallas, Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #275

I think edhopper Jan 2014 #11

People constantly misread that, usually on purpose NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #46

So he opposed a draft as well edhopper Jan 2014 #151

Nice red herring. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #155

Meant that as a giggle and forgot the smiley edhopper Jan 2014 #164

You made assumptions, incorrect I may add, in the other post. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #172

I wasn't referring to you edhopper Jan 2014 #176

There has never been a single poll, pipoman Jan 2014 #12

Considering it takes 2/3 of both Houses of Congress and 3/4 of states Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #31

Actually, one more SC Justice like those who wrote Dissent in Heller will bring some sanity to Hoyt Jan 2014 #56

Yeah Hoyt, you just hang your hat on that happening. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #58

Right wingers overturned "settled law" in Heller. Hoyt Jan 2014 #62

Uhhh, no they didn't. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #65

McDonald v. Chicago Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #69

That too. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #74

"I really wish certain people would research before posting" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #161

Very true, very true. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #165

You guys need to do research - Heller overturned precedent set in United States v. Miller, 1939. Hoyt Jan 2014 #210

As usual Hoyt, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #216

This message was self-deleted by its author Hoyt Jan 2014 #224

Considering these rulings affect my profession, I have to keep up Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #228

Yeah sure. Do your supervisors know you are a gun promoter? Hoyt Jan 2014 #246

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #247

Seriously, Renchamp, I don't alert on posts here and wouldn't call your sup. I'd delete that if I Hoyt Jan 2014 #251

#1. I'm not promoting guns, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #253

Can you link to a post Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #248

Here is the contact number for the immediate office I work out of. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #252

You keep talking about other people's fear and yet you remain in a constant Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #290

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More racist lies. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #293

Gun woo? Now there's gun woo? Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #295

The old 'emotion' thingy eh? Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #189

*sigh* Another poster thinks that rights are *granted* by the bill of rights. X_Digger Jan 2014 #59

Don't they teach civics in schools anymore? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #61

I'm not sure that much is taught in schools today ... spin Jan 2014 #209

Uh? There is no pre-existing right to keep and bear arms. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #85

goes back as far as man Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #91

facepalm PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #94

Walk through an industrial farm's slaughter house in full production. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #139

Personally PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #149

You did not provide your Thoughts on the fact Jenoch Jan 2014 #262

They need to go to PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #264

As long as you're not asking for much... Jenoch Jan 2014 #265

You don't carry a weapon... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #274

You are wrong. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #280

You are adorable... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #285

Various court cases in the 18th and 19th centuries. X_Digger Jan 2014 #96

Aren't the state National Guard essentially a "well regulated militia" CanonRay Jan 2014 #115

Who supplies the weapons they use for training and when they get deployed? PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #120

44 states also have 2A rights in their state constitutions NickB79 Jan 2014 #288

That's kinda like pintobean Jan 2014 #14

It is about journalism and politics. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #15

Is that what you're shoveling pintobean Jan 2014 #32

Running today in both the NYT and the Boston Globe. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #70

My "precious gunz"? pintobean Jan 2014 #88

The times sold the globe and never had editorial control. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #92

Please delete that. Union Scribe Jan 2014 #277

Not to mention, he proceeds to vote on an alert on his own thread. X_Digger Jan 2014 #282

" It is about journalism and politics." Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #36

Gun manufacturers are not the "pro 2A movement", or are they? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #72

They're about making a profit and satisfying their investors, stock holders, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #77

Right, so this is primarily about corporate control of media and the squelching of dissent Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #79

Point taken and received. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #81

correct, forum rules Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #18

Liberal gun club. Nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #19

Platform (2012) PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #23

yep Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #38

+1000. eom. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #39

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you are most welcome. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #171

+1...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #49

Further proof (as if it were needed)..... Paladin Jan 2014 #16

It became difficult when the anti-gun forces... krispos42 Jan 2014 #84

Great post!!!!! Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #89

Not much point in pursuing this with you. Paladin Jan 2014 #101

I'm not an extreme RWer krispos42 Jan 2014 #122

I would'nt lump Phil Robertson in there Mopar151 Jan 2014 #132

Was and is Culture War, based on the threadbare "policy" of shame. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #106

Collateral Damage otohara Jan 2014 #231

Lets talk about "compromise". beevul Jan 2014 #289

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Its been going on since long before those you mentioned were alive. beevul Jan 2014 #299

Keep on believing I actually harbor those pretenses, if it makes you feel better. Paladin Jan 2014 #300

You may not, but your "movement" does. beevul Jan 2014 #301

Here's a link to a scan of the column, if anyone wants it: petronius Jan 2014 #17

The gun radicals are upset about that?! earthside Jan 2014 #51

I've owned firearms for over 50 years and have a carry permit. ... spin Jan 2014 #203

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I agree that 8 hours should be sufficient. (n/t) spin Jan 2014 #226

I think what may have gotten some people Jenoch Jan 2014 #263

The gun corporations are running the show.. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #21

You're right. But we are ALL idiots. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #97

For allowing the corporate bullying! You bet we are. Time to stand up. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #102

I'll join you. And I'll keep my guns. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #110

I agree, but at the same time, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #114

I agree Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #119

+1 Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #197

(This is worthy of a separate thread in itself.) Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #281

Perhaps...but I suspect it'd get locked in short order. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #283

What was this guy thinking? He didn't know to expect that they would set their hair on fire Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #22

I think he knew exactly what would happen. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #24

I think you are right. Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #28

At the end of the Times GP6971 Jan 2014 #82

The Blacklist is alive and well AngryAmish Jan 2014 #25

Gun nuts have zero interest in anything that limits the ability to kill - nt Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #26

Don't take away a gundamentalist's manhood extension. It's really not fun to see them Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2014 #29

Gutter, shmutter. QuestForSense Jan 2014 #48

Wow!!! Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #53

It's from the gutter. QuestForSense Jan 2014 #180

I don't think they are talking about rational gun owners. Only the nuts. Cold Dead Hands mode. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #219

That is the problem Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #225

I agree. I own guns and have a CC license. But know that guns cause problems.... Logical Jan 2014 #233

what is your definition of a "Gunadmentalists" Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #55

Gundamentalists? Mopar151 Jan 2014 #146

Before I moved to the Far East, I was a firearms owner Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2014 #272

Gun culture is a mental illness. 99Forever Jan 2014 #30

. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #33

Gun hypocrisy A Round Tuit Jan 2014 #34

I think the 2nd is the key- packman Jan 2014 #35

screw the courts then Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #44

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #104

There is no requirement that you be a member of a militia. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #66

Been there, done that... sarisataka Jan 2014 #241

did not even do that Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #244

Gun-fuckers are idiots. Iggo Jan 2014 #37

What's a gun fucker? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #40

no name calling Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #45

Ooops! Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #47

it does make an Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #50

A bit higher level then a El Shaman Jan 2014 #143

A extremely intelligent comment that really added to the discussion. ... spin Jan 2014 #237

Unfortunately, that's what happens when you cross the right/white wingers. Hoyt Jan 2014 #41

. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #42

But what about his First Amendment "Rights"? Tom Rinaldo Jan 2014 #43

Did congress pass a law to shut him up? pintobean Jan 2014 #63

I put certain words in quotes for a reason Tom Rinaldo Jan 2014 #98

I googled and can't find any law the Congress passed Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #68

You're kidding, correct? RC Jan 2014 #73

Correct. Tom Rinaldo Jan 2014 #90

Well, in that case... RC Jan 2014 #109

Here's what really leaps out at me stuarttman63 Jan 2014 #54

"rising tide of gun violence:" Have any links? Thanx. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #121

Yeah, ya know, screw the FBI UCR Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #125

The doctrinaire myths need constant repitition, esp. in GD. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #175

Until Skinner finally puts his foot down, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #178

Comparing this situation to communism is ridiculous. Jenoch Jan 2014 #267

So much for his 'freedom' of speech blackspade Jan 2014 #57

He has the right to express his opinion, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #64

My post apparently went over your head.... blackspade Jan 2014 #71

Ok, now I get it, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #80

So its a good thing Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #67

And you arrived at this conclusion how? blackspade Jan 2014 #75

yep Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #87

Sad fact is, 300 million guns wont go away even if they were all made illegal 7962 Jan 2014 #76

best to wait until there are 600 million. That will make the problem easier to deal with. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #86

Cats outta the bag, thats all I'm saying. 7962 Jan 2014 #129

Common sense gun laws is not equal to making 300 million guns illegal Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #148

Agreed. But advocacy of making them illegal isn't uncommon. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #154

I am unaware of any serious attempt to outlaw all guns Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #163

I wasn't referring to proposed legislation, etc. (obviously) Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #169

There is a difference... The gun nut extremists actually block laws... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #174

I disagree. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #177

If you think anyone that asks for CCW should have one, I see where you fall Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #185

Nice strawman. Does it keep crows away from your garden? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #188

I know what it means as well as how gun nuts want it to work Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #199

How can anyone have a gun if they ask Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #206

Because what we need is more people going around with guns... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #212

FYI on issue terminology Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #201

Done in by freedom-loving gun gulag guardians BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #78

What's a "gun gulag guardian"? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #83

I always love Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #99

I await with great anticipation for the new meme. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #111

You forget the 11th Commandment of Gun Culture: 99Forever Jan 2014 #112

And another deep thought from you. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #123

Not "deep" at all.... 99Forever Jan 2014 #133

"Not "deep" at all...." Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #142

I begin to suspect you of being an NRA plant. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #147

Now that you mention it..................................... Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #167

I suppose the death threats were something like rock Jan 2014 #107

That's sad. I was hoping it would blow over, TxDemChem Jan 2014 #108

I liked the NYT title, too, "Banished for Questioning the Gospel of Guns." deminks Jan 2014 #116

The Duck Dynasty parallels are unavoidable. Courtesy Flush Jan 2014 #124

Where is the Republican outrage over his right to free speech?...or does that only apply to ducks? world wide wally Jan 2014 #126

death threats. huh. I suppose they wanna shoot him. gun culture at its finest. KG Jan 2014 #127

Since you seem to be in charge of DU, and are now Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #130

go ahead but I will guess Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #141

He also outs alerters in public forums, despite Skinner having a problem with that. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #150

The nature of elitist politics: Operate among other elites. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #162

He did it again in post #92 pintobean Jan 2014 #170

So you started off in this thread with a personal attack against me in post 14. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #179

That was a personal attack pintobean Jan 2014 #195

I have seen that in ATA, Skinner wants alerters to be not identified Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #191

Yet the post in which WS does this very thing remains. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #194

hosts != mods. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #158

When it comes to guns, I get the two confused. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #166

If I may... sarisataka Jan 2014 #249

Where the discussion wanders off to does not really affect what an op is about. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #257

We agree in that... sarisataka Jan 2014 #268

Walt Kelly: El Shaman Jan 2014 #135

Attention Antonin Scalia!!! perdita9 Jan 2014 #136

Religious cult AlbertCat Jan 2014 #137

It sounds to me like he is beginning to see the light. CTyankee Jan 2014 #181

Gun owners need to know that they have a right to their opinion. gulliver Jan 2014 #168

unbelieveable... Deep13 Jan 2014 #173

These things happen. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #184

You mean Metcalf tried being sensible and the non-sensible gun nuts didn't like it? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #192

Wow. These threads really bring out the republicans, don't they? Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #196

. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #198

I thought you weren't going to reply to me any more? Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #217

They attract you. pintobean Jan 2014 #204

Gee I hope you alerted. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #211

Like flypaper! nt rdharma Jan 2014 #207

Care to name a few? Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #221

Against the rules. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #229

I would think you will be alerting Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #239

Just an observation. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #261

As I have said in the past: who voted with progressives in the Heller decision? CTyankee Jan 2014 #234

To the extreme gun owners, nothing can be rationally discussed. Right Wing nuts. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #213

The reverse also applies. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #218

Do you like the NRA? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #223

Nope, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #236

You sound rational to me. Gun Control does not work. But their motive I think is to stop people.... Logical Jan 2014 #238

MAIG, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #240

Mayors Against Illegal Guns Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #242

I am fine with a liberal gun group. The ones now are right wing idiots. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #243

Agreed nt Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #245

You didn't answer the question Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #296

correct Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #230

This message was self-deleted by its author Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #270

I think you meant to post this in the hosts forum. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #271

I sure did. Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #273

What's wrong with limits? leanforward Jan 2014 #284

Second Amendment is not an absolute right Gothmog Jan 2014 #298

kicking for oneshooter, who wants it hid Electric Monk Jan 2014 #302

:-) Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #303

Hmmm, looks like Oneshooter has another quesiton in AtA. I wonder what that's about? Electric Monk Jan 2014 #304