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203. I've owned firearms for over 50 years and have a carry permit. ...

Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:46 PM

Jan 2014

I consider myself to be a strong supporter of gun rights.

I found nothing in the column that Dick Metcalf wrote extremely objectionable. His argument is largely over the requirement that those who are licensed to carry a firearm in public have to attend a good class on firearm safety and the legal aspects of using a firearm for self defense.

It could be argued that such a class could be taught in less than 16 hours including time on the range to prove proficiency with a firearm. Still, I don't find this requirement overly oppressive.

I remember one concealed weapons class in Florida that was run by a prosecuting attorney. He started out his class by saying, "In this class I will teach you the basics of firearm safety but also the law in Florida as it applies to the use of lethal force. I suggest you listen carefully to the legal section because if you are changed with violations of the law I will be more than happy to prosecute you and send you to jail for a long time."

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Gun Writer is suddenly a pariah. [View all] Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 OP

k&r... spanone Jan 2014 #1

Wiped his ass with the Constitution! pocoloco Jan 2014 #27

Um, what? eggplant Jan 2014 #117

drunk so early? spanone Jan 2014 #220

Bush eliminated the 4th amendment so why not the 2nd? nt TeamPooka Jan 2014 #258

Gun nuts lose their shit when anyone reaches for their zipper. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #2

Apropos of nothing, the other day I mistook you for oneshooter, Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #5

Didn't see it. onehandle Jan 2014 #7

I'm waiting with bated breath truebluegreen Jan 2014 #3

I'll take that bate and double it. ananda Jan 2014 #13

go away, batin' AngryAmish Jan 2014 #20

I've always thought I'm a master Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #294

This is not a free speech issue. Jenoch Jan 2014 #254

Lord, lord, lord... truebluegreen Jan 2014 #255

Sarah Palin and her ilk don't even know what planet they're on, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #256

Best not bate your breath for too long... that leads to fainting and other nasty stuff. 1monster Jan 2014 #276

Imagine if he was edhopper Jan 2014 #4

Wish I could recommend a million times. Everyone needs to read about this. GreenEyedLefty Jan 2014 #6

It is time to remove the Second Amendment. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #8

While we are at it.. sendero Jan 2014 #9

"Hope and Change" baby, hope and change.... n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #10

You might be surprised.... paleotn Jan 2014 #52

Yeah, go ahead and hang your hat on that happening. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #60

Actually, if you look at demographics, we really should hang our hat on it, so to speak... CTyankee Jan 2014 #186

And yet. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #190

well, that's one poll of 846 adults nationwide... CTyankee Jan 2014 #200

another Poll: Support for strict gun control drops to pre-Newtown levels Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #202

"Only" 52%? CTyankee Jan 2014 #205

and some try and link all gun owners into the 8% Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #208

And therein lies the problem with the pro control movement. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #214

Yes, most people are not as wrought up on gun control as the pro movemen in this country. CTyankee Jan 2014 #227

You make a good point, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #232

A telephone poll, maybe. Other types of scientifically done anonymous polls is a different story... CTyankee Jan 2014 #235

I agree with you. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #93

I admire your naivete Android3.14 Jan 2014 #134

A feel bad for your lack of a vision for a better future. n/t PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #145

I could only support that vision... Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #183

True, it won't happen at all if no one envisions it treestar Jan 2014 #95

yep send it back to the states Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #103

Well then, y'all need to get right on it, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #105

Why would it? treestar Jan 2014 #113

Does the word "pipe dream" come to mind? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #118

Someday it could happen. treestar Jan 2014 #128

" someone will make a start" Why not you, or are you a keyboard commando? n/t oneshooter Jan 2014 #131

I might, in spite of the attempts to make it seem hopeless. treestar Jan 2014 #152

Talk is cheap. Grt on with it, or cower away. It's your decision. n/t oneshooter Jan 2014 #156

What do you mean cower away? treestar Jan 2014 #159

Even if a repeal of the 2nd Am happend, what do you suppose that would accomplish? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #144

It would make some regulation easier treestar Jan 2014 #153

Perhaps so. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #160

What about state constitutions? hack89 Jan 2014 #297

Slavery was also legal for a long time in this nation. Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #138

And slavery was an abomination, unlike firearms ownership. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #140

The comparison was that things today can change treestar Jan 2014 #157

I brought up constitutional legalities. You bring up deaths. Why is thar? Ikonoklast Jan 2014 #182

Not again! Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #187

"I am shocked." Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #193

The Third Amendment sarisataka Jan 2014 #222

You need to read this. Jenoch Jan 2014 #259

That's even worse Sgent Jan 2014 #250

How many should it be? Jenoch Jan 2014 #260

That's a different issue Sgent Jan 2014 #266

You need to read up on why The Constitution Jenoch Jan 2014 #269

I'm very familiar with history Sgent Jan 2014 #278

"...California has 65x the population of Wyoming." Jenoch Jan 2014 #279

I never said it would pass Sgent Jan 2014 #286

The point we disagree on that you think small Jenoch Jan 2014 #287

Urban areas. Jacksonville, Houston, Atlanta, SA, Dallas, Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #275

I think edhopper Jan 2014 #11

People constantly misread that, usually on purpose NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #46

So he opposed a draft as well edhopper Jan 2014 #151

Nice red herring. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #155

Meant that as a giggle and forgot the smiley edhopper Jan 2014 #164

You made assumptions, incorrect I may add, in the other post. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #172

I wasn't referring to you edhopper Jan 2014 #176

There has never been a single poll, pipoman Jan 2014 #12

Considering it takes 2/3 of both Houses of Congress and 3/4 of states Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #31

Actually, one more SC Justice like those who wrote Dissent in Heller will bring some sanity to Hoyt Jan 2014 #56

Yeah Hoyt, you just hang your hat on that happening. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #58

Right wingers overturned "settled law" in Heller. Hoyt Jan 2014 #62

Uhhh, no they didn't. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #65

McDonald v. Chicago Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #69

That too. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #74

"I really wish certain people would research before posting" Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #161

Very true, very true. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #165

You guys need to do research - Heller overturned precedent set in United States v. Miller, 1939. Hoyt Jan 2014 #210

As usual Hoyt, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #216

This message was self-deleted by its author Hoyt Jan 2014 #224

Considering these rulings affect my profession, I have to keep up Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #228

Yeah sure. Do your supervisors know you are a gun promoter? Hoyt Jan 2014 #246

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #247

Seriously, Renchamp, I don't alert on posts here and wouldn't call your sup. I'd delete that if I Hoyt Jan 2014 #251

#1. I'm not promoting guns, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #253

Can you link to a post Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #248

Here is the contact number for the immediate office I work out of. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #252

You keep talking about other people's fear and yet you remain in a constant Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #290

Ha. See if you find any signs of diversity at your favorite gun store, or Guns and Ammo in OP. Hoyt Jan 2014 #292

More racist lies. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #293

Gun woo? Now there's gun woo? Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #295

The old 'emotion' thingy eh? Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #189

*sigh* Another poster thinks that rights are *granted* by the bill of rights. X_Digger Jan 2014 #59

Don't they teach civics in schools anymore? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #61

I'm not sure that much is taught in schools today ... spin Jan 2014 #209

Uh? There is no pre-existing right to keep and bear arms. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #85

goes back as far as man Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #91

facepalm PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #94

Walk through an industrial farm's slaughter house in full production. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #139

Personally PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #149

You did not provide your Thoughts on the fact Jenoch Jan 2014 #262

They need to go to PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #264

As long as you're not asking for much... Jenoch Jan 2014 #265

You don't carry a weapon... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #274

You are wrong. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #280

You are adorable... Lost_Count Jan 2014 #285

Various court cases in the 18th and 19th centuries. X_Digger Jan 2014 #96

Aren't the state National Guard essentially a "well regulated militia" CanonRay Jan 2014 #115

Who supplies the weapons they use for training and when they get deployed? PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #120

44 states also have 2A rights in their state constitutions NickB79 Jan 2014 #288

That's kinda like pintobean Jan 2014 #14

It is about journalism and politics. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #15

Is that what you're shoveling pintobean Jan 2014 #32

Running today in both the NYT and the Boston Globe. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #70

My "precious gunz"? pintobean Jan 2014 #88

The times sold the globe and never had editorial control. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #92

Please delete that. Union Scribe Jan 2014 #277

Not to mention, he proceeds to vote on an alert on his own thread. X_Digger Jan 2014 #282

" It is about journalism and politics." Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #36

Gun manufacturers are not the "pro 2A movement", or are they? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #72

They're about making a profit and satisfying their investors, stock holders, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #77

Right, so this is primarily about corporate control of media and the squelching of dissent Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #79

Point taken and received. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #81

correct, forum rules Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #18

Liberal gun club. Nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #19

Platform (2012) PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #23

yep Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #38

+1000. eom. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #39

I fully support this GD host, there are many on DU who support discussions of guns in GD Bjorn Against Jan 2014 #100

you are most welcome. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #171

+1...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #49

Further proof (as if it were needed)..... Paladin Jan 2014 #16

It became difficult when the anti-gun forces... krispos42 Jan 2014 #84

Great post!!!!! Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #89

Not much point in pursuing this with you. Paladin Jan 2014 #101

I'm not an extreme RWer krispos42 Jan 2014 #122

I would'nt lump Phil Robertson in there Mopar151 Jan 2014 #132

Was and is Culture War, based on the threadbare "policy" of shame. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #106

Collateral Damage otohara Jan 2014 #231

Lets talk about "compromise". beevul Jan 2014 #289

Yeah, we're all teary-eyed about the sacrifices of the pro-gun movement. Paladin Jan 2014 #291

Its been going on since long before those you mentioned were alive. beevul Jan 2014 #299

Keep on believing I actually harbor those pretenses, if it makes you feel better. Paladin Jan 2014 #300

You may not, but your "movement" does. beevul Jan 2014 #301

Here's a link to a scan of the column, if anyone wants it: petronius Jan 2014 #17

The gun radicals are upset about that?! earthside Jan 2014 #51

I've owned firearms for over 50 years and have a carry permit. ... spin Jan 2014 #203

Yep Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #215

I agree that 8 hours should be sufficient. (n/t) spin Jan 2014 #226

I think what may have gotten some people Jenoch Jan 2014 #263

The gun corporations are running the show.. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #21

You're right. But we are ALL idiots. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #97

For allowing the corporate bullying! You bet we are. Time to stand up. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #102

I'll join you. And I'll keep my guns. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #110

I agree, but at the same time, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #114

I agree Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #119

+1 Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #197

(This is worthy of a separate thread in itself.) Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #281

Perhaps...but I suspect it'd get locked in short order. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #283

What was this guy thinking? He didn't know to expect that they would set their hair on fire Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #22

I think he knew exactly what would happen. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #24

I think you are right. Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #28

At the end of the Times GP6971 Jan 2014 #82

The Blacklist is alive and well AngryAmish Jan 2014 #25

Gun nuts have zero interest in anything that limits the ability to kill - nt Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #26

Don't take away a gundamentalist's manhood extension. It's really not fun to see them Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2014 #29

Gutter, shmutter. QuestForSense Jan 2014 #48

Wow!!! Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #53

It's from the gutter. QuestForSense Jan 2014 #180

I don't think they are talking about rational gun owners. Only the nuts. Cold Dead Hands mode. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #219

That is the problem Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #225

I agree. I own guns and have a CC license. But know that guns cause problems.... Logical Jan 2014 #233

what is your definition of a "Gunadmentalists" Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #55

Gundamentalists? Mopar151 Jan 2014 #146

Before I moved to the Far East, I was a firearms owner Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2014 #272

Gun culture is a mental illness. 99Forever Jan 2014 #30

. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #33

Gun hypocrisy A Round Tuit Jan 2014 #34

I think the 2nd is the key- packman Jan 2014 #35

screw the courts then Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #44

Post removed Post removed Jan 2014 #104

There is no requirement that you be a member of a militia. NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #66

Been there, done that... sarisataka Jan 2014 #241

did not even do that Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #244

Gun-fuckers are idiots. Iggo Jan 2014 #37

What's a gun fucker? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #40

no name calling Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #45

Ooops! Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #47

it does make an Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #50

A bit higher level then a El Shaman Jan 2014 #143

A extremely intelligent comment that really added to the discussion. ... spin Jan 2014 #237

Unfortunately, that's what happens when you cross the right/white wingers. Hoyt Jan 2014 #41

. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #42

But what about his First Amendment "Rights"? Tom Rinaldo Jan 2014 #43

Did congress pass a law to shut him up? pintobean Jan 2014 #63

I put certain words in quotes for a reason Tom Rinaldo Jan 2014 #98

I googled and can't find any law the Congress passed Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #68

You're kidding, correct? RC Jan 2014 #73

Correct. Tom Rinaldo Jan 2014 #90

Well, in that case... RC Jan 2014 #109

Here's what really leaps out at me stuarttman63 Jan 2014 #54

"rising tide of gun violence:" Have any links? Thanx. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #121

Yeah, ya know, screw the FBI UCR Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #125

The doctrinaire myths need constant repitition, esp. in GD. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #175

Until Skinner finally puts his foot down, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #178

Comparing this situation to communism is ridiculous. Jenoch Jan 2014 #267

So much for his 'freedom' of speech blackspade Jan 2014 #57

He has the right to express his opinion, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #64

My post apparently went over your head.... blackspade Jan 2014 #71

Ok, now I get it, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #80

So its a good thing Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #67

And you arrived at this conclusion how? blackspade Jan 2014 #75

yep Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #87

Sad fact is, 300 million guns wont go away even if they were all made illegal 7962 Jan 2014 #76

best to wait until there are 600 million. That will make the problem easier to deal with. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #86

Cats outta the bag, thats all I'm saying. 7962 Jan 2014 #129

Common sense gun laws is not equal to making 300 million guns illegal Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #148

Agreed. But advocacy of making them illegal isn't uncommon. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #154

I am unaware of any serious attempt to outlaw all guns Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #163

I wasn't referring to proposed legislation, etc. (obviously) Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #169

There is a difference... The gun nut extremists actually block laws... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #174

I disagree. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #177

If you think anyone that asks for CCW should have one, I see where you fall Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #185

Nice strawman. Does it keep crows away from your garden? Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #188

I know what it means as well as how gun nuts want it to work Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #199

How can anyone have a gun if they ask Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #206

Because what we need is more people going around with guns... Ohio Joe Jan 2014 #212

FYI on issue terminology Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #201

Done in by freedom-loving gun gulag guardians BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #78

What's a "gun gulag guardian"? Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #83

I always love Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #99

I await with great anticipation for the new meme. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #111

You forget the 11th Commandment of Gun Culture: 99Forever Jan 2014 #112

And another deep thought from you. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #123

Not "deep" at all.... 99Forever Jan 2014 #133

"Not "deep" at all...." Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #142

I begin to suspect you of being an NRA plant. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #147

Now that you mention it..................................... Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #167

I suppose the death threats were something like rock Jan 2014 #107

That's sad. I was hoping it would blow over, TxDemChem Jan 2014 #108

I liked the NYT title, too, "Banished for Questioning the Gospel of Guns." deminks Jan 2014 #116

The Duck Dynasty parallels are unavoidable. Courtesy Flush Jan 2014 #124

Where is the Republican outrage over his right to free speech?...or does that only apply to ducks? world wide wally Jan 2014 #126

death threats. huh. I suppose they wanna shoot him. gun culture at its finest. KG Jan 2014 #127

Since you seem to be in charge of DU, and are now Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #130

go ahead but I will guess Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #141

He also outs alerters in public forums, despite Skinner having a problem with that. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #150

The nature of elitist politics: Operate among other elites. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #162

He did it again in post #92 pintobean Jan 2014 #170

So you started off in this thread with a personal attack against me in post 14. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #179

That was a personal attack pintobean Jan 2014 #195

I have seen that in ATA, Skinner wants alerters to be not identified Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #191

Yet the post in which WS does this very thing remains. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2014 #194

hosts != mods. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #158

When it comes to guns, I get the two confused. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #166

If I may... sarisataka Jan 2014 #249

Where the discussion wanders off to does not really affect what an op is about. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #257

We agree in that... sarisataka Jan 2014 #268

Walt Kelly: El Shaman Jan 2014 #135

Attention Antonin Scalia!!! perdita9 Jan 2014 #136

Religious cult AlbertCat Jan 2014 #137

It sounds to me like he is beginning to see the light. CTyankee Jan 2014 #181

Gun owners need to know that they have a right to their opinion. gulliver Jan 2014 #168

unbelieveable... Deep13 Jan 2014 #173

These things happen. aikoaiko Jan 2014 #184

You mean Metcalf tried being sensible and the non-sensible gun nuts didn't like it? Vashta Nerada Jan 2014 #192

Wow. These threads really bring out the republicans, don't they? Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #196

. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #198

I thought you weren't going to reply to me any more? Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #217

They attract you. pintobean Jan 2014 #204

Gee I hope you alerted. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #211

Like flypaper! nt rdharma Jan 2014 #207

Care to name a few? Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #221

Against the rules. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #229

I would think you will be alerting Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #239

Just an observation. Kingofalldems Jan 2014 #261

As I have said in the past: who voted with progressives in the Heller decision? CTyankee Jan 2014 #234

To the extreme gun owners, nothing can be rationally discussed. Right Wing nuts. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #213

The reverse also applies. Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #218

Do you like the NRA? n-t Logical Jan 2014 #223

Nope, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #236

You sound rational to me. Gun Control does not work. But their motive I think is to stop people.... Logical Jan 2014 #238

MAIG, Ranchemp. Jan 2014 #240

Mayors Against Illegal Guns Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #242

I am fine with a liberal gun group. The ones now are right wing idiots. n-t Logical Jan 2014 #243

Agreed nt Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #245

You didn't answer the question Packerowner740 Jan 2014 #296

correct Duckhunter935 Jan 2014 #230

This message was self-deleted by its author Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #270

I think you meant to post this in the hosts forum. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #271

I sure did. Baitball Blogger Jan 2014 #273

What's wrong with limits? leanforward Jan 2014 #284

Second Amendment is not an absolute right Gothmog Jan 2014 #298

kicking for oneshooter, who wants it hid Electric Monk Jan 2014 #302

:-) Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #303

Hmmm, looks like Oneshooter has another quesiton in AtA. I wonder what that's about? Electric Monk Jan 2014 #304